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<blockquote data-quote="blr_p" data-source="post: 2522433" data-attributes="member: 10952"><p>Too much effort required and EVM is a red herring that everybody gets distracted with</p><p></p><p>Now this is a more interesting angle. Stalin said elections were all about who does the counting.</p><p></p><p>What are the minimum amount of votes needed to make a candidate win or a competitor lose.</p><p></p><p>The difference depends on the election. A city council election would have less difference but at the state and national level it could be tens of thousands if not more.</p><p></p><p>So let's say you can fix whomever. Still takes many winners for a party to enter office. Again city, state or national election.</p><p></p><p>The larger the electorate the harder it is to pull off just because more people would be required to cooperate and keep quiet.</p><p></p><p>So if you win at the state level what about national. More states have to be won. Can you see how doing this becomes geometrically harder and one leak will burst the whole dam.</p><p></p><p>No doubt if there is a will there is a way but the technology just adds too many roadblocks compared to previous paper ballots. And this is the bit that is not appreciated. It doesnt take mil spec equipment to ensure things are secure just adding layers of complexity from cheap off the shelf hardware does the job.</p><p></p><p>How to get away with it. The numbers have to be made public and there are any manner of statistical techniques that can be used to examine if the numbers are naturally occurring or fake. This btw is how income tax depts catch fake returns.</p><p></p><p>If people are suspicious then maybe examine data of past elections nation,state wide etc and see if anything dodgy comes up. This then gives a clue, as to where if any fraud is occurring.</p><p></p><p>This will be more productive than beating dead horse EVM argument. So it's not about technological risk but System risk.</p><p></p><p>The one thing I notice with India. There are eyes EVERYWHERE</p><p></p><p>Disclaimer : I have a history on this board of zealously defending EVMs going back to 2008.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="blr_p, post: 2522433, member: 10952"] Too much effort required and EVM is a red herring that everybody gets distracted with Now this is a more interesting angle. Stalin said elections were all about who does the counting. What are the minimum amount of votes needed to make a candidate win or a competitor lose. The difference depends on the election. A city council election would have less difference but at the state and national level it could be tens of thousands if not more. So let's say you can fix whomever. Still takes many winners for a party to enter office. Again city, state or national election. The larger the electorate the harder it is to pull off just because more people would be required to cooperate and keep quiet. So if you win at the state level what about national. More states have to be won. Can you see how doing this becomes geometrically harder and one leak will burst the whole dam. No doubt if there is a will there is a way but the technology just adds too many roadblocks compared to previous paper ballots. And this is the bit that is not appreciated. It doesnt take mil spec equipment to ensure things are secure just adding layers of complexity from cheap off the shelf hardware does the job. How to get away with it. The numbers have to be made public and there are any manner of statistical techniques that can be used to examine if the numbers are naturally occurring or fake. This btw is how income tax depts catch fake returns. If people are suspicious then maybe examine data of past elections nation,state wide etc and see if anything dodgy comes up. This then gives a clue, as to where if any fraud is occurring. This will be more productive than beating dead horse EVM argument. So it's not about technological risk but System risk. The one thing I notice with India. There are eyes EVERYWHERE Disclaimer : I have a history on this board of zealously defending EVMs going back to 2008. [/QUOTE]
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