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Managed vs Unmanaged Switch

  • Managed Switch

    Votes: 5 71.4%
  • Unmanaged Switch

    Votes: 2 28.6%

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What are the big practical differences between managed vs unmanaged switch for home networking in your experience?

Is a managed switch needed when there is a separate firewall (pfsense/opnsense/openwrt) device?

Any good 8 port 2.5gbe managed switch with PoE on ~4 ports? (like Mikrotik RB5009UPr+S+IN)
 
What are the big practical differences between managed vs unmanaged switch for home networking in your experience?
VLANs, QoS, Multicast etc
Is a managed switch needed when there is a separate firewall (pfsense/opnsense/openwrt) device?
It is not mandatory but depends on your router and requirements. Suppose if you want multiple zones and your router does not have enough ports in the router to provision interfaces per zone, then you will need to use VLANs
 
VLANs, QoS, Multicast etc
I really like that most "Easy Smart Managed" TP-Link switches now have this feature too. I think most basic switches have it nowadays. TP-Link seems to call it semi-managed, which I tend to believe since they also have their own web UI, unlike my previous experiences with unmanaged switches.


I think they're a great buy personally. You don't have the Cisco-ish interface or programming to deal with, and you get 80% of the work done for you. Sure, it's not as flexible, but that's mostly never needed for home setups. I have a couple of them at almost every place I need one, and I love it.
 
I really like that most "Easy Smart Managed" TP-Link switches now have this feature too. I think most basic switches have it nowadays.
Seen some very poor reviews of easy managed switches on amazon US where the enthusiasts bought them thinking as cheap alternative of proper managed switch. Lots of complaints incl how these switches have a "feature" where they defaults to 192.168.0.1 home ip because of delay in getting ip over dhcp making entire network crash as that ip is also used by many other routers as well as poor vlan functioning. Also, I have not seen any basic switch with vlan feature not to mention you also need a router with vlan feature to correctly route traffic between various vlan connected via a vlan switch.
@napstersquest @rsaeon
 
I have set mine to follow a static IP and not have its own DHCP server setup. This is really not an issue for me, I suppose, if it means I can get a semi-managed switch for so much cheaper :p

As for VLAN, can't comment much. I have a mostly separate network for CCTV and HA that is not connected to the internet (the 'server' has dual NIC and can connect to the Internet, however). Never really needed VLAN.
But yeah, if you're an enthusiast and need to use those features, it's more than likely that semi-managed won't cover for you, of course. But I still believe it should be good enough for most.

I can't think of anything else to review, honestly. I have configured them like twice, when routers changed, but aside from that, it's just quietly working on its own and I have never touched it for years. Currently, I'm not at home, but I don't think they'll just randomly decide to break one day lmao
If they do, I'll be very sad :(
 
Seen some very poor reviews of easy managed switches on amazon US where the enthusiasts bought them thinking as cheap alternative of proper managed switch. Lots of complaints incl how these switches have a "feature" where they defaults to 192.168.0.1 home ip because of delay in getting ip over dhcp making entire network crash as that ip is also used by many other routers as well as poor vlan functioning. Also, I have not seen any basic switch with vlan feature not to mention you also need a router with vlan feature to correctly route traffic between various vlan connected via a vlan switch.
@napstersquest @rsaeon
FWIW , I have a few of these TPL easy switches in home use for past several years (SG108E)
In all these years, I have never had a switch change its IP/ subnet on its own.
Even if you don’t use VLANs, their robustness and ease of monitoring (web UI) makes them worth the small premium they carry over regular switches
Cannot recommend them enough for home usage
 
I have set mine to follow a static IP and not have its own DHCP server setup.
The reviews were talking about the IP assigned to switch by router.

Even if you don’t use VLANs, their robustness and ease of monitoring (web UI)
Have you used tp-link Easy Smart configuration utility on windows & found any difference with webui? Also, can these switches be used to limit bandwidth (say 150mbps on a gigabit port) to a connected device or monitor the total data usage by a connected device per day/week/month etc.
 
