Laptops Broke Macbook Air display - Apple asking 40k
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rsaeon
Patron
Hey, cool, that's a life lesson you got there.
Attached is my own life lesson: the last (new) laptop I bought from Apple — a 17" powerhouse imported from the US that died 23 months later.
Sold it for a quarter of what I paid to someone who was going back to the US. He ended up getting a newer but slower/smaller model through Apple Care.
Attached is my own life lesson: the last (new) laptop I bought from Apple — a 17" powerhouse imported from the US that died 23 months later.
Sold it for a quarter of what I paid to someone who was going back to the US. He ended up getting a newer but slower/smaller model through Apple Care.
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My cousin was sitting on the corner of his bed using his iPad. It was plugged in and the power socket was right above him. His mother asked for the charger, he unplugged and extended the wire towards her. The power brick was lose, it got unplugged and fell on the iPad. That small mistake cost him 28k.
If you buy Apple, you're supposed to take care of it. If you trip with a baby in one hand and apple hardware in the other, protect the apple hardware, baby will heal...
If you buy Apple, you're supposed to take care of it. If you trip with a baby in one hand and apple hardware in the other, protect the apple hardware, baby will heal...
Mohan997
Recruit
Yeah ig. Everyone loves Apple until you want to repair something.
Worst part is I actually just need the LCD display unit. replaced nothing else. But they actually change the entire top half of the laptop for some reason. No other option.
I also read that Apple numbers their parts with serial codes so that a particular part works only with one system. So if I were to purchase and install the display myself, even if it was original, I’ll be losing some display features like True Tone.
Worst part is I actually just need the LCD display unit. replaced nothing else. But they actually change the entire top half of the laptop for some reason. No other option.
I also read that Apple numbers their parts with serial codes so that a particular part works only with one system. So if I were to purchase and install the display myself, even if it was original, I’ll be losing some display features like True Tone.
blr_p
Skilled
That is quite surprising to hear given I did similar with an HP Spectre back in 2017 and its still going strong save for the numbers 0-4 not registering any more. It's on its third battery change currently.
Suppose that was the best you could do.
apple does have international warranty afaik, it didnt work in this case?
It's because they glue everything down instead of using screws. If the repair tech couldn't take it apart properly then the possibility of something breaking apart is higher. Tabs breaking, plastic bits breaking etc. Apple themselves are to be blamed for using glue instead of screws since they did it because they didn't want others to repair their stuff.
they did it for "thinner" and "sleeker" looks, peeps have forgotten why older laptops (and machines in general) are still working and newer ones break even if you look at them wrong. OEMs have been doing away with robustness in the name of "thinner", "sleeker" for years now. I dont have the video on hand but I did see a repair guy on YT discusssing this in the context of laptop hinges and how they have progressively become weaker because OEM's want to reduce more and more space in laptops
The thinner look is the "we are not bad" reason. Just look at pcb's, micro usb or usb c ports inside the laptop - they are all connected to the chassis with screws. Even the security torx bits were designed to stop people from repair. Now they go a step further and match serial numbers on spares so that one spare from one phone cannot be used in another phone without their program.
they found a better way to **** us over, all the ports and everything are soldered to the board now
sauravghosh
Adept
Congrats man. That was really nicely put.
Evil af company. Followed by Google. Followed by everyone else today. Lol.
That was very hilarious. I almost fell down my chair laughing while going thru the post using my iPad.
alap4m
Disciple
If used carefully, Apple products offer really great value for the money. The hardware is robust and reliable. The software experience is top notch.
Interestingly, even the battery in Apple products lasts really long.
However, any drop, breakage, or other damage to the components, and the bills are sky-high.
Apple doesn't consider components or parts as "individual". Break something and the entire part has to be replaced.
Moreover, replacement parts are difficult to buy, and Apple's software attempts to break reliable functions.
Interestingly, even the battery in Apple products lasts really long.
However, any drop, breakage, or other damage to the components, and the bills are sky-high.
Apple doesn't consider components or parts as "individual". Break something and the entire part has to be replaced.
Moreover, replacement parts are difficult to buy, and Apple's software attempts to break reliable functions.
honest1
Skilled
God Bless !
dvader
Adept
This categorically has never been true. Apple makes some pretty good-looking hardware, yes but apart from some early Macs (back when they were still called Macintosh) they have never been a value proposition. The hardware at least in its first year is solid and if money is not an issue you can just ship your device and get it fixed or replaced anywhere in the world and that's all there is to it. Now I have seen both sides of it, We run a few Apple Pro towers as servers and money is not an issue and it's great, but for normal folks it's just a pain in the A**.
My recommendation is to buy stuff thinking that it would go bad just a day after the warranty.
Now if you are talking laptop hardware, nothing beats the Thinkpads and Panasonic Toughbook (and Dell Rugged but they kinda are a tier below if you ask me)
also shit like Flex gate lmfao
anecdotal evidence, Apple doesnt have any unique or better battery tech
rsaeon
Patron
I like it when both sides overreach without actually being incorrect. Time to get into the nuances!
Both statements can be true. You can sell a laptop with 8GB of RAM for 100k and it's terrible value. Support it with software updates for 10 years and it's great value.
My 2012 Macbook Pro works just as well as it did when I built it (another story). I don't know of anyone who has a non-apple laptop from 2012 that's still useful for daily browsing/streaming/spreadsheeting.
Now why that is so, can have a range of explanations. Very few, if any non-Apple laptops were made out of metal in 2012. The ones that were, were workstation replacements that have fixed lifecycles. Consumer non-Apple laptops are always built down to a cost to reach a price point. Plastics eventually degrade. All kinds of skews and biases but the statement remains true: I have a 2012 Apple laptop that works with zero issues in 2024. If I had purchased it new for $2500 back then, it would've been terrible value. But 12 years later it's the best paisa-vasool I've ever seen. Put that aside, I have a 2003 Powerbook G4 that still holds a charge on the original battery.
