The vaccine chaos

red dragon

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Please post your vaccine related queries here.
People from various cities in India who knows about the latest situation ( stocks etc.) please extend your helping hand.
I will try to clear some doubts sorrounding it. If I don't know, anyone who knows, please chime in.
It's a vaccine only thread, please avoid politics etc.


Added for clarity: Please continue to discuss but ultimately, take a consult of local doctor about covid and vaccinations presenting all medical history and necessary information
 
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I'm not spreading any misinformation sir.
It is a misconception that they meant allergy to the vaccines.
Of course if you develop anaphylaxis with the first dose, you won't get the second.
And only an idiot will think they are talking about vaccine allergies only. ANY FREAKING DUST/ DRUG/ FOOD allergy is a contraindication.
Shoot an email to Bharat Biotech, if you don't believe me, or even ask your local doctor.
What do you mean by unrelated allergy, each and every allergy is mast cell mediated which secretes cytokines. Learn the basics of 4 types of hypersensitivities and come back to argue with me.
This is not computer/ tech related. I'm extremely comfortable with these things, this is part of what I do for a living.
 
I don't care what degree or license you have outside India. I will follow the guidelines published by the MoHFW as that is relevant for Indian citizens. Medical standards vary from country to country and I will stick to the protocols defined by the govt of India. Vaccine hesitancy is already at its peak. Many of my friend's parents are now serious with Covid because they were hesitant to take the vaccine due to such scare tactics spread via social media.

I would request everyone to please follow the MoHFW guidelines and talk to their family doctors before deciding to not take the vaccine.
https://www.mohfw.gov.in/covid_vaccination/vaccination/faqs.html

I don't think this is an appropriate platform for people to get medical advice from unverified sources. I hope mods lock this thread.
 
pauldmps said:
I don't care what degree or license you have outside India. I will follow the guidelines published by the MoHFW as that is relevant for Indian citizens. Medical standards vary from country to country and I will stick to the protocols defined by the govt of India. Vaccine hesitancy is already at its peak. Many of my friend's parents are now serious with Covid because they were hesitant to take the vaccine due to such scare tactics spread via social media.

I would request everyone to please follow the MoHFW guidelines and talk to their family doctors before deciding to not take the vaccine.
https://www.mohfw.gov.in/covid_vaccination/vaccination/faqs.html

I don't think this is an appropriate platform for people to get medical advice from unverified sources. I hope mods lock this thread.
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..and just yesterday my family doc sugegsted to go for vaccination..he is Indian btw!
 
pauldmps said:
I would request everyone to please follow the MoHFW guidelines and talk to their family doctors before deciding to not take the vaccine.
https://www.mohfw.gov.in/covid_vaccination/vaccination/faqs.html
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An excerpt from this FAQ:

What are the contraindications for this vaccine?​

Contraindication
  1. Persons with history of:
    • Anaphylactic or allergic reaction to a previous dose of COVID-19 vaccine
    • Immediate or delayed-onset anaphylaxis or allergic reaction to vaccines or injectable therapies, pharmaceutical products, food-items etc.
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Of course if you had anaphylaxis to a vaccine, no one will give a second dose.
The above article also clearly states that it's contraindicated in any drug or food allergies etc.
www.cdc.gov

Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis...

As of January 3, 2021, a total of 20,346,372 cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) and 349,246 associated deaths have been reported in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
pauldmps said:
I don't care what degree or license you have outside India. I will follow the guidelines published by the MoHFW as that is relevant for Indian citizens. Medical standards vary from country to country and I will stick to the protocols defined by the govt of India. Vaccine hesitancy is already at its peak. Many of my friend's parents are now serious with Covid because they were hesitant to take the vaccine due to such scare tactics spread via social media.

I would request everyone to please follow the MoHFW guidelines and talk to their family doctors before deciding to not take the vaccine.
https://www.mohfw.gov.in/covid_vaccination/vaccination/faqs.html

I don't think this is an appropriate platform for people to get medical advice from unverified sources. I hope mods lock this thread.
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This thread is not about vaccine hesitancy, but about removing misconceptions about it.
Not everyone in this situation has access to family doctors.
It's not for medical advice also.
BTW all my licences are valid in India, I completed my studies in India and still registered under West Bengal medical council and Indian medical council.
If you still believe in MOHFW, good for you, take everyone you know to a vaccine center, get them vaccinated. This MOHFW is responsible for this massive record breaking spike, go ahead with vaccinations during a raging pandemic.
( Hope you have read that this vaccine is actually contraindicated with active covid infection according to MOHFW website)
 
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pauldmps said:
I don't care what degree or license you have outside India. I will follow the guidelines published by the MoHFW as that is relevant for Indian citizens. Medical standards vary from country to country and I will stick to the protocols defined by the govt of India. Vaccine hesitancy is already at its peak. Many of my friend's parents are now serious with Covid because they were hesitant to take the vaccine due to such scare tactics spread via social media.

