Boycotting chinese products - Atmanirbhar bharat

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Anyone who is against this initiative will be termed as unpatriotic anti national.

Start with chinese apps. India has made tiktok a 100 billion $ company. Why?
Our population is our assets it should be weaponized. Lets show them our real power.
Boycotting chinese hardware will take time but we must start today.



 
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Not like this tho
 
I will keep counting how many people are against national interest. Lets start - 1


You remember 2017? History repeats itself in 2020. It will happen in future guarantee. Maybe a real war.
If we don't take action now its game over.
 
Dude, if you want people to stop using chinese products, be positive and not negative. Support and praise the people who use products from our own country,instead of just focusing on giving names to people who don't. You want people to say "Hey this is good for my country" not because "Hell if i don't do this, someone on facebook might call me anti indian".
 
If you think you're going to find supporters for a silly cause like this on a tech forum, you're highly mistaken.
Only an ignorant person reading fake nationalistic whatsapp forwards without applying a bit of thought will support this illogical nonsense.

China has had over 40 years to develop proper supply chains for each and every component in cities like Shenzhen which makes them unbeatable in efficiency and skilled labour.
They also have the advantage of having rare earth mineral deposits which are required to build a lot of those components.

Instead of this you should try to get people to rally behind better governance, improvement of infrastructure, improving educational institutions, removal of red tape bureaucracy, corruption, bribery, etc which will automatically result in a strong manufacturing base.
Until that happens you are free to use an I-Ball case, Circle keyboard, Intex mouse, Zebronics headset, Micromax TV as a monitor while browsing Swarajyamag on your Lava smartphone, all of which are just cheap rebadged Chinese trash.
 
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I will give up my Chinese phone if our 56" gives up his foreign vehicle for travel and starts using "Ambassador". That would be true Atmanirbharta!! Ask why... He will have to revive industry called HM(Hindustan Motors) which will generate jobs and bring self reliance.
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Something worth for the misread and misinformed janta.... Bahut aage ki sooch hai.

 
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These are my own view points. Not a BJP/Congress/Etc supporter.

Indian companies use licensed foreign stuff and then complain of international companies eating their turf. Govt and companies here don't want to spend money on R&D to make our own. @psyph3r above said "China has had over 40 years to develop proper supply chains for each and every component in cities". India got that same time period too. Indian govt spent that time looting people and still are looting people now. There were companies like CocaCola, Pepsi etc who had put money into India and were forced to return back after Indian govt took control of their plants in one such wave of patriotism. Even Tatas who had their own private airline were forced to give it to govt - Air India. Look at the shit that company is in now. Leave Indian govt aside. What were Indian companies doing then? They were busy buying licenses from foreign companies and making duplicate copies here without even trying to find out how things worked.

Japan, China went through such hard times like us. Difference between them and us is they took time and effort to learn how to do those things better than the company making them. China is known for spying and stealing stuff from every country and making their own stuff for their consumption. At least they are learning. Indians are content buying and leasing stuff from outside and staying lazy as always. Plus govt likes to tax and make manufacturing even harder than other countries. Why would anyone do anything here when the corrupt govt will give orders to other countries or to select people based on the amount of kickbacks they get? Govt itself killed local manufacturing here. They didn't give a rat's ass to patriotism and kept making it harder and harder for companies to sustain. When making things locally became cost prohibitive, companies started to import stuff from China, Japan, USA etc. Those countries subsidise exports a lot. China even makes shipping free for exports. Europe subsidises growing wheat, etc so much that the wheat costs less than the amount of money to grow them. Don't be surprised if European wheat comes into our markets and drive out Indian farmers.

Look at what our govt is doing. Busy hating on each other internally and playing death games where each party kills common people depending on who is in power. Yeah, try all you want, nothing is happening in India for another 100+ years. We will always be such a useless country. We are never going to be a world power or anything. We just don't have that mindset to be like that.
 
Show your real power on the border.
Dont come back with lame nehru excuse, present govt has not increased military budget last 6 years. Maybe some token hike. Also, dont @ me with cong scams or stuff like that.
 
