US attacks Venezuela

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Saudi’s don’t have enemies?
Saudi’s have enemies bro…No.1 is Iran and they also share bit of bad blood past history with Turkey.

During Ottoman Empire … Ottoman ruler had beheaded Saudi King.

Plus as a custodian of Two holiest Muslim shrines..they are constant target of religious fantastics like Isis groups etc that think Saudi’s have gone soft.

Saudi’s are making great change these days.
Allowing woman to drive.

Liquor bars in some areas, dance and movies.

Which religious and Sharia supporting groups are not liking.

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Saudi’s enemies are it’s own dissidents, everything else is just posturing.

Iranians travel freely for pilgrimage to Saudi, that wouldn’t happen with a country you’re at war with.

Same with Yemenis and Omanians (?)

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Who are we talking about here?

American actions
American grievances
American justifications

What is said must stand muster in American eyes. More specifically those that support the present administration.

Having spent over a decade discussing these matters with senior Americans I have a feel for how they would think.

What Indians or anybody else thinks is irrelevant.

How much sense do you think your comments about the US in this thread would make to a US audience

Thanks

Same formula again.

What is said about Israel or Israeli actions must bear scrutiny in Israeli eyes. First.

You don’t understand their doctrine.

It is cheaper and safer to bomb a building that is booby trapped or has a sniper in it than to send a unit to secure it. Israel has limited manpower.

In J&K we would send a team in because bombing a building isn’t always feasible.

How many bombs do you think Israelis used in Gaza?

Over 200k

Now compare that with official casualties.

‘mindless killing’ and ‘killing anything that moves’ is just not true. Especially for the IDF.

You should listen to military commentators when it comes to military actions. People like John Spencer or Andrew King for a start.

Not those looking to politicise things.

As a layperson you simply cannot understand these things and it’s this precise lack of knowledge that makes everyone an easy mark for enemy propaganda.

US doing it first was in the context of the cold war.

Tell me what was China’s rationale to do an asat test back in 2007? There was no cold war

Because it compelled a response from us a decade later.

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I don’t. You can but I don’t think you should.

Sorry to have troubled you.

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Some kind of conflict should be going on in some parts of world so the military industrial complex can fund it and sell weapons and its quid pro quo always.

Hillary gave Yunus funding through USAID and in return he toppled the Hasina govt and paid back to Hillary by giving donations.

This is what has been going on since 18th century or even before that.

Before 1st World war it was the Europeans but now after 2nd World war it is the US who is funding the wars and getting orders for supplying weapons and the more oil one provides for this war machine of unending wars they pay those who is funding it or causing it in the 1st place.

It’s a vicious cycle.

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^Repost this in your thread and delete it from here

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In the context we were speaking in I would like to know where the ‘plunder’ begins when the price to play amounts to investing up to $100bn first?

Not only in the US, I did the same in the UK & France too. Integrated to the extent possible and my friends were all locals.

These NRI’s you talk about don’t know how to integrate and live separate lives. And hang out with Indians mostly. What is the point of going to a foreign country and doing that

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Just to say, Oman is one of the most neutral country in that region, specially taking care not to cause any issues with anyone.

Saudi gains immense monies and geopolitical clout from that pilgrimage activity.

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A matter of time. We’ve been buying from them as late as early last year

Reliance likes Venezuelan oil because it is dirty. Jamnagar can handle it

Dirty means low quality

Low quality means cheaper

Regime is the same because learning from Iraq it’s best not to throw out the ancien regime. The way Trump is doing it as ‘acting president’ is a much better way.

No boots on the ground means no body bags and extra expenses to the US taxpayer. This will shut the domestic opposition up.
No chaos and unrest
Yet still able to direct outcomes. We will see how well as time goes

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Decades back India was running Venezuela’s oil rigs, USA didn’t like it then.

I heard the rig got destroyed later and an Indian company got compensated.

It’s not a big deal to know oil and natural resources naturally attracts bully USA like how a shark is attracted to blood, it was the same always though methods can vary. South American countries were called banana republics for a reason, it’s still the same.