That's the thing, the IP is not being assigned timely, sot the switch assumes you don't have a router and hosts its own DHCP server. It's one button to disable it.
The reasoning for that is simple, most routers have shitty CPU, but run complex software. The switch starts up way faster than them and keeps waiting, until it decides that there's no router connected. This is actually a feature meant so that normal people can easily access the Web UI and configure their switch without needing to have a router or DHCP Server running.
I can see why you call it a negative, but I don't think this a "downside" big enough to warrant not getting one of these switches.
Have you used tp-link Easy Smart configuration utility on windows & found any difference with webui? Also, can these switches be used to limit bandwidth (say 150mbps on a gigabit port) to a connected device or monitor the total data usage by a connected device per day/week/month etc.
1. I'm not on Windows, not sure if their tool is available for Linux. Web UI is just more practical for a network device imo.
2. Yes, you can limit bandwidth per port, and also aggregate ports iirc. Only gripe is that you've to do so in KB/s and the number must be divisible by 8 (if not, it automatically converts it to something divisible by 8)
3. You can see total data usage per port since the switch started. It's probably a 32bit integer, and I'll say that you shouldn't rely on it. I mean, why even care for that?
4. There are features to check defects in LAN, or loops directly built into the switch, so if that's your intention of monitoring data usage, then it's already there.

I'll say this again: It's not meant to be a replacement for Cisco managed switch. If you need that features, a full-blown OS, programming interface, this is not for you. Go for Microtik or big brands in that case, but of course, at a higher price.

I get that you're being cautious, but this is just kinda being hypocritical to me, I guess...
FWIW , I have a few of these TPL easy switches in home use for past several years (SG108E)
In all these years, I have never had a switch change its IP/ subnet on its own.
Even if you don’t use VLANs, their robustness and ease of monitoring (web UI) makes them worth the small premium they carry over regular switches
Cannot recommend them enough for home usage
Well said. I'm thinking of buying their 24-Port version with PoE+. That way I could build a proper rack-based home networking solution haha
That's been like a dream of mine, buying my own 1st hand rack with good, low-power switches.

I hope XtremeMiner gets even better NAS cases and racks by the time I'm at a more permanent home :D
 
That's the thing, the IP is not being assigned timely, sot the switch assumes you don't have a router and hosts its own DHCP server. It's one button to disable it.
The reasoning for that is simple, most routers have shitty CPU, but run complex software. The switch starts up way faster than them and keeps waiting, until it decides that there's no router connected. This is actually a feature meant so that normal people can easily access the Web UI and configure their switch without needing to have a router or DHCP Server running.
I can see why you call it a negative, but I don't think this a "downside" big enough to warrant not getting one of these switches.
What you said is correct for typical user scenario but that review/similar negative reviews are posted by enthusiasts who are running enterprise grade gear not typical home routers/switches which is why they even bought this switch in the first place thinking of it as a cheap enterprise gear with some crippled functionality.

You can see total data usage per port since the switch started. It's probably a 32bit integer, and I'll say that you shouldn't rely on it. I mean, why even care for that? There are features to check defects in LAN, or loops directly built into the switch, so if that's your intention of monitoring data usage, then it's already there.
I'll say this again: It's not meant to be a replacement for Cisco managed switch. If you need that features, a full-blown OS, programming interface, this is not for you. Go for Microtik or big brands in that case, but of course, at a higher price.

I get that you're being cautious, but this is just kinda being hypocritical to me, I guess...
I thought of this switch because most typical budget routers nowadays don't have precise bandwidth control (not talking about typical priority based QoS feature which is there in all routers nowadays) or bandwidth usage stats & if the difference is just a few hundred rupees between this & typical unmanaged switches & this switch can achieve these functions then why not. Cisco or any managed switch is not meant for a typical home network anyway so never thought of that. Same for microtik which is kind of a half professional networking gear. I need bandwidth control to adjust network condition sometimes while downloading something large on one pc while still allowing other devices to use network with decent speeds. As for bandwidth usage that is mainly required to gather basic info regarding how much usage is done from main downloading device compared to other devices as my local ISP does not provide bandwidth usage stats (these stats will help in selecting new plans in future).
 
