"Freedom 251," World's cheapest smartphone launched in India for 251rs.

ssslayer

Well-Known Member
Adept
Jun 30, 2006
429
136
131
Pune
I don't see why people are bothering to support this scam? Is is out of same old silly sentiments like nationalism and patriotism or it is just greed and false hopes of getting something dirt cheap?

This guy say that he plans to sell 50 Lac units. Assuming that he does get that many orders

50,00,000 x 291 = 145,50,00,000

At the rate each unit is expected to cost, this guy would have to incur a loss of over 1000 crore to sell 50 lac units. Do people really think that this guy or his investors are going to incur that kind of loss?
I will tell you what will happen.
The guy will run away with Rs. 145 crores.
That's it.

Classic snake oil strategy.
 

cellar_door

Well-Known Member
Adept
May 14, 2007
341
193
132
So this phone was launched in a "Make in India" event. Embarrassing.
Didn't any government official confirm/verify the company/product before simply promoting it in the programme? To the people behind the phone please be trolls please be trolls. Its not only about the price but the product itself. Questions should've been raised by the govt. side. Was it an original or rebranded? Was it really made in India or assembled even? Why was the Adcom branding on the phone whitened out?
Keep in mind that the whole event was widely telecasted. I bet all the major tech sites in the world are covering the launch and digging for more infos. I mean the product was not even in a "Beta" phase for ****'s sake. It was a ****ing rebranded phone. Humiliation not only for the government but also the people.
This whole "Make in India" is turning out to be joke. Right from the logo. Sham. Carelessly done is what i will say. Too gullible.

/Rant ends.

I wasn't aware of it. But in my defence mine had the real infos warranted enough for an OP thread. :p
Its basically advertisement for the governments initiative.

They have already generated massive buzz. Most likely they will make 5000 copies. Sell them. And then no one will remember it exists. Like that super cheap tablet that was there a couple of years or so ago. Or the super cheap laptop for students that was there a few years before that.
 

PHOENiX117

Well-Known Member
Veteran
Oct 30, 2015
1,031
293
96
Again asking Anyone managed a order

Website is up n updated now
It takes me to a white page
 

iPwnz

Brutally Honest
Veteran
Nov 30, 2011
2,337
537
152
Pandora
www.therealkai.wordpress.com
Its basically advertisement for the governments initiative.

They have already generated massive buzz. Most likely they will make 5000 copies. Sell them. And then no one will remember it exists. Like that super cheap tablet that was there a couple of years or so ago. Or the super cheap laptop for students that was there a few years before that.
That I'm aware of but my question is why is the govt. resorting to that stupid move? Cant they genuinely do something about it? All i see in the media is investment investment and even more investment...without the friggin' product!
Regarding the phone in question I don't think the company could've done it without some form of the govt's backing or protection or some shit, which leads me to think why the govt. endorsed such a gimmicky product. If it was released in some other private event the issue wouldn't be as bad and people would simply pass it off but it had to take place in a fancy "Make in India" event when it's not even made here. And now i can see some reports doing the rounds that the "govt. is keeping a close watch on the issue" because of all the controversial buzz in the social media, i mean like wtf? You need people on facebook and twitter to tell you that you screwed up? We now know that the govt. had no idea what it was doing and what it is doing.
Personally I'm all in for genuinely Made in India products, but I just don't want the govt. to think that the people so stupid as to fall for cheap tricks or gimmicks.
 

blr_p

Well-Known Member
Veteran
Apr 11, 2007
5,960
1,267
301
A lot of people who ordered the Akash tablet by paying 1500/.- didn't get them in the end. This looks similar, If 1 Lac people order it at 251, they already make 2.5 crore. They will ship to a few people and skimp on the rest. How many people will go though the hassle of taking them to courts in India for a mere 251 Rs.
heh, this is what happens on indiegogo & kickstarter. 4 months can slip and one can get an email saying we need some more funds.

Here is an example.

http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/01/jolla-confirms-the-sailfish-tablet-is-dead/

People paid much more than Rs.500 for that. And no, there isn't any legal recourse because you're not paying for a product but a damn concept (!)
 

kushall

Well-Known Member
Disciple
Dec 31, 2006
45
8
61
Life has thought me a crucial lesson. It's not true if it's too good to be true. A 8 GB memory card costs around 251 Rs, an Android USB cable costs 251 Rs, a Charger costs around 251. No way i'll get a phone for 251.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mh09ad5578

i_rock098

Active Member
Disciple
Jul 18, 2011
185
54
41
32
Just a clarification on the subject, the phone manufacturers have admitted that the government is in no way involved with this phone and is not giving it any tax subsidies.