I would request everyone to please follow the MoHFW guidelines and talk to their family doctors before deciding to not take the vaccine.
https://www.mohfw.gov.in/covid_vaccination/vaccination/faqs.html

I don't think this is an appropriate platform for people to get medical advice from unverified sources. I hope mods lock this thread.
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MOHFW & @red dragon are saying the same thing.

Only you are contradicting them both. Please refrain from speaking about a subject you obviously have no idea about. Someone with allergies may take the vaccine and have serious side effects as a result of your half assed comments.
 
red dragon said:
I'm not spreading any misinformation sir.
It is a misconception that they meant allergy to the vaccines.
Of course if you develop anaphylaxis with the first dose, you won't get the second.
And only an idiot will think they are talking about vaccine allergies only. ANY FREAKING DUST/ DRUG/ FOOD allergy is a contraindication.
Shoot an email to Bharat Biotech, if you don't believe me, or even ask your local doctor.
What do you mean by unrelated allergy, each and every allergy is mast cell mediated which secretes cytokines. Learn the basics of 4 types of hypersensitivities and come back to argue with me.
This is not computer/ tech related. I'm extremely comfortable with these things, this is part of what I do for a living.
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Understood that you have great background on this subject. What about people from non medicine background which most of us are in this forum?. We don’t understand what is anaphylaxis or I haven’t heard the word contraindication in my life before.
pls be mindful of your posts as it is difficult to comprehend for people like me. Put your post in simple words. if it’s difficult to type it out in simple words, pls refrain, rather post links for genuine articles which we can explain it step by step. that way the person who really wants to understand about it, can read the full article and learn rather than getting confused by the medicinal terms.
 
If I post links to articles, it will be even more difficult to understand as most relevant articles written for doctors, microbiologists etc. and some can't be accessed without a subscription.
And I'm not going to refrain from posting because somebody with less than 100 posts doesn't understand the meaning of anaphylaxis or contraindication, yet want to read hardcore medical articles.
I have no great background on immunolgy, but yes, I do have post graduation training (MD, hope it's understandable) in both general medicine and community medicine from India.
There's absolutely no problem if the mods close this thread. I don't gain or loose anything from creating a vaccine related thread in a tech forum I love for years, and found many good friends from.
 
belictony said:
We don’t understand what is anaphylaxis or I haven’t heard the word contraindication in my life before.
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Excuse me, please speak for yourself when you say people with non-medicine backgrounds don't understand terms like anaphylaxis or contraindication, don't presume on others' behalf.
First your objection was to the OP's qualifications, now to their language which is as simple as can get.

If you're unfamiliar with a term, it's better to ask for clarification or just google it, instead of saying don't have this discussion because I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
 
y2s said:
MOHFW & @red dragon are saying the same thing.

Only you are contradicting them both. Please refrain from speaking about a subject you obviously have no idea about. Someone with allergies may take the vaccine and have serious side effects as a result of your half assed comments.
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I did not provide any medical advice but instead pointed to the FAQs on the govt website. Yes I am not a medical expert and unless you can verify the credentials of the other people on this forum, they are also not qualified as a medical expert.

Regarding allergies and side effects, everyone need to talk to their doctors and I believe that the doctors present at the vaccination centres are competent enough to do proper screening before administering the vaccine. Posts here asking people to avoid the vaccine will only make people more hesitant to actually go and seek medical advice from an actual doctor and instead rely on strangers over the internet.

My point is very simple, this is not the place to get medical advice. A lot of people are dying of COVID in our country every day. The chances of a person having severe allergic reactions that cause death is much lower than a person dying from COVID or even in a road accident on the way to the vaccination centre. Please leave these decisions to actual medical professionals.
 
Funnily some techie members in this forum could deduce why covid 19 is non rampant in HIV positive patients.
Most of my fellow clinicians couldn't. Don't underestimate the techies. They are far more intelligent than doctors ( honestly medical professionals including me are not really bright, we can cram a lot, but that's about it)
pauldmps said:
I did not provide any medical advice but instead pointed to the FAQs on the govt website. Yes I am not a medical expert and unless you can verify the credentials of the other people on this forum, they are also not qualified as a medical expert.

Regarding allergies and side effects, everyone need to talk to their doctors and I believe that the doctors present at the vaccination centres are competent enough to do proper screening before administering the vaccine. Posts here asking people to avoid the vaccine will only make people more hesitant to actually go and seek medical advice from an actual doctor and instead rely on strangers over the internet.

