Good then if some one thinks that he can misuse his authority then this is good for such people.
Political dirty tricks 
Tehelka is a staunch BJP critic. Elections are coming up. Take out the chief editor with a scam. Seems to be working quite well.
heās being charged for raping somebody in an elevator (!) gimme a break.
Snoop gate is from the other side. Still a few more months to go before the elections.
Ring side seats for everybody. Let the fun and games begin 
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Iām sure BJP slipped Chow mein in his dinner 
Start reading from here and check out the other sting operations.
Who was the target ? Thereās scores to be settled.
By the new legal definition, what he allegedly did WAS rape.
I thought this was sarcasm. Apparently you are serious. Hope Iām wrong about the latter.
Yea right. BJP forced Mr. Tejpal to write that apology letter. Well done!
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ā¦on a gun point.
yeah, lets see how her case holds up. I donāt believe it. Iām reminded of dominique strauss kahn.
See, when i first heard about this, thought going through my mind was not OMG! this girl got raped, rather it was how did a managing editor of a magazine GET CHARGED for it.
Managing editors donāt usually do that sort of thing and if they wanted to they donāt do it in an elevator at the ripe old age of 50.
If this sexual harrasment then that is different, but theyāre going with rape.
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My impression is that this is a trumped up case.
There is no sarcasm , this business as usual if you want to defame or neutralise opponents. simple as that. Tejpal has used the same ātechinquesā in sting operations before. Youād have thought heād be more careful.
Look, a year from now all this is going to be forgotten, tehelka isnāt going anywhere.
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Heās built up enough enemies over the last decade. BJP is a direct beneficiary here. No party can afford a scandal this close to the elections.
See, this is going to heat up in the coming months, people are going to tell you who to vote for and not. Normal
do i have any proof for any of the above ? none, its just speculation. But then Tejpal hasnāt been convicted either.
Umm.. thatās like saying Presidents donāt have affairs with their interns. & yet we had one openly admit to it ā¦ eventually. We also had a South African captain with a squeaky clean reputation admit to match fixingā¦ eventually. My point : People in authoritative positions are not infallible.
The thread weāre discussing on is about the conviction of parents for murdering their child. I can choose to say āParents donāt usually do that sort of thingā or I can choose to comment based on the merits. (Of course, there are quite a few holes in the Aarushi case & I havenā read the judgment in its entirety & so Iāve refrained from making any comment). My point: Things might seem unbelievable but that doesnāt mean it canāt be.
Ripe age of 50, you say. Well heck, maybe itās a mid-life crisis. Maybe heās always been a sexual predator. Who knows?! As for the elevator & rape, from what I understand, what has transpired (details of which are not yet known) comes under the legal definition of rape. This is after recent amendments to the law. So my understanding is the act might have been deemed molestation/assault but for the recent amendments.
Yes, post the leaked email, I can buy into the theory that BJP is trying to target Tejpal, get back at him, gain political mileage etc. Who knows? Maybe the internal email was leaked by them!?!
But if the implication is that this was a āhoney trapā kind of entrapment, then Iām not biting. This is because in his response to the email, TT has effectively admitted to the charge.
Whatever the internal email written by the victim states, be it harassment or assault or molestation, he has admitted to just that. His reply is also in writing. So it is not as if itās something one might blurt out in the heat of the moment. An email is a well thought out response. & itās a managing editor, not some poor illiterate chap whoās signed on a piece of paper he knows nothing about.
My theory is that TT crossed the line; the lady complained to Shoma C.; SC told TT that she has to be seen to be taking some action: so it has to be either a committee as per Vishaka guidelines or atonement; TT opted for the latter thinking itāll be enoughā¦ but everything blew up in his face!
Same here.
PS: Whether or not TT gets convicted or this turns out to be entrapment, he is still a sick man. Besides his admission, in his plea he also said that the act was consensual.
So basically he is cheating on his wife with a lady who is the same age (friends in fact!) as his daughter, at the ripe old age of 50! Now please donāt anybody tell me that that isnāt sick!
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Fine. Not infallible just not altogether plausible.
