Health & Fitness Corona is in full swing and its not Joke !

Well, we still don't know that .. do we ?
Yes we do.



Even your link mentions this:

Is it true that SARS-CoV-2 must have been engineered, because it's perfect for causing a pandemic?

Many scientists say no. Just because the virus spreads among humans doesn't mean it was designed to do so. It also flourishes among mink and infects a host of carnivorous mammals. And it wasn’t optimally transmissible among humans for the better part of last year. Rather, new, more efficient variants have evolved around the world. To name one example, the highly transmissible variant of SARS-CoV-2 first reported in India (B.1.617.2, or Delta) has mutations in the nucleotides encoding its furin cleavage site that appear to make the virus better at infecting cells.

“This was not some supremely adapted pathogen,” says Joel Wertheim, a molecular epidemiologist at the University of California San Diego.
Have virus bypassed all vaccines including mrna vaccines?Why are
People getting infected after taking vaccines.
Vaccines help immunity system to fight the virus. They doesn't make people invincible. Vaccines aren't shields from sci-fi movies.
 
Yes we do.



Even your link mentions this:



Vaccines help immunity system to fight the virus. They doesn't make people invincible. Vaccines aren't shields from sci-fi movies.
They prevents outbreaks and if people are getting infected in large numbers then they are failing.Yes they help our immune system to identify and kill virus.if our immune system is not not able to identify virus and not killing it then it means virus is bypassing vaccines.
 
They prevents outbreaks and if people are getting infected in large numbers then they are failing.Yes they help our immune system to identify and kill virus.
People getting COVID-19 after vaccines and getting only mild symptoms is immune system identifying the virus and fighting it. What are people expecting, magical protection?

Please read about how vaccines work.


 
They prevents outbreaks and if people are getting infected in large numbers then they are failing.Yes they help our immune system to identify and kill virus.if our immune system is not not able to identify virus and not killing it then it means virus is bypassing vaccines.

The WHO & CDC is a joke at this point of time, thankfully they keep losing credibility every single day.
It's all about "business" & "what people would tolerate" just like the CDC director herself states.

 
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No, it is not conclusive. One singular study from 2020 that predates new information coming to light does not prove anything.
Even the FAQ you quoted only says many. Many does not imply all.
These folks have been researching a lot on the origins -

Who are these clowns, conspiracy theorists? Tell me when they have something credible. Till then I'll follow Occam's Razor as this isn't the first pandemic.
 
Who are these clowns, conspiracy theorists? Tell me when they have something credible. Till then I'll follow Occam's Razor as this isn't the first pandemic.
Well you can always ignore everything and choose to follow the same stand as the loonies in who. But please do not force Occam's razor down everyone's throat if you do not have all the answers.
Anyways I have not seen anything apart from that old nondescript study so nothing credible there as well.
By the way, few members in that group of "clowns" are Indian scientists.
 
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But please do not force Occam's razor down everyone's throat if you do not have all the answers.
Occam's Razor (the simplest explanation is usually the best one) is specifically for situations when there are no clear answers.
Well you can always ignore everything and choose to follow the same stand as the loonies in who.
Anyways I have not seen anything apart from that old nondescript study so nothing credible there as well.
Oh yeah, WHO are the loonies so let's follow some clowns on twitter. What credible study have you seen from them? Will you ever hold them to same standard that you hold WHO? WHO is an international organization that has to handle things both scientifically and diplomatically and walk a fine line so as to not loose access to the information. It's easier to sit on the sidelines and criticize them because they're not doing the things you want them to and in the way you want them to.

Experts have been warning about pandemic for years now, some are even warning about deforestation, urbanization, climate change and how it will lead to disease outbreaks. There have been more than a dozen epidemics in last 20 years alone. One of them was bound to go global sooner or later and it did. If it hadn't been SARS, it would've been MERS, Avian flu, Swine flu, Measles or some other disease. You're focusing only on one that is visible. As severity of climate change progresses, we will be witnessing more and more disease outbreaks.

By the way, few members in that group of "clowns" are Indian scientists.
What difference does it make if they're Indians or not? Do Indians lack ability to be 'clowns'?

So unless there's evidence that this disease is manmade, let's stop spreading baseless rumours, keep them on Whatsapp.
 
Occam's Razor (the simplest explanation is usually the best one) is specifically for situations when there are no clear answers.
The simplest explanation is not always the correct one. This is nothing but stinks of an escapist mentality and taking things for granted without questioning them.
WHO is an international organization that has to handle things both scientifically and diplomatically and walk a fine line so as to not loose access to the information.
WHO is spineless and has been reduced to a laughing stock and not without reason. I don't know in which world, diplomatic nonsense has any space in Global health especially when it comes to an pandemic like this. The H is nothing but Helpless.
Oh yeah, WHO are the loonies so let's follow some clowns on twitter. What credible study have you seen from them
Obviously this shows you have not even bothered to read anything. They are only collating scientific evidence not creating their own content. If you have a problem with that you should question the scientists and doctors, whose studies they have quoted.
Experts have been warning about pandemic for years now, some are even warning about deforestation, urbanization, climate change and how it will lead to disease outbreaks. There have been more than a dozen epidemics in last 20 years alone. One of them was bound to go global sooner or later and it did. If it hadn't been SARS, it would've been MERS, Avian flu, Swine flu, Measles or some other disease. You're focusing only on one that is visible. As severity of climate change progresses, we will be witnessing more and more disease outbreaks.
Yes and none of this is new. Covid is obviously in focus since it has had biggest impact among all those you have mentioned. Does that mean we stop questioning its origins ? Yes, if it is proven that the origins are not man made then we would know that we may not have been able to prevent it. But if it is something other than that then what ?
What difference does it make if they're Indians or not? Do Indians lack ability to be 'clowns'?
Well, apparently they don't.
So unless there's evidence that this disease is manmade, let's stop spreading baseless rumours, keep them on Whatsapp.
Sure. Occam's razor explains everything so lets stop asking questions. What ignorant drivel.
 
