To state a fact that many British colonies were given self governence without any freedom struggle.Before British came there was no India British united more than 1200 small states and made British India.The social conditions in india were very pathetic and that gave them foothold.Moreover there is no culture or lanuage that unites everyone as Indians.
This is a very strongly debatable but yes , when British started setting foot in India. We were small kingdoms fighting among ourselves but before the invaders there has been native people who did created the Bharat kingdom which went as far as Afghanistan to Bay of Bengal.
So its not like we never had concept of Bharat(India)
Ofcourse then the Mughals came and so did other invaders and things begin to change drastically.
But even then Maratha Kingdom came and then Sikh also fought back and Defeated Afghanistan . So we were fighting back and taking back before British came and played the game well.
Had the British not come. I think Sikh Empire would have probably taken full control of Afghanistan .
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The freedom was will worth it!
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1 thing I am grateful to the British is that where ever they colonised , they made sure English was adopted . Which ever country one travels to , Indians have no issues communicating .
English isnât some special language. Itâs popular only because of colonization of British arcoss the world.
In an alternate timeline had it been French who were successful colonizers at the same scale, I would have typed this message in French.
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Nothing special . All I am saying is that it eased travel , business and information exchange .
Atleast you admitting that congress sold India way back.
Was before BJP , India a well developed country? and Dollar rate was 1INR= 1USD. I dont know.
Because people project current condition of India in such a way that as if India was like Sweden and Norway before BJP came and ruined everything.
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In 1947, 1 USD was equal to âš3.30, and today it is âš88.27 The Rupee has depreciated with time because of a variety of factors: Indiaâs rising trade deficits, dependency on imports (mainly oil), FDI outflows, inflation rates higher than those in the US, limited export competitiveness, etc.
Yes . The very idea that everything is ruined just because of BJP is so wrong.
Again I am not saying Modi is doing a great job or anything even close to that.) atleast not till now)
But India had never had any golden period after independence anyways.
Only 1990s when economy was liberated and foreign investments came . Things did look up but that was natural course of economy action that had to be taken due to globalized world.
Lot of people give too much credit to Manmohan on that. I have tremendous respect for that man btw. But just saying he didnât exactly did anything extraordinary.
I am all for good discussion on this too and okay to be corrected if I am wrong.
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Manmohan Singh is a brilliant economist but he was never given a free hand because of Sonia and now Modi is doing the rest to bring US dollar to Rupee value to âš100 sooner or later.
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You have to understand where that those thought is coming out of the horrible conditions of the country even today.
Yes we would have never been okay under British but there is no doubt even now after almost 80 years âŚWe are still so messed up.
Just today i read Lalu Yadavâs 2004 case with IRCTC scam.
Was opened in 2017.
Chargesheet today.
Just look at the joke the system is playing .
20 years he was able to enjoy this scam and even now this is just being dragged.
Not one big guy ever goes to jail or serves his punishment even after judgement is passed.
Everything is a joke in this country.
Winston Churchill had said this for India when they were discussing Independence.
- âIf Independence is granted to India, power will go to the hands of rascals, rogues, freebooters; all Indian leaders will be of low calibre and men of straw. They will have sweet tongues and silly hearts. They will fight amongst themselves for power and India will be lost in political squabbles.
We proved him right.
That is the reason . I still have lot of respect for him because he was never completely free even as PM of the country. The Gandhi family wanted him to be just their puppet .
he otherwise was a genuine and honest person. Just couldnt do much to stop all the scams under UPA.
In geo politics one has to concede a few to achieve something bigger . When India got independence we did not even have the capacity to make a nail or a safety pin .
Institutional development happened . IIT , AIIMS , PSU
Ours was an agricultural economy and we were able to move into industrialization
Followed a non -alignment policy
2 full blown wars were fought .
Food deficit was very high and with strategic investments in rice , technology we were able to solve food shortages .
Today India is a leading supplier of food products and also exports a huge percentage of our agricultural production .
Indira Gandhi nationalised banks /Industrial developement banks were established . SEZ were established .
Congress took India when it was at absolute 0 to wherever it was in 2014 .
âUnited Bharatâ historically refers to periods when most of the Indian subcontinent was under one political authority. After the Mauryas under Ashoka in the 3rd century BCE and the Guptas in the 4thâ6th centuries CE, no ruler fully unified the subcontinent until the Mughal. Babur (founder of the Mughals) defeated Ibrahim Lodi in 1526, which was the last external military conquest that resulted in durable subcontinental unification under a foreign-origin dynasty. Beginning with the Battle of Plassey (1757) and ending with the Indian Rebellion of 1857 was the phase of British expansion under the East India Company, but this was achieved gradually through annexation rather than a single conquest of a united states. From 1858 till 1947 was the period of direct British Crown rule, known as the British Raj, after the East India Company was dissolved. Although World War II ended in 1945, the British remained in India until its independence in 1947, and devided the subcontinent into India and Pakistan.