Dont come back with lame nehru excuse, present govt has not increased military budget last 6 years. Maybe some token hike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_India

2017-18[edit]
Union Minister for Finance Arun Jaitley allocated 359,000 crore (equivalent to ₹4.1 trillion or US$57 billion in 2019) of the 2017 Union budget of India for development in the Indian armed forces, marking a raise of around 7 per cent from the previous fiscal year.[4]

2018-19[edit]
In presenting the Defense Budget of 2018-19 Finance Minister allocated ₹404,365 crore (US$57 billion) for Ministry of Defense (MOD).[5]This translates into an increase of 5.66% over 2017-18 defence budget.

2019-20[edit]
As 2019 was an election year the NDA government presented an interim budget in place of a regular budget as per the general practice. In the interim budget an allocation of ₹431,011 crores (US$61.573 billion) was made[6]. On its reelection the NDA government kept the military budget unchanged. However the actual expenditure exceeded the estimated amount and final spending of defence for 2019-20 stood at ₹448,820 crores (US$62.71 Billions).[7] So there was an increase of around 10% with respect to previous budget.

2020-21[edit]
On 1 February 2020, the Finance Minister of India, Nirmala Sitharaman presented the budget. The allocation for defence during the fiscal year 2020-21 stood at ₹471,378 crores (US$65.86 Billions).[7]This amounted to an increase of just under 7%.


5 +% increase per year is not token amount.

Straight from govt mouth in 2019 if you don't believe wikipedia
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ELHI: Government on Wednesdayh,-17 to 2019-20.

NEW DELHI: Government on Wednesdayh said in the Lok Sabha that defence expenditure is increasing every year in absolute terms showing an increase of Rs. 90,089 crore over a period of three years from 2016-17 to 2019-20.

"Measuring defence expenditure as a percentage of GDP creates an illusion of declined spending by ignoring the size of the Economy. If the economy grows at a faster rate, spending decreases as a percentage of GDP, but it does not mean that the level of spending has fallen or has become inadequate," the Minister of State for Defence Shripad Naik said in a written reply in the Lok Sabha.
 
Anyone who is against this initiative will be termed as unpatriotic anti national.

Start with chinese apps. India has made tiktok a 100 billion $ company. Why?
Our population is our assets it should be weaponized. Lets show them our real power.
Boycotting chinese hardware will take time but we must start today.




Please give us the make of your mobile phone and list of apps on it. List out your electrical and electronics items. Prove to us that you practice what you are preach.
 
I do think post covid and the current situation with the chinese being a bully to carve land from india and claim the entire south china sea, does make me rethink on purchasing chinese stuff, I used to buy a lot from chinese e commerce sites, recieved a package just today.

Things I would avoid are chinese owned company products, its impossible to avoid made in china products but you can still stop buying chinese owned ones. Examples of major chinese brands in india Vivo, oppo, realme, one plus all owned by BBK china, Xiaomi etc. Get back to using samsung,lg, sony (they may be still made in prc, which can be changed by tariffs by US and India) but its a start.

As the governmnet increases duties on phones and ready made phone parts, slowly manufactures are now making pcb in india, next step would be the componenets that go into the pcb, which can be substituted with taiwan, japanese and korean and even indian components. We lost all those capacitor, resistor making indian companies due to chinese imports.

Hand tools, power tools, agricultural equipment in SP road are now flooded with chinese imports.

Frauds like Okinawa scooters, Hero electric put themself in make in india badge. But one of them dont even have a paint booth, they just import them as ckd, skd. These companies should not get the EV subsidy, okinawa scooter MD even lies thats its Japanese.

For everything be it in the military, civilian and space we need our own electronic component industry.

US is now forcing apple, intel etc to relocate back to US soil by tariffs. The same can be done here too, its already working in mobile sector, automobile, clothing sector.


In the miliary field, India is already making missile seekers, AESA radars(still a decade behind PRC) Where india is severly lacking is UAV, related comms, thermal vision sensors, where we are atleast 15 years behind. Even the paks have more UAV.

We are two to three decades behind PRC in aircraft engines be it turbo fan, turbo prop/shaft and even rotary piston engine.

We are about a decade behind in rocket motors for missiles compared to PRC.

But one thing for sure is the current government is modernizing the military which the congress stagnated. When you have such nincompoop like AK anthony who knows jack squat about military as a defense minister under congress for 10 years, you only have to listen to his press conference event in bangalore to know what I mean, such a disgrace.
 
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What about stopping investments ?

