Query on Domestic LPG Gas and Related Safety Measures

rootyme

Adept
Please follow the numbering while answering my queries.

1. The official rule reads that the LPG Cylinders must be weighed by the delivery guy right in front of the consumer before delivery. But that never happens.

Not once has any delivery boy weighed the Gas Cylinder before delivering it to our home. Even if you personally visit the godown, there is no concept of weighing the gas cylinders. How exactly does one know if he/she is not getting less gas than what he/she should be?

2. 7/10 or 8/10 times, depending on who you ask, when you expose the cylinder valve and drop a little water in there, you will find air bubbles popping up from the black tip. That is the gas leaking, the gas you paid for. An adequately sealed gas cylinder does not have any suck gas leaks. I have personally seen quite a few cylinders that emanate no smell with the valve exposed. No bubbles with water either. My questions -

i) Why does the Gas Distributor/Delivery Boy say that some leak is normal and that is to be expected on all gas cylinders? They refuse to listen when I complain that there should ideally be no such leaks. If leaks are normal, how come I come across the ones that don't?​
ii) Domestic Gas Cylinders, post their refilling, travel with with a removable plastic seal covering their valves. How effective is that plastic seal in stopping the gas already leaking from within the valve?​
iii) If the plastic seal is not 100% effective in containing what's leaking, are we not losing a ton of gas before they reach our homes?​
iv) The Delivery guy usually just opens up the plastic, pretends to smell and check the cylinder, and says everything's alright. When we demonstrate the leak with water, he pushes his vehicle keys against the valve and again pretends that the leaks are fixed. They are not. The leak never stops. He then leaves saying some degree of leak is normal.​

3. Why is the Gas Cylinder refilling process still so un-optimised? It is a non-renewable resource so how are the Gas Manufacturers/Distributors okay with letting so much go to waste? Why is everything so vague when it should be transparent? Why are rules not followed?

4. What are some essential safety measures that everyone should know about using Domestic LPG?

5. What is the best Gas Distribution company in India?

6. If delivery charges are mandatory, why don't the Distributors charge that during booking? Why does the delivery boy explicitly ask the consumers for delivery charges?
 
2. 7/10 or 8/10 times, depending on who you ask, when you expose the cylinder valve and drop a little water in there, you will find air bubbles popping up from the black tip.
Can you post a video of the bubbles ? How long have you seen the bubbles popping up i e. do they stop after a while?

I am asking because there might be other explanations of the bubbles, depending on how it looks. Especially if there is no smell.
 
1. Weigh it yourself with a luggage scale. One I use, was bought over nine years back and works. I don't really bother as much these days and mostly use it to guess when the cylinder will run out.

3. Govt monopoly I guess though that might be different in other states with bigger private players

4. - A regulator is a must. Prevents backflow which causes a cylinder blast.

- The rubber tubing is recommended to be changed every 5 years. Indane used to have a booklet of best practices some time back.

- Try to keep cylinders outdoors in a sheltered space otherwise ensure windows are always open for adequate ventilation.

- Try not to store full cylinders. Meaning order when its about to run out. Halves the intensity of a blast if all fails

5. I've been giving the guy Rs.5 (yes five rupee coin) for delivery since forever
 
Can you post a video of the bubbles ?
I inserted a little polythene into the valve and put the cap back on. And the bubbles have somehow reduced by 95% this morning. Strange!
explanations of the bubbles, depending on how it looks. Especially if there is no smell.
They are always accompanied by the smell of LPG.
How long have you seen the bubbles popping up i e. do they stop after a while?
I have never seen them stop. But this time they did as after I did what I did.
Try not to store full cylinders. Meaning order when its about to run out. Halves the intensity of a blast if all fails
We always store a full backup cylinder right next to where we sleep. Kitchen is literally next to the bedroom. Should we stop doing this?
I've been giving the guy Rs.5 (yes five rupee coin) for delivery since forever
Strange! We are always expected to pay 25 or even 50 at times. They don't leave happy if you pay 20.
 
We always store a full backup cylinder right next to where we sleep. Kitchen is literally next to the bedroom. Should we stop doing this?
Are they in the same room because mine are on either side of the stove.

I'm saying have one full and another empty. When you think the cylinder will run out then order a new one say a week in advance. If you keep a record you will have an idea when it will run out assuming your usage remains the same.

Instead of having a full spare one in addition to the one you're using.
Strange! We are always expected to pay 25 or even 50 at times. They don't leave happy if you pay 20.
May vary depending on where you live
 
If you keep a record you will have an idea when it will run out assuming your usage remains the same.
Yeah I've been maintaining a record for around a year now. Never before that. And yes, it's probably better to defer the orders.
May vary depending on where you live
We don't live too far away from the Distributor's office. It's a small city. The demand for extra charges is not within the rules btw. YouTube is filled with videos like this:




 
We don't live too far away from the Distributor's office. It's a small city. The demand for extra charges is not within the rules btw. YouTube is filled with videos like this:




I've never had this problem. Last video the guy said delivery is supposed to be free if within 15km. Thing is if others pay then they expect it.
 
I inserted a little polythene into the valve and put the cap back on. And the bubbles have somehow reduced by 95% this morning. Strange!
I think you are playing with fire. Literally. The short term and long term impact of these polythene pieces on the safety is unknown. I'm afraid the polythene might have had zero or negative effect on leakage, but the water test might not be catching this type of leakage.

I couldn't find the water test for LPG leakage anywhere. There is a soap bubble test, and a water test in which one end of a pipe is dipped in a water bucket. Though smell is a dead giveaway.

I was once dealing with an extremely unhelpful LPG distributor in Bangalore - who took months to give me an LPG connection until I got help from an influential person. I called that distributor for a merely suspected LPG leak, and they sent a guy to check in 10 minutes - there was no leak.
 
I think you are playing with fire. Literally. The short term and long term impact of these polythene pieces on the safety is unknown. I'm afraid the polythene might have had zero or negative effect on leakage
Just removed the polythene. Not risking anything.
Though smell is a dead giveaway.
Yeah. Thankfully it has stopped now.
I was once dealing with an extremely unhelpful LPG distributor in Bangalore - who took months to give me an LPG connection until I got help from an influential person. I called that distributor for a merely suspected LPG leak, and they sent a guy to check in 10 minutes - there was no leak.
They usually don't care.
I couldn't find the water test for LPG leakage anywhere.
@kiran6680 @blr_p Here is the video.
That's water in the valve. And those bubbles are still coming up. The smell is there.
 
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Interesting test. I've not done that before or seem anyone advise it. How do you get the water out?

Not comfortable fiddling with valve when there is water on top. Supposed to be one way only I suppose.
 
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