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Obviously this shows you have not even bothered to read anything. They are only collating scientific evidence not creating their own content. If you have a problem with that you should question the scientists and doctors, whose studies they have quoted.
Since China is not letting WHO or any organization collect any evidence, where are these people getting their evidence from? BTW you sound unhinged. I guess that's cause you're just spouting talking points from Trump/Republican echo chambers.
 
Since China is not letting WHO or any organization collect any evidence, where are these people getting their evidence from? BTW you sound unhinged. I guess that's cause you're just spouting talking points from Trump/Republican echo chambers.
The sources are mentioned if you bother to read. So anyone asking questions is declared "unhinged" and a "Republican" while you are the one peddling Occam's razor ?
If you dare, the first question you should ask yourself is why China is not letting anyone ? What have they got to hide ?
 
I think he means that there can be early elections, after 4 years.

No one designed it, please stop spreading conspiracy theories.
okay, so you mean to only & only corona virus has the capability to it was not designed in lab.

Till date that country has not allowed any outsider/ foreigner to investigate the point of origin.

And to that country being silent on its ferocious nature the world is suffering.
 
Till date that country has not allowed any outsider/ foreigner to investigate the point of origin.
Even India does not allow IAEA officials to visit our nuclear installation sites for inspection due to security reasons. Does that mean we are proliferating nukes?
There are many reasons for not allowing foreign inspectors. It will damage Chinese image amongst its own people.
Yes, we don't care about what their people think. If all countries put pressure then meybe they would relent but will it serve the purpose now?
 
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Even India does not allow IAEA officials to visit our nuclear installation sites for inspection due to security reasons. Does that mean we are proliferating nukes?
What does this have to do with the investigation of Covid origins ? What security reasons could be there for not allowing a team of doctors and scientific personnel to investigate ?
It will damage Chinese image amongst its own people.
Do you really think the Chinese Govt. is bothered about what their own people think ?
If all countries put pressure then meybe they would relent but will it serve the purpose now?
This may be true. We are already too late and whatever could be found has either long gone or has been destroyed.
I am surprised to see so much sympathy and defending for what they have been doing or not doing. If it started there and was, indeed, a naturally evolved virus jumping from animals to humans, let an independent organization investigate thoroughly without any undue influence and confirm it once and for all.
 
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There are many reasons for not allowing foreign inspectors. It will damage Chinese image amongst its own people.
Exactly. Even if there was lab leak, they are nothing new. Wikipedia has an incomplete list, there must be many more that we don't know about.


However admitting there was a leak means CCP's image of and infallible entity among the Chinese population is shattered. That's what CCP cares about.

And lab leak origin is still a massive far cry from man made. I don't know from where these people are getting 'covid was engineered'.
 
And lab leak origin is still a massive far cry from man made. I don't know from where these people are getting 'covid was engineered'.

ok we get it you are defending as we dont have valid proof but why not do you have any valid point it was not.

Wikipedia as you might know can be edited and manipulated.

That particular country ha already manipulated WHO and you should actually for knowledge search about omicron how it got this name.
 

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ok we get it you are defending as we dont have valid proof but why not do you have any valid point it was not.

Wikipedia as you might know can be edited and manipulated.

That particular country ha already manipulated WHO and you should actually for knowledge search about omicron how it got this name.
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The simplest explanation is not always the correct one. This is nothing but stinks of an escapist mentality and taking things for granted without questioning them.
This shows that you don't understand occam's razor, and more importantly, why it is required. Spoiler : It does not say that the simplest explanation is the correct one.

Why do we need it ? There are literally an infinite number of non-simplest explanations of any observation in an experiment. If scientists bother with those, science can never progress. Ideal response to someone suggesting a non-simplest explanation is to not reply. Since you area nice guy, and discussion here does not impede real science, so I explain here.

In a way, Occam's razor prevents DDos attack on science by inundating it with irrelevant questions, if this analogy makes sense to you.

E.g. take Rutherford's gold foil experiment. The scattering of Alpha particles could have been explained by celestial bodies, weather patterns, Rutherford's mood etc. For hundreds of years, "critics" could have kept asking to "consider" their alternative explanation because the "simplest explanation is not always the correct one". By avoiding to talk about the non-simplest explanation, science avoids being roadblocked by vested interests, and general troublemakers.

COVID is far less important than the very concept of science. Just for digging the origins of COVID, if we ditch the very principles that helped us reach this scientific level, it will be a net loss to the world.

Once we ditch the Occam's razor, what prevents us from considering that a pig flew from Philippines at night , exploded in Wuhan, and scattered this virus all over ? There is equal evidence of that, and the "engineered" virus. Zero.
 
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