Petition To Stop Indian Railways Wasting Tax Payers Money on Windows.

@dhiru and @main_trouble

Please read these articles and you’l understand what all of us are saying..They maybe a bit blunt..Not for the weak hearted linux fanbois.. :face_with_tongue:

Linux Hater’s Blog: Why Linux is NOT Better.com

Linux Hater’s Blog: At least we don’t have any viruses

Linux Hater’s Blog: Good software isn’t really free

Linux Hater’s Blog: The fallacy of choice

Linux Hater’s Blog: Lusers make me laugh ver. 1

Linux Hater’s Blog: Lusers make me laugh ver. 2

Linux Hater’s Blog: Evolution of an Ubuntu user

Linux Hater’s Blog: Of silos and samba

Linux Hater’s Blog: Wild rationalizations

Linux Hater’s Blog: Feel the source

Linux Hater’s Blog: Don’t feed the trolls!
And i think Lord nemesis has explained everything correctly, these links take his explanation further..:slight_smile:
Please dont repeat the same things again and again, if anything, atleast give some concrete reasons..

If you are stil bent upon it even after this then you guys are beyond reason.. :no_entry:

Rehne do yaar. Jab logo ka dimag hi phira ho to beeen bajan se kya fayeda :expressionless:

@Lord Nemesis : Really Linux will cost more than Windows.. :rofl: Even if they opti for Enterprise Ed. Support they won’t even get closer to Windows price :face_with_tongue:

dude i have seen those links long time ago.
actually that is one of the funniest blogs ever.i am a regular there.
dude u forgot one thing.
that blog is actually made made by a linux programmer(obvious from his knowledge of code/bugs submisssion , upstream/downstream stuff)

he just wants to point out how linux still has a way to go for normal desktop user( i believe ubuntu is just there IMHO) and trying to point out too much of politics in linux now a days.

another thing.

all the links u sent were from just one blog!!!

go and google “why linux is better than windows”
u will find more blogs/links/articles than u could ever study/imagine. :face_with_tongue:

bro never generalize.

those supporting linux haven’t said anything bout u or ur dimag.

this is thread bout a serious thing.
but linux vs windows always brings out kinda os-patriotism from people and that is fully understood as long as they don’t resort to personal attacks.

let this be a sensible thread . but os wars will always bring some fun with them;)

still we must never have any personal attacks on anyone.

@dark star..

no offense dude.. but what makes you think that you might know more about this than people who are actually IN the field?

Lol you silly I didn’t meant you guys :face_with_tongue: My point was towards our Literate Ministers :face_with_tongue:

I know but what i also noticed were some verry relevant points..

Isnt that actually bad for linux in this debate?? :face_with_tongue:
Linux programmer blowing all the linux fanboi’s most precious arguments into peices with sane logic and reality and proof..
Here’s the blogs title “We hate Linux. And you should too.”

Linux Hater’s Blog: Evolution of an Ubuntu user :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Linux Hater’s Blog: Why Linux is NOT Better.com And they would all give me the same rants that most linux fanboi’s sing around..
And what sort of argument is that?? Am i supposed to give hundreds of links when one of them is much more than sufficient.. I bet most of linux fanboi’s wud hav realised the truth after reasing it.. :joy:

Now as @party monger is spreading FUD on FOSS and GNU/Linux ,Let we have a debate over here. :slight_smile:

answers for anti-linux FUD from linux haters blog :-

Dreamer ant Blog Archive Answer to Linux hater blog

truth is ,window$ fanboys getting panicked(as you can see here) :face_with_tongue:

Why Linux is better -for more reasons :rofl:

Why not Windows | www.getgnulinux.org

hmmm… so reasons for window$ vi$ta how it failed flopped ?

below reasons give you a outline:

What’s wrong with Microsoft Windows Vista? — BadVista …continued

…continued :slight_smile:

**well ,those who use windows ,let them use windows ,nobody is asking them to stop.but you must think what a monopoly M$ is now ! you are supporting software patents** ,DRM(Digital Restrictive Management) ,Vendor-Lockin ,EULA venom etc by supporting microsoft :frowning:

Go on! FOSS is a community project ,it is NOT against people as @party monger FUD’ed earlier.

