In average pleb’s mind he should be.
My first question is, why you are so bothered about this than him than his wives ?
Captain Save a Hoe ?
Or something else ?
Aren’t those women supposedly more capable than you ? I mean, I would be at the minimum discussing about their pro-genies now than him now (I never knew or bother about his brothers, lol) ? What matters, huh ? lol…
Looks doesn’t matter, power defines.
To know if all the brothers follow the same route to success . Especially when the guy says “ Trust me “
His brothers own a bigger share than he does in the company .
Remember the Chaiwala thingie which we all fell for ?
The CEO on social media framing privacy and encryption requests as someone wanting to hide affairs or be a terrorist is all you need to know about why you should NEVER install Arartai lol
I have Used following Zoho Apps:
Both are good imo
If those brothers own the shares and are inventive, they are protecting their interest.
SEBI requires %age of women as board members for listed companies, partly a reason why he don’t want to list shares of his company.
Chaiwala’s case is different, he did whatever possible in a corrupt a**ed country as ours, so there is that. Am neither pro or against him, rather neutral.
We are a capitalistic enonomy apparently, if they want us to use Zoho let them make good products and sell value instead of begging for pity downloads using nationalism
Zoho was tad well known in IT circle even otherwise for being affordable and okayish products. Internationally, there is some alienating temperament because the product is from India.
You are right, if they are good product, no need for sentimental marketing
Most revenues of Zoho are from Overseas . Zoho worksheets are good and that is the only product info I have about Zoho .
So making money elsewhere and creating a ruckus in India claiming Nationalism does not bode well for Zoho in the international market .
My previous company used Zoho People, which was an HRMS with payroll integration. It worked quite well, and we had no complaints. Then they switched to some garbage called ZingHR, and that’s when I began to appreciate the former more.
I also used Zoho Analytics there. It didn’t feel very intuitive, but it did the job. Never looked forward to using it. Looker Studio was much better and felt way easier to use for data analysis and visualisation.
Overall, they felt like decent “middle of the road” products with alright prices.
Zoho feel like good value for money products, but if they have to market themself for pity downloads as they are doing now (not to mention the fact that there are alot of privacy concerns due to their tightness with gov now) means as a company they are not that respectable
Don’t think Zoho actually want pity downloads, for India it’s a political statement to current USA’s monkey-wrench attitude. Zoho was fine earlier much before this fiasco, however the owner had political affiliations which is being utilized.
I suppose, its more of helping the government than helping zoho thats true.
Yep, mutual back scratching…
Disclaimer: I work for Zoho, but opinions are of my own and not of Zoho.
Zoho has been around since 1999 (back then they had a different name). Yes, our primary market is outside India but we have been an affordable alternative to foreign (often overpriced due to lack of regional pricing) products since day 1. That is a feat in and itself. US government cannot order Zoho to stop catering critical infrastructure software to India or any of its companies but companies like Google and Microsoft have to (they have literally done so in the past). I have had my EU tech friends be really jealous of such self sufficiency while educated Indians are skeptical and looking down, alas we can’t do anything about it, only time will say.
Sridhar is not the CEO, his official designation is “Chief Research Scientist” within Zoho, but he is often the image of the company.
Devs working for Zoho have a better quality of life than VC backed devs, primarily because Sridhar is a tech geek himself (hes a lurker and contributor in a lot of tech related forums - something I find very admirable about him). Our products take time and patience and we genuinely care about what we push out to the world. Engineering culture is one of the best (I have worked in American giants before Zoho).
Frankly i’m happy that India is finally recognizing the importance of homegrown alternatives, its literally one of the reasons why I’m into self hosting. I don’t want to wake up one day and have all of my work lost because some leader in a foreign country decided I shouldn’t exist.
One of the best parts about Zoho is how we really really care about you as a customer. Have you ever tried reaching out to Google or Microsoft? Goodluck even trying to, they don’t care about you unless you have billions of dollars to shell out but we do. Zoho support is honestly why customers choose us. We take feature requests and incorporate it if its sane and doable. We criticize and improve our products internally (and ask our users to do so as well).
As for security and privacy, we do not have access to your data. A lot of our tech is made from scratch. We do not rely on infrastructure providers like AWS etc, we run our own AWS internally - every popular tech out there, we rolled out a forked (or built from scratch) custom version for our internal use. Theres dedicated internal teams that work on and maintain these custom frameworks that other product teams rely on, because of this, any vulnerability is often caught.
I can’t comment on Sridhar’s personal life (I don’t see how its relevant to the picture) but he is a philanthropist, has adopted many schools and provides a way for them to work their way up - name any Indian billionaire who does this except Tata ji, not just for PR reasons.
Is Zoho not registered in the USA ? Infy , Wipro , TCS all follow the dikat of the West and institutions like World bank , IMF to sell their software . Wipro , Sify at some point of time even got banned by the world bank or IMF . If the USA can stop Microsoft , it can very well stop Zoho or any other entity . Even the ones registered in India and have a US market .