I feel we Indians have a habit of blaming everything on the government. it's cold today, government is to blame. Cat crossed my path government is to blame. I got low marks in exam, government is to blame. Sallu bahi is not getting married, government is to blame.
 

iPwnz

Brutally Honest
Veteran
Nov 30, 2011
2,337
537
152
Pandora
www.therealkai.wordpress.com
Just a clarification on the subject, the phone manufacturers have admitted that the government is in no way involved with this phone and is not giving it any tax subsidies.
The govt. may not be directly involved in the "production" of this phone but as reported a zillion times already the phone was "promoted" in a "Make in India" event.
No one gets to launch a product/company/whatever in an event without the knowledge or permission of the organizer. This event happened to be a govt.-initiative. So the govt. had to know about the phone even though its a gimmick. A proper organizer wouldn't let such a very silly mistake tarnish its image. But no proper care was taken here. Else the phone/company would've never made it into the programme. So yes this thing has the govt.'s touch even though not directly.
Secondly you're wrong about the tax subsidy. "Make in India" product/company including startups have tax subsidies. Why else would the govt. promote it in the first place and why would someone make something here when it can be made cheaper in China?
 

i_rock098

Active Member
Disciple
Jul 18, 2011
185
54
41
32
The govt. may not be directly involved in the "production" of this phone but as reported a zillion times already the phone was "promoted" in a "Make in India" event.
No one gets to launch a product/company/whatever in an event without the knowledge or permission of the organizer. This event happened to be a govt.-initiative. So the govt. had to know about the phone even though its a gimmick. A proper organizer wouldn't let such a very silly mistake tarnish its image. But no proper care was taken here. Else the phone/company would've never made it into the programme. So yes this thing has the govt.'s touch even though not directly.
Secondly you're wrong about the tax subsidy. "Make in India" product/company including startups have tax subsidies. Why else would the govt. promote it in the first place and why would someone make something here when it can be made cheaper in China?
Thirdly you are wrong

Last night, Ashok Chadha, President, Ringing Bells took to answering media questions post the launch event and also explained how the company plans to achieve this low price point, and ‘still’ manage to sustain. Firstly, he cleared the air about subsidy by saying there is no government subsidy involved, but the company plans to benefit from economies of scale.

http://m.tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/heres-why-the-freedom-251-costs-just-rs-251-300016.html
 

iPwnz

Brutally Honest
Veteran
Nov 30, 2011
2,337
537
152
Pandora
www.therealkai.wordpress.com
Thirdly you are wrong

Last night, Ashok Chadha, President, Ringing Bells took to answering media questions post the launch event and also explained how the company plans to achieve this low price point, and ‘still’ manage to sustain. Firstly, he cleared the air about subsidy by saying there is no government subsidy involved, but the company plans to benefit from economies of scale.

http://m.tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/heres-why-the-freedom-251-costs-just-rs-251-300016.html
LOL I hope you realized that the so-called "world's cheapest phone" is just a rebranded phone so its actually not "made in India"=no subsidy. Get it?
Did you even read the news? Do me a favor and read the whole thread.
Economies of scale my ass. They don't even have a working prototype. Using another company's phone with the original logo hidden with a whitener is not a product in "Beta" stage.
 

i_rock098

Active Member
Disciple
Jul 18, 2011
185
54
41
32
LOL I hope you realized that the so-called "world's cheapest phone" is just a rebranded phone so its actually not "made in India"=no subsidy. Get it?
Did you even read the news? Do me a favor and read the whole thread.
Economies of scale my ass. They don't even have a working prototype. Using another company's phone with the original logo hidden with a whitener is not a product in "Beta" stage.
Do you even get off your high horse to read what I wrote in the first post? I said this particular phone is not getting any tax subsidies. Next time read before writing.
 

blr_p

Well-Known Member
Veteran
Apr 11, 2007
5,960
1,267
301
Doesn't Kickstarter refund back the money to their backers for failed projects? o_O
Think of it like the stock market. You put it only what you can afford to lose.