FOSS is ,not like we are asking a service and giving attitude to them as if we paid them the money for GNU/Linux ,Apache ,Mysql etc.

Instead give the FOSS devels and users the due respect and support ,not by FUDing as the guy above did :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: .

First que : being a gamers forum this is ,I can understands the cry for pro-window$ …but use *nix and FOSS ,support them.

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What’s wrong with Microsoft?

Before I do anything else, let me assure you, this is not an anti-MS rant bashing their monopoly abuses, software patents, anti-competitive behaviour, or anything else.

No, the biggest problem with MS is far worse. It’s the users they create.

To explain, let’s go back in time a number of years. Let’s look at the original computers. They filled whole rooms with huge, chunky hardware and were only really useful for very clever mathematicians. Then along came the microchip and the modem and IBM and Microsoft. Suddenly we had an internet. It was text-based, and you had to be pretty technology-savvy to use it.

And then there was Windows. It had pretty icons and simple menus and it brought computers to the masses. You didn’t need years of training to use it, just drag the cursor around with a mouse and click on the icon you wanted. Anybody could do it.

And anybody did. Even now, years later, somebody who’s never used a computer before can sit down in front of a Windows PC and get surfing the 'Net without any training or understanding. No matter what your opinion of MS may be, you have to admit, they’ve got a stunningly easy-to-use GUI.

This has probably been Microsoft’s greatest strength through the years. They give you a computer that you can use almost instantly. No knowledge required. It has, however, created their greatest weakness, and caused the whole world many problems.

I first came to the Internet in 1995. Spam was an almost unknown problem back then, but chain letters were quite common. There was one quite common one, which basically said: “Microsoft are tracking this email with clever new software. Forward it to lots of people and they’ll pay you for helping them test it!”

The first time I got this mail, I frowned, and looked closer. It was a plain text file with no attachments. Headers were normal. There was no software involved. This thing could not possibly be tracking its movements. I deleted it as junk.

I received it again, and again, and again. I still get it occasionally even now. Why? Because there are people out there who don’t know enough to know that the email is a lie. Because they don’t know how email works.

They don’t know how to tell if there’s software attached to a email. They don’t know that self-running software in email is something the world has been trying to make impossible for a long time. They don’t know that there would be no point in Microsoft checking how an email spreads. All they know is that it costs them nothing to send it “just in case” and they might get some money back if it’s genuine. And so it spreads.

Harmless enough, you might think. It just means a few silly chain letters every now and again. Well, here’s where it gets less harmless: More than 80% of all the spam you receive was sent to you from a PC owned by a clueless Windows user. How harmless is that?

I have a reputation amongst friends & colleagues as the guy to ask if you have a computer problem. I get a lot of questions from typical Windows users. Here are some common things I get asked:

  • “Do I need a virus checker?”

  • “What’s a firewall?”

  • “Do I really need to install updates? They take ages to download.”

  • “Why doesn’t this unknown attachment in an email from somebody I don’t know do anything when I double-click it?” This is the level of knowledge I’ve come to expect from a Windows user. They have a vague idea that antivirus software is a good thing to have, and there their knowledge stops. They’ll click on any attachment, download any software, and surf the Web for hours without any protection software at all between them and their broadband-connection to the Net.

Sadly, a lot of the software they unwittingly install and run isn’t just viruses any more. No, it’s malware: Software that does nasty things behind your back. It may record their keystrokes and send their passwords & credit card information to the scumbags who wrote the software. Or they might just suddenly find their computer runs really slowly.

Why? Because it’s too busy flooding the world with spam to worry about their web browsing.

If software gets installed on a Windows PC with administrative rights, it can do absolutely anything. It’s called a Zombie PC at this point, because it’s really not your PC any more: It’s controlled by the cracker, not you. It has two particularly nasty uses:

  • It launches attacks on other computers from your PC in order to spread the malware

  • It starts spamming the world It’s not just the unfortunate unwitting users who are running this garbage that suffer: It’s everybody. It’s estimated that very soon, there will be more spam mails being sent than genuine email. And it’s only possible because spam is sent from unwitting Windows users’ home PC’s. Thank you, Microsoft.