You are saying we are self sufficient and EU is not . The products that Zoho has , alternative software is easily available . At least most of them . The hosting is cheaper in the EU than in India . I am unable to follow your line , can you elaborate please ?
Forget the Arattai one . What other products are home grown alternatives ? How do they differ from Open source alternatives ? Like the Ulaa browser which I read up online seems to be a fork of chromium and packaged with open source ad blocking software .
If one is a business user Google does respond . This is a personal experience though .
Is Zoho not registered in the USA ? Infy , Wipro , TCS all follow the dikat of the West and institutions like World bank , IMF to sell their software . Wipro , Sify at some point of time even got banned by the world bank or IMF . If the USA can stop Microsoft , it can very well stop Zoho or any other entity . Even the ones registered in India and have a US market .
Zoho’s official headquarters is in India, for all intents and purposes, we are an Indian company.
All the WITCH companies are service based, they exist and depend on foreign clients, Zoho is a product based company - we have products that customers trust and buy. The US government can advise its businesses to not buy Zoho’s products, but it cannot govern Zoho on how its dealing with its other customers.
US can stop microsoft because… they are an US company.
We have been actively increasing market in other countries/regions as well.
If all these people trust Zoho, why is it so hard for Indians to support it? Istg I don’t understand our logic. People proudly give their data away to foreign companies but not to one that many foreign clients trust.
You are saying we are self sufficient and EU is not . The products that Zoho has , alternative software is easily available . At least most of them . The hosting is cheaper in the EU than in India . I am unable to follow your line , can you elaborate please ?
WDYM hosting is cheap? EU infra companies have a greater market compared to ones in India. So they can afford to provide services at a certain rate because they have volume. Indian infra providers do not have such a huge volume of customers. Indian businesses that have foreign clients HAVE to have their data in EU or the US for compliance but Indians do not care (I’m asking you to care! demand your data to be within India’s boundaries).
There is no alternative like microsoft or google in the Europe. There might be thousands of small companies for each niche but not one that rules everything like Zoho does. Imagine buying 10 subscriptions (each with their own terms and clauses, SLA etc etc) versus buying just one!
Forget the Arattai one . What other products are home grown alternatives ? How do they differ from Open source alternatives ? Like the Ulaa browser which I read up online seems to be a fork of chromium and packaged with open source ad blocking software .
Just look up Zoho’s suite of products for your business 
For Ulaa, Zoho plans to do a press release soon, wait for what company has to say. I can only share publicly available information and my own opinions.
Reiterating I do not represent Zoho in this forum, just a passionate tech geek who wants India to be self sufficient.
If one is a business user Google does respond . This is a personal experience though .
No . Wrong . All the companies have products . TCS has Tally for sure . Infy has Finacle . In fact I brought up the world bank and IMF imposition because banks were forced to use Finacle . Most banks in Africa use Finacle . https://www.finacle.com/client-stories/
US govt can blacklist any company at will . Mighty Huawei got blacklisted on spying charges . While I do not want something happening to an Indian company , point is US has the power to do .
Not because it is a US company . If it wants to it can . At the same point of time if Microsoft has competition then US will make sure the company is preferred in contracts . You can see that happening with Intel . US recently invested in Intel when the company went south .
Yes , Africa is good . I am there in Africa and I can see a good rate of adoption . What about disruption ? When a company plays nationalism in India and a new company in Africa pops up with similar products and cries nationalism how do you defend your position ?
Because they will make close down the company if they find any data breaches and impose heavy fines . In India nothing can be done , especially given the political leanings . People will trust a neutral company or person for business . One cannot expect people to Trust just because it is an Indian company .
If foreign clients are not needed no need to comply . Will any company survive with only Indian clients ? I am talking about software development companies . Not these zomato and blinkit ones .
India has laws for companies to store data on Indian servers .
Data protection laws in India - Data Protection Laws of the World
Not every business needs all the services or software . I am sure there are companies which specialise in their core strengths and not concentrate on a bouquet of software . But the point is valid . One stop solution is always a good idea .
I am trying to brainstorm and understand the fizz and bubble with Zoho . Please do not take my comments on a personal level .
I have a personal experience with whatsapp.
A friend’s father updated whatsapp app on his phone and the app went to factory default. After that if he tries to sign in he won’t receive any otp. OTP works fine from all other apps except whatsapp. Other sim in the same phone works fine, and if we use that sim in some other phone, same issue, no otp from whatsapp.
We tried contacting Airtel, they confirmed no issues as other sms and otp are working.
We tried reaching out to whatsapp but even after days of trying there was not real response from any human.
All messages and photos shared over years all gone with no way to get it back.
Ultimately he had to leave it there and get a new number just to use whatsapp.
That day I learnt that until these apps work they work fine but if there is any such problem, there won’t be any help.
I moved to nextcloud talk for all family messaging and left whatsapp just for unimportant group chats.
We are only a capitalistic economy if you are poor or middle class.
If you are rich, we are more socialist than Cuba or USSR.
To be fair the other day a DTDC parcel was not delivered . I started the chat on the browser . No human . Tried calling the helpline . No human .