Seen some very poor reviews of easy managed switches on amazon US where the enthusiasts bought them thinking as cheap alternative of proper managed switch. Lots of complaints incl how these switches have a "feature" where they defaults to 192.168.0.1 home ip because of delay in getting ip over dhcp making entire network crash as that ip is also used by many other routers as well as poor vlan functioning. Also, I have not seen any basic switch with vlan feature not to mention you also need a router with vlan feature to correctly route traffic between various vlan connected via a vlan switch.
@napstersquest @rsaeon

I have a bunch of those easy/smart switches from TP-Link and they're generally reliable with a couple of caveats:

1) If you do a manual IP reassignment for anything connected to the switch, you need to restart the switch, there's no workaround — clearing ARP caches on the router does nothing for the switch.

2) If you have port-based VLAN (which I like because I use the same switch for different networks without any router-side configuration) then you cannot control which VLAN the switch gets a DHCP lease from. This is particularly frustrating because I use netwatch on Mikrotik to keep track of which network devices are online (and send notifications) and netwatch cannot do this if the switch doesn't get its DHCP lease from the preferred router. Weirdly, it might sometimes pick up leases behind other routers from networks that are supposed to be isolated, I have no idea how it manages that. The workaround for this is to disable DHCP on all the other VLANs. I didn't try static IPs.

The only times I've had hardware issues with the TP-Link switches is when I connected a smaller 9V adapter for the 16 port switch that needs a 12v adapter.

Overall, they're alright and personally, it was surprising to see that people at r/homelab would recommend such low priced switches.
 
I have a bunch of those easy/smart switches from TP-Link and they're generally reliable with a couple of caveats:

1) If you do a manual IP reassignment for anything connected to the switch, you need to restart the switch, there's no workaround — clearing ARP caches on the router does nothing for the switch.

2) If you have port-based VLAN (which I like because I use the same switch for different networks without any router-side configuration) then you cannot control which VLAN the switch gets a DHCP lease from. This is particularly frustrating because I use netwatch on Mikrotik to keep track of which network devices are online (and send notifications) and netwatch cannot do this if the switch doesn't get its DHCP lease from the preferred router. Weirdly, it might sometimes pick up leases behind other routers from networks that are supposed to be isolated, I have no idea how it manages that. The workaround for this is to disable DHCP on all the other VLANs. I didn't try static IPs.

The only times I've had hardware issues with the TP-Link switches is when I connected a smaller 9V adapter for the 16 port switch that needs a 12v adapter.

Overall, they're alright and personally, it was surprising to see that people at r/homelab would recommend such low priced switches.
These might give you the reason for above:


Also, is this true that on 8 port model only 6 ports are gigabit while the rest 2 ports are 100mbps & 10mbps respectively.
 
These might give you the reason for above:

Wow that explains a lot. I guess it's not worth trying to figure out what works and what doesn't — just use different physical switches for different networks.

Also, is this true that on 8 port model only 6 ports are gigabit while the rest 2 ports are 100mbps & 10mbps respectively.

I have just two of the 8 port ones but they're both running all eight ports at gigabit speeds:

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Stick to amazon seller appario retail for tplink products.
or get from madit infotech bangalore , lt online store , unique computech, delhi .
these 3 stores provude the best rates for any product, they also ship pan india.
Where can I buy L2 managed switches? And what is the cheapest available?
Cheapest I found 7,699rs: https://amzn.in/d/1NLI4jH
I dont want smart managed
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Seems to be cheaper in moglix, is it a trusted site?
 
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