Budget 31-40k Is it a good time to buy a graphic card ? If so then which one from rtx 2070 super vs. RX 5700 XT


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My plan to buy a new gpu is a mess as of now. So confused what to do

I have a gym 760 2gb ASUS dc 2 edition in my old system. Which one of my friend is using and will be occupied till March end.

I need a card for gaming plus streaming and if it helps in ml and ai.

Budget is tight, 40k around at max.

Also the cabinet as of now will be nzxt phantom 410. Will update in future.

What should I buy if I need one gpu ?

Rtx 2070 or RX 5700 XT

If so what version. Following will be priority but I am not sure if the 3 fan card will fit my case or not.

Also should I wait for navi or rtx 3000 series and buy some old card like RX 580 as of now ?

So confused
 

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If you are into light to moderate gaming, a 970 will also do swimmingly. I play Witcher at very decent framerates. Or you could also be looking for a used 1080 or a 1080ti.

I tied a 2080, and at 1080p, the difference wasn't perceptible at all between a 1080 and a 2080.
 

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If you are into light to moderate gaming, a 970 will also do swimmingly. I play Witcher at very decent framerates. Or you could also be looking for a used 1080 or a 1080ti.

I tied a 2080, and at 1080p, the difference wasn't perceptible at all between a 1080 and a 2080.
Used RX 580 was on my mind as I though to wait for next gen gpus. Mostly I would be using it for streaming + video editing and 2k 60fps gaming as of now. Also learning ML and AI so if that card can help there, it would be great. For streaming, games will be PUBG P.C, Apex legend, CS go, GTA 5 and in future I think Cyber punk 2077. Rest what ever new title, for personal entertainment and not streaming.

Galax is offering a 3 fan 2070 super for ₹ 40k and that’s tempting but lacks a usb c port. Well I don’t have a monitor to use it as of now so don’t know how much of a problem that would be. Gigabyte oc edition I think offers that but it’s 6k to 7k expensive.

If I have to go for a used card, spending more than ₹10k is a waste of money for me.
 

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Video editing is still more CPU intensive than GPU intensive, unless of course you are talking about CUDA cores. Between the Super and 5700xt, absolute numbers wise, 2070wins.

I wouldn't take prices into account here, because while something might be cheaper, you cannot offset performance with price. For 2k gaming, if those tiny numbers matter to you, then 2070.

If you want to spend less and those 1 to 5 percent difference doesn't matter, I would say 5700xt.

If I had the choice, I would go 5700xt way.
 

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Video editing is still more CPU intensive than GPU intensive, unless of course you are talking about CUDA cores. Between the Super and 5700xt, absolute numbers wise, 2070wins.

I wouldn't take prices into account here, because while something might be cheaper, you cannot offset performance with price. For 2k gaming, if those tiny numbers matter to you, then 2070.

If you want to spend less and those 1 to 5 percent difference doesn't matter, I would say 5700xt.

If I had the choice, I would go 5700xt way.
5700xt is around the same price like powercolor devil is for ₹40k plus and so is galax 2070s. It’s just I want to know the if buying a 2070s sense if the price difference is not more than 5k. Also if 2070s is what I should go for then what brand and version.
 

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Also should I wait for CES 2020 to complete and then buy if prices will drop, or should I buy it immediately without waiting anymore...
 

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Prices in India don't get adjusted that quickly so waiting for ces 2020 isn't worth it.
For gaming, both gpu's are good choices however, nvidia cards have the advantage when it comes to ai/ml.

compare the gpu dimensions with the specs for your case to tell if it fits.
i got this for the phantom 410 from the website:
ClearanceVGA Card 305mm (w/o fan), 280mm (installed), 230mm (full pivot)
 

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Also should I wait for CES 2020 to complete and then buy if prices will drop, or should I buy it immediately without waiting anymore...
what software do you use for video edition? card selecton should also depend on that variable. Some video editors prefer certain cards. For example, i do my video editing on a hackintosh so AMD is preferred in final cut pro
 

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what software do you use for video edition? card selecton should also depend on that variable. Some video editors prefer certain cards. For example, i do my video editing on a hackintosh so AMD is preferred in final cut pro
Mostly premium pro and after effects.
 

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Prices in India don't get adjusted that quickly so waiting for ces 2020 isn't worth it.
For gaming, both gpu's are good choices however, nvidia cards have the advantage when it comes to ai/ml.

compare the gpu dimensions with the specs for your case to tell if it fits.
i got this for the phantom 410 from the website:
ClearanceVGA Card 305mm (w/o fan), 280mm (installed), 230mm (full pivot)
The price deference is not even $100 dollars here in india. 2-3k at most. Ml and ai is ofcourse a priority so i think it will be nvidia this time.

Now as of what card is the case.
 

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No next gen cards are releasing before second half of 2020. AMD is unveiling 5600xt at CES which is basically 1660ti competition.
Get cheapest non-blower 2070 super.
 

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No next gen cards are releasing before second half of 2020. AMD is unveiling 5600xt in CES which is basically 1660ti competition.
Get cheapest non-blower 2070 super.
Then the above is what's cheapest with 3 fans plus 2 fans version is just 700 to 800 cheaper then this...
 

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Do try offline stores because they are usually cheaper than online prices, you can save 1k or more on this card.
 