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Counter productive, IMO. Besides, it could set a bad precedent to other investors and hurting EDB. They could drag India to international courts if their investments are discriminated(goes against MIGA). In simple perspective, it would kill majority of startups.

This could be an option as a measure of last resort but not now.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_India

2017-18[edit]
Union Minister for Finance Arun Jaitley allocated 359,000 crore (equivalent to ₹4.1 trillion or US$57 billion in 2019) of the 2017 Union budget of India for development in the Indian armed forces, marking a raise of around 7 per cent from the previous fiscal year.[4]

2018-19[edit]
In presenting the Defense Budget of 2018-19 Finance Minister allocated ₹404,365 crore (US$57 billion) for Ministry of Defense (MOD).[5]This translates into an increase of 5.66% over 2017-18 defence budget.

2019-20[edit]
As 2019 was an election year the NDA government presented an interim budget in place of a regular budget as per the general practice. In the interim budget an allocation of ₹431,011 crores (US$61.573 billion) was made[6]. On its reelection the NDA government kept the military budget unchanged. However the actual expenditure exceeded the estimated amount and final spending of defence for 2019-20 stood at ₹448,820 crores (US$62.71 Billions).[7] So there was an increase of around 10% with respect to previous budget.

2020-21[edit]
On 1 February 2020, the Finance Minister of India, Nirmala Sitharaman presented the budget. The allocation for defence during the fiscal year 2020-21 stood at ₹471,378 crores (US$65.86 Billions).[7]This amounted to an increase of just under 7%.


5 +% increase per year is not token amount.

Straight from govt mouth in 2019 if you don't believe wikipedia
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/defence-expenditure-is-increasing-every-year-in-absolute-terms-shripad-naik/articleshow/70361523.cms?from=mdr#:~:text=NEW DELHI: Government on Wednesdayh,-17 to 2019-20.

You are not taking in account inflation. as a % of GDP, kindly see if it has increased or decreased. You must also take into account whats the budgetary allocation ,. how much was spent on pensions and how much for equipments
 
One can never have a binary transition from 0 -> 1 vis-a-vis foreign vs local made products. What we should look at is what the socio-economic action have been put in place.

We rode on IT boom for too long. And just as a typical culture practice (of lets keep it, someday it might come handy), we do not want to move on. The country really need to boost manufacturing and also generate demand.

Make in India was a one sided affair where the entire onus was on the entrepreneurs. The govt missed to boost demand. If people do not have capacity to purchase, manufacturing will also not be able to deliver quality products. That's why we are still stuck with extremes ends vis-a-vis quality and price.

But in my opinion all these announcements are just gimmicks.
It is interesting to think that despite such a huge population and a wider intellect probability, why so few successful startups. All because of the kings ... the top families who own humongous market share and their predatory tactics. The income disparity is our country is shameful too.

In order to get the next boom, we need to fix a lot of things at multiple fronts
  • Provide a boost to manufacturing and agriculture
  • Implement UBI for those without work
  • Implement technology in everything possible. Get over the paper age
  • Cut Red tapism
  • Transparency and Accountability - This is where they fail everytime .. both as an institution as well as humans
As @Rezep rightly said .. think and do positive and one will automatically see a shift.
Unfortunately the baby boomers up to millennial are just gossip mongers who find solace in being critique. All hopes lies with the new gen ...
 
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We rode on IT boom for too long. And just as a typical culture practice (of lets keep it, someday it might come handy), we do not want to move on. The country really need to boost manufacturing and also generate demand
Agreed on IT Boom but how many IT companies really have their products - we have Ola when World has Uber and so on (or in other cases, we bought the foreign companies who made products and later convert them into service or destroy them in the process of conversion). Point is we believed in imitating (using a better word - as we are not China for copying through spying and other means); This impacted our ability to build products and services for our own people with which they can be benefited (read in terms of financially, socially).

I do see the demand for tailored services where we could help a lot of citizens (imagine old age people go through to get their money/pension out of Banks or proof of life certificate) - we could build many such services (especially when we have more than 51 Lakh pensioners in India - source), Make In India doesn't have to be a product - it could be indigenous service too and this way we could be Aatmanirbhar. If declaring the beneficial policies for the people is the only thing then BJP and Congress are not different - they just made the policies but had they provided any implementation plan - it would have been great.

And this is just an example, we could do so many things.
 
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