Windows has been blamed heavily for being a hugely insecure OS. Viruses plague it, malware infests it. The blame isn’t entirely down to the OS. It’s perfectly possible to use a Windows PC without ever getting hit by malware. I’ve done it, never had a virus of spyware on one of my computers, and I’ve used Windows since 3.1. A clued-up user can be perfectly safe using Windows.

But there aren’t enough of those users. There are too many people using computers who have no protection installed and a “Click on everything” mindset. They’re not just hurting themselves, they’re hurting us all. And they’re a problem that can’t be solved by software.

True story: A friend asked me to help her install something. She’d taken my advice and wasn’t running an Administrative account on Windows. The software required Administrative privileges in order to install. I told her she’d have to switch to the Admin account to install it. Offhandedly, I asked her what it was.

“Something I got in an email,” she replied vaguely. “I think it’s a game of some sort.”

sigh I took a look. Malware. Had she been running as Admin, the software would have installed, and her machine been infected. None of the protective measures installed on her PC would have saved her: Admin trumps all.

That’s the problem with clueless Windows users for you, in a nutshell: They don’t know what they’re doing, but they insist on doing it anyway. No matter how good Microsoft make their software, they’ll never make it good enough to compensate for users like this, users who’ll even switch off their protective software in order to install malware if it’s got a good cover story.

The solution? Well, it’s happening already. And no, it’s not “Everybody use Linux” - The same clueless users who turn off their antivirus to install malware will cheerfully log in as root to do the same thing in Linux.

The only solution is to have less clueless users. There’s no way around it.

Fortunately, that’s the trend. Computers and the Internet started out as new and strange things, things people had to try and learn about late in life. Old dogs and new tricks. Windows made it big because it made the new tricks so easy.

But since then, people are being born into a Web-aware world. Kids are growing up with computers and the internet. They’re learning right from day one how to use a computer. Slowly, clueless users are fading away and clued-up users are replacing them. It’s an irreversible trend. Sooner or later, it will triumph.

What happens then? Well, there’s the rub. Windows is heavily dependent on it’s biggest problem. The only thing it really has going for it is how easy it is to use. MS can point at Linux and say how hard it would be to switch, and people will happily agree. Today.

But what happens in a few years, when the clueless have been replaced by the clued-up? When Linux’s increasing ease-of-use meets the decreasing amount of cluelessness? What happens when there’s no real barrier to entering the FOSS world and people start comparing OS functionality instead of GUI aesthetics?

It’ll be a very interesting time, when computers have careful, well-informed users running them and keeping unwanted software out of them. Think about it: No spam, no malware. . .

No Windows?

Maybe. We shall see!
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What’s wrong with Microsoft?

People ! Read these posts thoroughly and think again!

PS: I am not against those who are using windows. I am just suggesting :slight_smile:

A big enterprise like IR will have various levels of PC usage in their environment.

I think for environments like Reservation counters, Point-of-Sale, where strict uptime is needed, etc. linux will beat Windows in every aspect. It will save both cost, maintenance expenses and infrastructure costs.

In that aspect, IR can learn something from LIC of India which is told to have done a huge migration to linux. I have found even small medium co.s shifting to linux for mundane tasks.

Also, for mission critical apps like telecomm, etc. linux is always preferred. I luckily have opportunity to enter inside few of such systems and was surprised to see behemoth systems from Sun, etc. for which they say there is no immediate replacement from Windows till date.

But, for other uses like correspondence, excel charts, etc. Windows surely excels. Their its better if they use Windows.

Whether we like it or not Linux is going to be and is almost mainstream in current world and even in India in average big companies.