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the galax will be a tight fit:
Dimensions(with Bracket)305*143*51mm
Dimensions(without Bracket)294*129*51mm
 

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EDIT: With the new drivers for 5700xt, things are getting better. Streaming with OBS is extremely stable now. I have streamed for 2 hours at a time many times now. All good. Drivers no longer crash. In CSGO, I am now getting anywhere between 150 and 400 FPS on Dust 2 casual. The only games not running good in my library are the AC games. PUBG, APEX, Witcher 3, SOTR, GR:Breakpoint, etc. all run well now.


I had the same graphics card choice that you do and here is my thread:

Long story short, for the games that you mentioned, 2070 S or even 2060S will perform better than 5700xt. AMD has a longtime DX 11 driver issue, which basically increases the load on CPUs and therefore the games run at lower framerates overall. There are very few games today that use DX12 but, even in those, difference between AMD and nvidia is marginal at best. For DX11, AMD loses big time. I ended up buying 5700xt because I did not know of these DX11 issues back then. Now, I have paired this card with ryzen 3600 and I am still not happy with a 38k purchase. Reasons: Streaming sucks, game recording sucks, AMD front end driver keeps crashing more frequently than it should, due to which the overlay goes away and all recording stops and the recorded video gets corrupted. Lower framerates in games like CSGO, PUBG, APEX, because they are all DX9 or 11 games. Shadow of the tomb raider is an amazing experience because its a DX12 game. Witcher 3 even though its DX11 game, the devs optimised multi threading of DX 11 code, due to which it performs amazingly with >80FPS all the time at 1080p. Mostly, above 100, which is a very good experience. BUT, the devs have to work for this to make it run on AMD, as AMD has given up. I have read a lot of articles online talking about this DX11 issue. @Chaos pointed this out to me first and when I googled it, I was surprised, but I had made my purchase by then. Let me give you some real time experience of mine in many games:

1) Dishonored 2 - Unoptimised for high refresh rates. Goes down to 50 FPS in many places even on my HW (3600 + 5700xt + 16GB RAM 2733 MHz, all SSD storage, 144 Hz monitor)
2) CSGO: Runs upwards of 200 FPS at 4 ms at all times, but in casual maps where there are 10 people at the same time, drops down to 120 FPS range. This sounds good on paper, but is extremely jarring in the gameplay. Medium - high competitive settings. With a 1600 + 5700xt, I was getting between 80 and 150 FPS at 8 to 16 ms. With a 1600 + 1060, I was getting the same performance as I got with 3600 + 5700xt, so you can now understand what driver or game unoptimisation can lead to
3) Witcher 3 - with 1600 + 5700xt, 60 to 144 FPS. No complaints. With 3600 + 5700XT, 80 to 144 FPS. This is called optimization
4) Assassins Creed: Revelations, brotherhood, AC2, AC Origin. All of these perform worse than a GTX 1060. Dont go with the online benchmarks. In real life, these games have stutters every 5 seconds. The more you move the camera, the more you get the stutters. 1600 + 1060 got me 144 FPS locked in brotherhood and revelations. 60 locked in AC2. 70 on AC:O with med-high settings. All 1080p. 1600 + 5700xt resulted into a stuttering mess in all these games. 3600 + 5700xt took care of Origin but with a caveat. I was not able to test out AC2, revelations, and Brotherhood because, by this time, I uninstalled the games. AC:O at ultra at 1080 p is 50 - 70 FPS. Amazingly unoptimised game. It still stutters in cities. And, to reduce the stuttering, I had to install nvidia's physx drivers. Go figure. Highly unoptimised (game or drivers or both). With even a 2060S, you wont face these issues
5) PUBG: Good experience with 3600 + 5700xt. But 2060S is better at lower price
6) Quantum Break: Good experience. 70to 144 FPS ultra @1080p
7) Far Cry Primal: 80 to 144 ultra. Good experience
8) Ghost Recon Breakpoint: I got this one free with 5700xt and it runs well. 55 to 80 FPS Ultra. This is a demanding game even for high end HW, so no complaints. There are no stutters and is silky smooth even at 65FPS because of low 8ms latency overall. Buying a 2060S gets you the new COD for free BTW
9) Dark Souls (all 3 games) - Good experience on both nvidia and AMD. The games are locked at meager 60 FPS, so...
10) Fallout 4 - Unoptimised POS. Doesnt do above 60 FPS without breaking physics of the game. Drops down to 35 in most places without any mods



TLDR: Go for 2060S if your goal is 1080p 144 or 2K 75. If your goal is 2k or above, only then go for 5700xt or 2070S. Not all games run at high frame rates due to unoptimisation (driver or game code), and the games that do run at high frame rates, run better on Nvidia due to better DX11 implementations. Remember, most games today are DX11, like it or not. CSGO is still DX9. I have learned all this the hard way. I am in no way saying 5700xt is a bad card. Its an amazing card, but even 2060S is better. Streaming is straight up bad and so is recording (with relive or OBS). Nvidia is doing a much better job with their nvenc for these purposes.

As for the case, I am using CM MB511 which I got for 6k. It came with 3 RGB fans and one fan at the back. You can also install fans at the top of the case which is pretty much a necessity in Indian weather.
 
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