My point is very simple, this is not the place to get medical advice. A lot of people are dying of COVID in our country every day. The chances of a person having severe allergic reactions that cause death is much lower than a person dying from COVID or even in a road accident on the way to the vaccination centre. Please leave these decisions to actual medical professionals.
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Some people do have my credentials and I really don't mind forwarding to you also. But I hope you have access to doctors and hospitals in this time of crisis. Some unfortunates don't.
Just trying to help here and give back at least something in return for unlimited tech support I received from these great guys for free for more than a decade.
I don't gain or loose anything from writing in this forum.
It's not only about death after anaphylaxis, but the significant amount of symptomatic patients that could be avoided.
FYI, very few vaccination centre have doctors sitting there ( not only in India, but in EU also) It shows you haven't been into any vaccination centre ever. Best of luck finding a doctor in case of anaphylaxis in the present situation.
 
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red dragon said:
Of course if you had anaphylaxis to a vaccine, no one will give a second dose.
The above article also clearly states that it's contraindicated in any drug or food allergies etc.
www.cdc.gov

Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis...

As of January 3, 2021, a total of 20,346,372 cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) and 349,246 associated deaths have been reported in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

This thread is not about vaccine hesitancy, but about removing misconceptions about it.
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You can go ahead and post a list of misconceptions and truths but please don't ask people to completely avoid the vaccine. Respectfully, your choice of words do not feel like a medical professional. A medical professional would have put on a disclaimer that a person should always seek medical advice with their own doctors and not make conclusions over the internet. You could have said "Please check with your family doctor or disclose your allergies to the vaccination centre staff so that they can decide if you should be allowed the vaccine or not". Instead you just responded with a plain "no". You don't know how what kind of or how severe allergy the person has to the mentioned drugs but you came to a quick conclusion that he is not eligible for the vaccine.
You have also been discouraging vaccinations on the other thread. It's one thing to criticise the govt (even I hate this govt and how its been managing this pandemic), but its another issue telling everyone that vaccinations should not happen at all.

red dragon said:
Not everyone in this situation has access to family doctors.
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So this forum can be an alternative to access to family doctor?
red dragon said:
It's not for medical advice also.
BTW all my licences are valid in India, I completed my studies in India and still registered under West Bengal medical council and Indian medical council.
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Great! So what is the consensus of Indian Medical Council regarding vaccinations?
red dragon said:
If you still believe in MOHFW, good for you, take everyone you know to a vaccine center, get them vaccinated. This MOHFW is responsible for this massive record breaking spike, go ahead with vaccinations during a raging pandemic.
( Hope you have read that this vaccine is actually contraindicated with active covid infection according to MOHFW website)
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Do you have any research to back your claims? Do you have any data or recorded cases of people severely affected or dying due to being COVID positive and getting the vaccines anywhere in the world? Shouldn't the doctors at the vaccination centres be taking the decision after checking the symptoms and medical history of the person before administering the vaccine or should we just listen to you and not even go to the vaccine centre?
 
Please don't multiquote so much buddy, I'm on a freaking phone..
Regarding consensus of MCI, they are still recommending Remdesivir, fully knowing it's neither available nor effective.
You want me to find articles describing effect of a vaccine in already infected!!??
Are you nuts!!??
Regarding my language, if I write only no, it sounds unprofessional, if I explain, your friend here complains about words that he has never heard! My grasp of English language seems to be very poor, but I don't live in an English speaking country, my partner doesn't speak much English either.
Yet, I'm sorry if my language anyway sounded offensive and non professional.
Regarding medical help through this forum, ever heard of desperate measures in desperate times? That's what happening here, some members could not get beds in Kolkata and Delhi, since I have friends and classmates working in these city hospitals, it was relatively easy for me to call them up and arrange for few beds.
One member had low oxygen sat earlier ( 4am here @ Vienna) I still don't know how he's doing, since he didn't pm or call, hoping he's doing fine/ got himself admitted successfully.
That's the extent of my involvement from so far away, wish I could do more.
If this seems unprofessional to you, please suggest some alternatives.
 
calvin1719 said:
Excuse me, please speak for yourself when you say people with non-medicine backgrounds don't understand terms like anaphylaxis or contraindication, don't presume on others' behalf.
First your objection was to the OP's qualifications, now to their language which is as simple as can get.

If you're unfamiliar with a term, it's better to ask for clarification or just google it, instead of saying don't have this discussion because I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Whatever I said is true. Not all of us “in the tech forum” understand medical terms. I can safely presume that most of us don’t know about because this is not a medical forum, it’s a tech forum.

we all know how to google or get clarifications. We can read about anaphylaxis or contraindication...etc. But it’s not correct to post something like this and not give clear opinions or giving abrupt opinions without analysing the patient history. If OP wants to give free medical advise to tech enclave forum members, he can post a blanket post asking forum members to reach his DM and have detailed discussions there. If you post saying a person can or cannot take vaccine, which is visible for all for us, not coming out clearly, then people are going to question and dig further. Hence it’s apt to discuss one on one to the person reaching to his DM.

Posting all these in public forum is not right as each individual has their own medical history. OP can’t presume/ not look at medical history,etc and still give blanket yes or no response.
 
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