To shun linux is not intelligent - this is my view as I belong to IT field atleast a bit.

i am unable to imagine that how much immature you people are to even think that Linux is not safe to run task like railways which involve dealing with large no of people’s lives…

what do u guys think…such large corporations and govt agencies like NASA (yaa the people who send live people to space on a damn burning rocket) don’t care for the people and money involved…

if you guys have no idea how vastly and diversely has Linux been deployed, how safe it is, then please stop commenting…its right there from microcomputer to supercomputer…from finance to saving people’s live…

Even our Police and Army rely on this (please correct me on this if i am wrong…)

just saying that windows has MS support, so it is safe to bank on people’s life and not Linux, is really BS.

who is asking railway to install some naive distro…go for Redhat, or Opensuse…even Ubuntu is has gained respect in business…all have world class support…u don’t need to post ur queries in forums once u get business support…

and its not just about software cost only…what about hardware upgrade cost required for Vista…what about the security…what about space for modifying the application for specific needs which may arise…will the great MS respond to your customized needs…

and the money which is going to US based company (yaa MS…) could have better gone to Indian IT experts for providing top class support for Linux environment…

look, there is no doubt that Windows is easy for home users…but there can’t be any justification for using Windows in corporate setup specially govt. where you need to buys thousand of computers…where your needs are specific (not playing video dvd which give you a hard time in Linux)…where you need customization…where National Security is involved…

and yes a request to all guys, please don’t convert this thread to a flame war as well…

please try to bring in some wise comment…

don’t do any personal comment…

lets get some mature argument running up here…

Lol . Thats all I have to say to the person who linked Linux Haters Blogs :rofl: . I don’t give a damn which system they implements it in as long as they Railways get much better than its current state.

And I thought this forum was much better when it came to OS bandwagonism. I see I was wrong.

^this is a gamer’s(obviously windows) forum basically.what can you expect :face_with_tongue:

@party monger

yep he is showing all the bad points of linux , and we thank him for making us laugh in the way. also as his blog is getting popular day by day , it is doing no harm to his finances.

dude that is because , that guy is/was passionate bout linux.

if a guy doesnt like linux , simple , donot use it. u were not cheated as u didn’t pay for it .

u donot deserver a refund , u can’t complaint to anyone .

so what does a guy hike him do , simple rant off on the internet.
Linux Hater’s Blog: Evolution of an Ubuntu user :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

it is of same sort as being made by u.

u just quoted a semi-serious , linux bashing blog.

if i started quoting blogs bout “linux is better than windows” then there would be a few problems of space.

and dude who has once called u a windows fanboi?

u r the one using “fanboi” term like a fashion.:wink:

and stop spreading this FUD.

linux may still have some teething problems as far as desktop usage is concerned (all that codec/softwares/hardware stuff)

but these donot even count for an enterprise usage like that needed by railways.

and last but not the least

have a look at this

[Phoronix] Linux 2.6.26 Kernel Benchmarks

when was the last time a new version of windows was more efficient, faster than previous one?

[pointless request which’ll surely not be heeded]

guys give it a rest.

[/pointless request which’ll surely not be heeded]

to be honest, a properly run XP ( with a very tight control on the stuff you install ) , like the one I use at work , will rarely crash. I haven’t gotten a BSOD on my current system ever, during the last one week. and my other system ( win2k3 server , running drupal on apache/mysql ) has been up for a few months now :face_with_tongue:

on the other side , my home ubuntu install got screwed over once when i installed KDE4 ( horribly slow) and uninstalled it, had to run gdm from command line ( I’m a newbie and fairly uncomfortable with command line ) , then reinstall it.

Then last week i updated it , and rebooted , and X crashed. granted I was running ATi proprietary drivers ( were working fine till then ), but wasn’t that what bulletproof X was supposed to take care of ? On my nvidia system , nvidia-xconfig came to the rescue. What do i do with Ati ? I shouldnt be having these problems. In windows I can boot into safe mode or last known good configuration. What do I do here ? Fixing this might be Ati’s problem, but where did bulletproof X go ?

I really do love linux, and I suppose when properly run by people who know it , should beat windows , but for those claiming it to be the panacea for all ills , should think twice.

/flamabait

/flamebait

this slacktivism regarding petitononline…doesnt change a thing…

LOL.. A Picture Is Worth One Thousand Words.