My comments on Tejpal are to be taken seperately. Somebody asked i replied.
Donāt want to commingle with Arushi as it leads to a contradiction.
Whatever the gaziabad court said i expect will be overturned in the high court and if not then in the supreme court. There is no evidence to convict. It was a closed case and then re-opened on request ? why
To clear oneās name, one has to go the distance.
We know little as to details just a few snippets We are told it fits in the ālegal defintionā, so try him and convict and letās see how that ālegal definitionā holds up.
As a result of heightened publicity about rape, the quick fix was more stringent laws. Hello, we already have enough laws, the problem was always about process and securing convictions. And even deeper when you get into society. But we need to be told our rape situation has improved and this case is proof. With the wave of a magic wand. See, a big editor has been brought to book.
Not saying BJP did it, saying BJP will benefit from it. There are enough people with axes to grind against Tejpal and his publication. Tactically, this is very neat as heās out of the game until the elections conclude.
What did he admit to and how does it prove he raped her.
So i read that email, and its not rape. See her reply.
Molestation and untoward advances aka sexual harassment, well defined and understood. not rape.
If sheās pushing for sexual harassment then she may have a case. Not anything more.
Cāmon, how many men fantasise about getting off with a woman half their age. Treat the wife, treat somebody elseās wife, its a lot more fun if you donāt get caught
If it is consensual, and if both parties are of legal age, then there isnāt anything sick in it. The age difference may be a preference for some people.
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But thatās not what you said earlier. You said this is a ploy by BJP to take Tejpal out. I donāt dispute the fact that taking him out helps BJP but claiming BJP is framing Tejpal in this case is just ridiculous. Also, I donāt know if you have read what happened inside the lift. My blood boiled when I read about it. I am not totally sure that what I read is 100% true, but the CCTV footage that police have gotten from Hyatt seems to confirm that what the girl is saying is indeed true.
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@blr_p From what I know the judge hearing the anticipatory bail plea has said in her order that it is 1. Prima facie a case of custodial rape & 2. Tejpalās email itself shows that it was not consensual. So I hope this will make you change your stand as regards these 2 points. Of course, we might argue that the judge is biased/media trial etc. but shouldnāt we go by the principle that the judiciary is independent?
I never meant to co-relate the Aarushi case to any of my arguments. It was just meant to serve as an example that strange things can happen. Yes, maybe I shouldnāt have dragged this particular case. But there are plenty of others.
My line of argument was to counter your points that this case (viz. Tejpal) is highly improbable. But despite that you still reply: [quote=āblr_p, post:31, topic:220973ā]
Fine. Not infallible just not altogether plausible.
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So I take it you are not convinced. So letās just agree to disagree.
Donāt know what youāre driving at here. Yes, my statement is a morally driven statement. So it will always be subjective based upon the value system one chooses to adopt, unlike law. So again, letās agree to disagree.
I said cheating on his wife. Arenāt you forgetting that?
So itās fine by me if all 3 consent. It may not fit within my value system but Iāll admit itās their personal matter & I have no right to judge.
ok. As a result of reading the emails the conspiracy angle seems weaker. something i should have admitted yesterday.
This is a text description of what happened in the lift. You canāt rape someone in two minutes, that too in an open lift.
Sexual harassment, not rape.
Wonāt argue on the underlined part, no biased judge and i agree the judiciary is independent. Iāve learned to ignore whatever the media says.
I donāt agree on the word rape being used here as it has very strong connotations. My point is donāt go on what the charges are, go on what the judgement pending a successful trial says. People can be charged with anything, the only thing that matters is what can be proved. Courts are not about truth, they are about what can be proved. That will take many months. letās see how many here will track it and post when that happens.
Will we get a case or will this be settled outside court remains to be seen. if this journalist is on a crusade to make a point about sexual harrassment then no consideration of any amount will convince her to drop her complaint.
Yeah, its sad she has to go but its the responsible thing. given the situation.
Have always appreciated her inputs on any tv debates iāve watched in the past.
I mean seriously is wife swapping a fashion in high society right? It always ends in a sorrow wayā¦
Haha and you would know this how?
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