Granted these are all much older designs and way before Apple's retina/non-upgradeable phase. These days this is more true than ever concerning any company's products, not just Apple's:
As for this:
It's because Apple was one of the first companies to switch completely to lithium polymer cells which have a higher charge cycle rating compared to the 18650's that some non-Apple laptops are still using today. Apple first did this to meet their design targets and then spent a couple of decades iterating them by making super-thin laptops. With LiPo batteries, similar cells are usually matched together due to the nature of their assembly. For 18650 cells, assembly is usually contracted out to whoever has the best deal. But this also means replacements are easier and repairs are possible, which is not true for Apple's batteries.
So you get 500 cycles from a traditional 18650 battery pack or 800 to 1200 with an optimized LiPo battery. My G4 has an 18650-based battery pack, so it's only survived this long because it wasn't used as much.
This was back in 2011:
It was a pretty big deal back then when Apple made that claim. These days however, it's not anything special.
Apple has a few bad apples (ha). The 2011 Macbook Pros had defective nVidia graphics — fascinating recap of events here: https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html
Yeah, my 2012 Macbook Pro is on its fourth battery now.
I didn't have a way to send it back nor did I want to pay customs twice. I was in South America at the time. Plus I had it for two years at the point and Apple dropped the 17" model from their line-up so I wasn't interested in the retina replacements (I had two SSDs in my 17"). I eventually got the 15" non-retina model because of all the money I had spent on apps that I didn't want to repurchase for Windows.
Strangely, it was the quality of third-party macOS software that made me want to pay for software and so I've been paying for every app/program I use since 2011. The only time I've ever returned to the high seas was to recover software I had paid for but then the company discontinued downloads (VSCO for example).
Both statements can be true. You can sell a laptop with 8GB of RAM for 100k and it's terrible value. Support it with software updates for 10 years and it's great value.
My 2012 Macbook Pro works just as well as it did when I built it (another story). I don't know of anyone who has a non-apple laptop from 2012 that's still useful for daily browsing/streaming/spreadsheeting.
Now why that is so, can have a range of explanations. Very few, if any non-Apple laptops were made out of metal in 2012. The ones that were, were workstation replacements that have fixed lifecycles. Consumer non-Apple laptops are always built down to a cost to reach a price point. Plastics eventually degrade. All kinds of skews and biases but the statement remains true: I have a 2012 Apple laptop that works with zero issues in 2024. If I had purchased it new for $2500 back then, it would've been terrible value. But 12 years later it's the best paisa-vasool I've ever seen. Put that aside, I have a 2003 Powerbook G4 that still holds a charge on the original battery.
Granted these are all much older designs and way before Apple's retina/non-upgradeable phase. These days this is more true than ever concerning any company's products, not just Apple's:
As for this:
It's because Apple was one of the first companies to switch completely to lithium polymer cells which have a higher charge cycle rating compared to the 18650's that some non-Apple laptops are still using today. Apple first did this to meet their design targets and then spent a couple of decades iterating them by making super-thin laptops. With LiPo batteries, similar cells are usually matched together due to the nature of their assembly. For 18650 cells, assembly is usually contracted out to whoever has the best deal. But this also means replacements are easier and repairs are possible, which is not true for Apple's batteries.
So you get 500 cycles from a traditional 18650 battery pack or 800 to 1200 with an optimized LiPo battery. My G4 has an 18650-based battery pack, so it's only survived this long because it wasn't used as much.
This was back in 2011:
Apple says new notebook batteries are designed to retain 80% of original capacity after 1000 cycles.
Check Battery Cycle Count on a Mac
If you have a MacBook, MacBook Air, or MacBook Pro, you can check the battery cycle count. This lets you see how many charge and drain cycles have been used on the battery, and gives you an idea of…osxdaily.com
It was a pretty big deal back then when Apple made that claim. These days however, it's not anything special.
Apple has a few bad apples (ha). The 2011 Macbook Pros had defective nVidia graphics — fascinating recap of events here: https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html
Yeah, my 2012 Macbook Pro is on its fourth battery now.
I didn't have a way to send it back nor did I want to pay customs twice. I was in South America at the time. Plus I had it for two years at the point and Apple dropped the 17" model from their line-up so I wasn't interested in the retina replacements (I had two SSDs in my 17"). I eventually got the 15" non-retina model because of all the money I had spent on apps that I didn't want to repurchase for Windows.
Strangely, it was the quality of third-party macOS software that made me want to pay for software and so I've been paying for every app/program I use since 2011. The only time I've ever returned to the high seas was to recover software I had paid for but then the company discontinued downloads (VSCO for example).
dvader
Adept
Allow me to introduce you to my Acer Aspire from 2011 that's still kicking in. It has been through my school years, was up almost 24x7 (minus the holidays) as a server and a gaming laptop to play CS, and it was donated to a family member for some office work. It was worked on thrice between 2011-2023, 1. keyboard replacement (college admission line-->laptop submitted in the hall --> heavy rain --> open window) 2. battery replacement around 2016-17 3. Ram upgrade and another battery replacement 2022-2023.
However, Apple does make solid and unique hardware (whether that's better or value should be discussed on a case-by-case basis). Apple is a great device in an enterprise environment but on the retail consumer side, I am not excited about their approach to turn all their devices into smartphones. But markets do correct themselves in the long run, and as long as the middle class exists (which is forever, I am not some optimistic sucker
) we will always have a healthy demand for normal, repairable tech.