âConcede a few to achieve something biggerâ sounds good until it becomes âfooling people for personal gain.â After M. K. Gandhi, the people in that family were neither blood-related to him nor raised by M. K. Gandhi or Kasturba Gandhi. Indira was good (debatable) because of her practical experience with politics from a young age, and in my opinion, she was the last politician who thought about the country and its people (extremely personal opinion; kindly donât quote me on this). Sonia wasnât, and never is, Indian in any wayâthe same way a wife doesnât become the daughter of the house (exceptions may exist).
Itâs easy to write on a blank paper and make it good, but correcting whatâs already written requires expertise. If you follow someone elseâs instructions for correction, it may look good in the short term, but in the long run, it may result in disaster. The INC as a party is no better or worse (debatable) than the BJP, and I donât think any party ever will be. Every party comes to power with an agenda that they donât reveal to the masses. Problem is that this agenda is always personal gain through exploitiong masses.
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So according to you Congress compromising with Indiaâs position as a free nation was a masterstroke. hmm.
What was India till 2014? Was India A developed nation by 2014?
while we are at it..letâs also talk -How about terrorism in kashmir, What about unrest in Punjab, what about North-East unrest ( which is even till today)
what about all the scams from Share market scams to Bofors to Railways to Commonwealth to 2G .
And as much as people keep blaming Adani and Ambani thing on to BJP.
People forget Ambani were making it big already since Congress time and had full support of many Congress leaders backing in those days.
Shah Bano case showed votebank and pleasing politics back then too. They sacrificed justice system for their vote bank.
âNo One killed Jessicaâ is a case that I have actually read multiple times and studied and those lines even today making me feel horrible . Imagine having so much power by then Union minister to literally turn every witness and every single evidence hostile . That it took tremendous public pressure to bring that guy to justice.
And you forgetting the war we lost against China.
What about underworld becoming so powerful that they could challenge not just a state but whole country and easily get out of the country even after bombing and killing thousands.
China was even worse than India . They both got independent in around same time.
. Have you compared their growth ? forget about 79 years just in the last 35 years?
Germany rose being one of the poorest nation in Europe in 1930s to become a military superpower rising against biggest empire in history and bringing it down within 6 years.
Fact is if Germans can do it, Japan can do it , China a nation almost 2.5 times the size of India can do it and become develop nations. We Indians should have become one by now.
The intention of our political parties whether Congress or BJP is never to see a well developed nation. They want to just keep holding on to their powers as long as they can .
Indians are used to being slaves in one form or another.
Our political parties have understood this well. They will never bring about any big change in this country that will really turn around things for the people and hurt them.
So no use blaming all the miseries of this country on one party alone that has only 11 years in power while easily letting go another party that took charge of the nation for almost 70 years.
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I donât know why people have this tunnel vision. Everyone quotes MMS as this savior of Indian economy and how we should praise great congress leaders.
Everybody conveniently forgets to ask why we were in that situation, question the competence of leaders until then and understand that the leaders before were shit and have mismanaged the country & its economy to the brink of ruin.
So, yes Congress âsavedâ the country from 0 twice. First when the british looted us and then doing that again with their own incompetence. The 2014 situation wasnât any better. India was one of the fragile five economies[1]. Had they continued, there was a good possibility that we would have done a hat-trick and had an third chance at starting from near zero.
That isnât really praise worthy or even second chance worthy by any measure.
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On the topic, when you catch a thief after stealing, thrash him and he drops the stolen items and runs away, there are two ways to report this.
If you want to be charitable to the thief, we can say the thief âgave backâ the stolen items and left or we can say the thief ran way after being caught and thrashed.
As far as Iâm concerned, India became independent. Iâm certain the British didnât give us anything including independence out of pity for any old man.
It was not out of pity but out of their own desperation and not exactly much to ours( I am not saying our freedom fighters sacrifices were in wain but it was made less effective due to various factions trying to gain independence on their own ways instead of united struggle)
Does it make a difference? Yes it does. Look how respectfully and head held high they left.
They refuse to return Kohinoor adding to insult as if it belongs to them.
It is not about the Diamond but about how they still see themselves as best thing to happen to India.
They refuse to apologize for Jalian wala bagh. they refuse to apologize for Bengal famine .
Poland is forcing Germany to pay reparation of $1.3 Trillion for just 6 years of German rule.
India was ruled for over 200 years by british is not even asking for its treasures that are stolen to be returned and apology for above events.
Thatâs exactly what I was saying. We gave a chance for the thief to leave as a good guy returning items.
For some unknown reasons, congress has a tendency to whitewash crimes that involves invaders or colonizers and glorifies their rule. The propping up of the old man as the sole saviour of the country and subsuming his name is for their own selfish reasons essentially building a dynasty within a democracy while fooling billion plus people.
That is how we ended up with some people entertaining the idea that british rule was net positive for India.
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