Then dream :)
 

iPwnz

Brutally Honest
Veteran
Nov 30, 2011
2,337
537
152
Pandora
www.therealkai.wordpress.com
Do you even get off your high horse to read what I wrote in the first post? I said this particular phone is not getting any tax subsidies. Next time read before writing.
Sigh. Oh I'm sorry i have neither a horse nor am I high. I was only trying to correct a misinformed member who seemed to have misinterpeted what others said. I wonder if you yourself even understood what you posted or even cared to read what others have posted in the thread.
Your example of blaming everything on the govt. when we only talk about a flopped and gimmicky product here validates my point so nothing will be able to beat sense into you. So have a good evening.[DOUBLEPOST=1455990011][/DOUBLEPOST]
Think of it like the stock market. You put it only what you can afford to lose.

Then dream :)
Ya I understand the stock market but I didn't know that there was no guarantee of getting the funds back for failed projects. I wanted to back some gaming projects. Now that I know a little bit its risky even though the amount may not be high. Thanks for the warning. Will wait for the final product from now on. :X[DOUBLEPOST=1455991548][/DOUBLEPOST]Okay here you go.
With the telecom ministry launching the ‘Freedom 251’ mobile phone at Rs. 251, BJP MP Kirit Somaiya on Friday levelled serious allegation against the
company, saying it is a ‘ponzi bogus
company scam’.
Boldened for a reason.
http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/freedom-251-is-a-ponzi-scam-bjp-mp-kirit-somaiya/
We were right guys.
 
Last edited:

Lord Nemesis

Overlord
Veteran
Jun 3, 2005
5,936
2,407
377
Thirdly you are wrong

Last night, Ashok Chadha, President, Ringing Bells took to answering media questions post the launch event and also explained how the company plans to achieve this low price point, and ‘still’ manage to sustain. Firstly, he cleared the air about subsidy by saying there is no government subsidy involved, but the company plans to benefit from economies of scale.

http://m.tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/heres-why-the-freedom-251-costs-just-rs-251-300016.html
What economies of scale? I have never seen such hogwash. Use some common sense. As far as I can see, its a phone fully made in china and being imported. The best that ever gets done in India under the pretext of manufacturing is final assembly and maybe making the boxes to put them in. And let me assure you that it would cost cheaper to import a phone fully assembled and branded in China than it would to have any of the steps done in India. Manufacturing costs on the level of china simply doesn't work in India. You need to abolish all labor rights and laws to get anywhere close to that.

Understand that no scale and evasion of taxes and duties (they are already under IT investigation now) and alternative income strategies is going to bring down a product that costs 2300 to make down to 251. The only thing scale is going to do in this case is increase the losses.

If they intend to stick to their sales target, their investors would have to lose over 1000 crore. Show me the investors who are stupid enough to be ready to lose over 1000 crore over a no-name company trying to sell a cheap Chinese phone and I might just as well take their help to kick off a new startup to sell snake oil. If they are stupid enough to lose 1000 crore over these antics, snake oil business might also appeal to them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ssslayer

i_rock098

Active Member
Disciple
Jul 18, 2011
185
54
41
32
What economies of scale? I have never seen such hogwash. Use some common sense. As far as I can see, its a phone fully made in china and being imported. The best that ever gets done in India under the pretext of manufacturing is final assembly and maybe making the boxes to put them in. And let me assure you that it would cost cheaper to import a phone fully assembled and branded in China than it would to have any of the steps done in India. Manufacturing costs on the level of china simply doesn't work in India. You need to abolish all labor rights and laws to get anywhere close to that.

Understand that no scale and evasion of taxes and duties (they are already under IT investigation now) and alternative income strategies is going to bring down a product that costs 2300 to make down to 251. The only thing scale is going to do in this case is increase the losses.

If they intend to stick to their sales target, their investors would have to lose over 1000 crore. Show me the investors who are stupid enough to be ready to lose over 1000 crore over a no-name company trying to sell a cheap Chinese phone and I might just as well take their help to kick off a new startup to sell snake oil. If they are stupid enough to lose 1000 crore over these antics, snake oil business might also appeal to them.
Well it's an obvious scam, they are just sugar coating it.