The first one I posted is the minimum required.
Nitecore MT1A Pro
It’s multifunctional.
Others are more powerful and specialised for tactical but cost more
Interesting thing with edc33 is it can do both spot and flood. The only downside is the battery is built in and not replaceable
At 4,000 lumens and 400m throw you can use it to immobilise intruders let alone dogs
Thanks. It’s out of my budget at 8k. Will look at the cheaper one.
Above video is with the [Fenix TK16V2](’
Fenix TK16 V2 LED Torch, 3100 Lumen Rechargeable Powerful Torch India – LightMen’
)
An Indian youtuber left a comment under this video saying that it doesn’t work with dogs in his area and that’s with the below torch (TK20RV2) that puts out 56k candelas. Or a good 20k more than the above video
These torches are law enforcement grade. So I don’t know how strays can be immune to it. One thing to be sure is torches only work with strays at nighttime. They aren’t much use in daytime.
He said he’d put out a video with dogs. Here’s his channel
Since he plays with generics as well as branded he’s the right person to ask for budget torches that aren’t totally crap
Thanks left him a message on reddit
Missed a couple of lights that are ideal for this dog deterrence application or any self defense for that matter
There are just two settings. 50 lumens and turbo. Quick and easy one hand operation. Small enough to be pocketed.
You walk along with 50 if any dogs show up one click and its on turbo.
Or from off they start on turbo. Tactical settings.
^reaches 360m at 1000 lumens with 32.5k cd intensity
^reaches 520m at 1,800 lumens with 67k cd intensity. Better one due to bigger battery
If you [bought](’
) this in the US after tax and shipping it’s just Rs.500 less.
Check the reviews for how long it holds on turbo
Both are fairly new having come out less than a year back
Hey @@blr_p , if you don’t mind, could you share which flashlights you own, and what you use them for?
Two old ones from a decade ago.
Fenix LD15 R4 - AA Flashlight - Buy Fenix LD15 R4 in India | Lightorati’
)
Fenix LD01 Keychain Light - Buy Fenix LD01 R4 Torch in India | Lightorati’
)
Keychain lights you have with you always. Random power cuts means streetlights out and if there are open sewers or roadwork you will know where to and not place your feet.
These days people use mobiles for this but the light is quite dim, very floody and more useful indoors than outdoors
On a dimly lit road I dangle the keychain light switched on while walking so oncoming traffic can easily see me. Also great for telling people how to find you at night in a crowded place.
Headlamps are useful when no power indoors or out as hands free. Also great when doing any close up work or inspections. And I mean indoors during daytime with all lights on. You won’t miss a thing.
You will wonder how you managed without it.
Uses rechargeable AA batteries but the runtime are fairly short unless using with low lumens
^18650s means longer runtimes at higher lumens. Has both flood with neutral light which is great for close up work or spot for further but I’ve used spot at close distance and it worked as well
[Thrunite T1](’
)
^Great UI with eco or turbo only a click away and ramping light so you can have the light at whatever level you want
[Thrunite T1S ](’
https://www.amazon.in/ThruNite-T1S-V2-Flashlights-Rechargeable/dp/B0CC26JP88’
)
^same UI but more throw
These thrunite use 18350 lithiums giving a good runtime for their size.
Notice the belt clips. They are two way so can be attached to a cap and becomes a headlamp. Not as good as a real headlamp but it’s an extra use case.
Next torch will be a EDC/tactical with enough candelas to deter dogs. Number of options but finding the right mix of function vs ease of carry is tricky. To get those high lumens without heating quickly means a bigger head bezel but a bigger head is less pocketable than a smaller head.
A couple of accessories create more options
^tactical grip
^allows to angle the light while it’s on your belt. More useful than a standard holster.
You can see why I prefer branded. All these flashlights deliver and are reliable. The generic stuff is really a waste of money when you can have the real thing. But you have to nail your use case to benefit and that might take more than one attempt.
All Chinese brands. But really good quality. World beating for what they are. Cheaper options and decent exist abroad but not here. And when I check Amazon I notice they are less reliable than brands like Fenix.
Thank you. I asked because I thought you may be living outside India, but you also posted about using flashlights as a means of protecting from dogs.
I really like the idea of using flashlights for protecting from dogs, something kids can also use. Before I saw your post, I was thinking of carrying a expandable baton of some sort, flashlights seems a better approach.
I need to buy at least 4 of these high lumen ones (to gift to family members as well as for my own use), hence I was hesitant to buy Nitecore or Fenix ones (because of higher price). Considering your points, I will buy from one of these brands some time in the near future, since flashlight is something that should work reliably when we need it.
Regarding Philips flashlights: I wasn’t aware earlier when I posted about the Philips flashlights, but it looks like Philips is no longer a name one can blindly trust. I was looking for emergency lamps and came across 2 Philips models in Amazon [here](’
). Amazon Basics has the exact same models [here](’
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B0D9CR8474’
). So there is a good chance Philips is just rebranding stuff at this point, or may be its not even the Philips company, but someone else using their name (like Blaupunkt, as I learned from [here](’
The Android Head-Unit buying guide - Page 22 - Team-BHP’
), quoted below).