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Step 1: become acting president

Step 2: TBD

It’ll happen in step 2.

I’m don’t know how you can’t see this predictable pattern given what you know about the US.

How or why is mostly irrelevant, the end result will be the same: country gets plundered, no tangible benefit to the locals, Iraq 2.0

Acting president is just another a confirmation of my theory, there’s no benevolence here.

How much did the Iraq War cost the US? Or even that embassy over there?

It doesn’t make sense to say we invested $10 so your country is going to see 0% GDP growth for the next 20 years.

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Absolutely, that’s why I said Saudi doesn’t have enemies, they just like bombing for the fun of it.

But it’s curious how far up high they are on that list.

What are they preparing for?

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Running implies we were completely in charge. Not true.

The unpaid dividends stem from ONGC’s investment in the San Cristobal field in Venezuela, held through its overseas arm ONGC Videsh. While the project has been producing, US sanctions on Caracas effectively blocked repatriation of profits, forcing ONGC to carry the receivable on its books and leaving investors sceptical about the timing and certainty of recovery.

When the US companies got screwed they sanctioned Venezuela

Beyond the San Cristobal receivables, Jefferies also underlines the option value embedded in ONGC’s second Venezuelan asset. “It might also be able to develop the Carabobo field in Venezuela’s Orinoco belt; ONGC has an 11% equity stake in the field,” the analysts write, suggesting that a friendlier operating and funding environment under US oversight could revive stalled capex plans.

Back in business

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There will be contracts and this time there won’t be any monkeying around.

Because that’s how it was in the colonial era.

The US doesn’t do colonies. Much to the irritation of the Euros, Roosevelt conditioned WW2 lend and lease loans on condition that colonies be granted independence after WW2

Granted the US has had its way in the region for a century they were never colonisers. Why? Because of predatory Euro powers. The same reason the Brits did the same around India. These spheres of influence started far from Indian borders to protect India from the Germans, French or Russians.

Two examples you may consider are Panama & the Dominican Republic. The real colonisers of the two was Spain for three centuries.

The Philippines was handed over on a plate to the US in 1895 by the Royal Navy who only took a couple of hours to sink the entire Spanish fleet defending. This one maybe qualifies

Your theory will take how long to confirm?

When there are numerous successful transitions of gulf countries oil resources to fully nationalised ie. state owned assets I know your theory has no basis. It’s when dim witted rulers try their tricks it becomes FAFO

There is no higher authority above the state level. If you invest large sums to develop a resource in another country with the understanding there will be a sharing of profits for a determined period and then find out they turn the tables what is your recourse?

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They want to be USA of Arab world.

Yemen is / was play ground of Iran which is a natural enemy of SA.

And they wants to extract resources and monies from neighbors using immensely huge quantity / amounts of weapons purchased from USA, which will rust off unless used. Just copying USA’s antics.

Don’t think in general a single company will fully control entire oil rig, there will be primary company then, groups.
Vaguely remember Aban offshore was involved with rig which sunk in Venezuela. There were other companies involved too.

Yeah, very justified international business methods… /s

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Contracts have to be honoured and cannot be unilaterally changed.

Chavez took over in '98. Negotiations went on till 2005 and then the sanctions started.

Long enough time isn’t it.

In fact had the US not been involved in GWOT, it’s likely Bush would have done something similar

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“It is solely up to Denmark and Greenland to decide about Greenland’s future. Territorial sovereignty and integrity must be respected,” Klingbeil said.

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Trump is the Pushparaj on Earth. He will sush Germany and soon you will hear ‘em praising him for his bravery.

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Greenland PM : We Choose Denmark and EU.

Trump : Well that is his problem.

Never did I ever imagine that it will so easy to claim any sovereign country. thousands of miles away for you .

Kuch bhi ho sakta hai…Modi should also start asking For Sri Lanka and POK.

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Maybe start a Greenland thread?