It’s always good to have a fallback option and a stick is an excellent choice. Weerapat says in his comments there have been times he has stomped on the ground, waved his hands in the air to appear larger and even shouted back. The difficult part here is not to show fear.
How do you teach that?
The trouble here is the dogs are defending their territory and we are the intruders.
^day time option?
Reliability also factors in when choosing branded flashlights. Some designs are longer lasting or more reliable than others.
You would be better off experimenting on your own before gifting anything.
Unless the torch is of a sufficient lumens with candela it won’t be blinding enough.
Where will you get this information from generics?
The only way is to test on yourself.
^he gets a friend to test on himself. Can the flashlight stop him from a car’s distance which is ideal or not? Tries various models with varying success.
30k candela isn’t enough unless closer than a cars length. The end result is a flashlight that can put out about 40k candela. But also not too high as then the hotspot is smaller
Can’t get the one he recommends in India but there’s a few suitable models from Fenix or Nitecore that will be good enough.
If you had a proper flashlight that can put out that amount then you have a reference with which to compare cheaper flashlights.
The Phillips lights are quite bulky for what they put out.
Those are the parameters you will have to consider.
thinking of getting one to flash in the eyes of drivers of on coming vehicles with blinding white LEDs.
Some quirks about light parameters to be aware of
To double range the candela has to increase 4x
So if lumen is only twice as much you won’t perceive much increase in brightness
Technically, brightness went up 50% and will be measured that way but to your eyes the difference will be subtle.
Lumens are directly linked to candela. If one changes so does the other
Cheap for a reason and defended on enthusiast sites for just that reason. Granted their UI’s are ahead of others but you sacrifice reliability. And that’s where the more expensive brands like Fenix come in
https://www.reddit.com/r/flashlight/s/xOycPGC2QF
That whole discussion is quite an eye opener
[HR][/HR]
Another article about budget LED’s. Not related to Wurkkos of course but the generics you find on Amazon and rebrands like Phillips
Finally found a review for a similar generic with the same XHP70.2 emitter.
Amazed at how low the real lumens output is vice claims.
Real junk o_O
He recommends Thrunite but those tend to be overpriced here compared to abroad.
Nobody or very few are willing to import budget priced torches with acceptable quality.
Could a strobe app on a phone work to deter dogs?
Here is the pattern I programmed
Run a 15Hz strobe 5 times followed
By a 12Hz strobe 5 times followed
By a 10Hz strobe 5 times
Save that as a pattern and save it looped. Then look under the widget tab and let it create this widget on your home screen.
When you want to run the strobe, preferably at night, click the widget and point ypur flash at some dogs and see if it does anything.
You can also use the screen as a strobe if you want instead of the flash and see if that does anything. It’s a much larger area.
The phone flash is quite weak but you try looking at that strobe and see whether it annoys you or not. For added effect, move your hand in a circle creating this swirling effect.. see how that screws with your vision 
You can tweak the pattern all you want and try different combos
One dog deterrent device I found had a strobe set to 11.65 Hz. You can set that up to loop and have a shortcut. But I thought of adding slightly varying frequencies as some of the tactical lights have these days
Post your experiences here
Was looking at comments on that Thai guys channel and some were saying they don’t have this dog problem in the west. Depends were
This from a cyclist in Texas and what he faces on a cycle is way more scary. Same problem in other rural areas of TX, LA, MI, AL & FL.
All happens during day time so different ways have to be used
Here is one candidate to try for dog deterrence
If those lumens and range are close then the 368m range works out to 34k candela.
How reliable are the figures from Phillips?
Here is a video demo from Amazon US of another Phillips model
That torch measured to 145k candela with the zoom lens according to the below test
Note how the brightness drops with time. With that so will candela.
So the figures aren’t too far off.
Ideally for dog deterence a candela of 40-60k and lumens of 1-2k is good enough.
That phillips just makes it. But it’s quite bulky.
I went with the Fenix TK05R and am considering getting the Nitecore P23i as well.
Energizer used to have some really nice industrial grade rugged torches, they had good throw and also brightness, you can try to find them. You might want to try the local market as well, most companies by them for inspections and all.
To my surprise this can work too but the lumens need to be over 1,500 to be effective and strobe is required to boost the effect
The Wurkkos TS 10 is 1,400 lumens for just 4k candelas. Doubt this would work without the strobe. The available equivalent is the Fenix E18
This torch along with the MT1A Pro by Nitecore posted earlier are the bare minimum. May work with some and not with others. So you would need some stick to wave in that case. More powerful torches are always preferable.
1,050 lumens but candela at 48k. This is equivalent to the Fenix TK05R I have
Got any links?
At that price I’ll believe the specs but there are better options
Specs say 1,200 lumens at 200m which works out to 10k candela. Borderline for this application.
The one I bought doesn’t seem to be available online,
however check this out too.
