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I have hinted in the past of doing some memory tests, since it's my belief, given the Athlon 64 architecture and it's integrated memory controller, there is no significant advantage to buying expensive ram over the cheap stuff. All the time I'll say get the cheapest PC3200 value ram @ $140 for 1gig instead of overclockers RAM costing twice as much. ANAND and just about everyones else is guilty of hyping the expensive ram and never show comparos with cheap ram. Are you getting the best bang for the buck buying expensive ram? Well here it is.

I'll use the same processor speed thoughout, a realistic overclock of 2610Mhz, only adjusting timings, speed and/or swapping for cheaper parts. I use a overclock, because higher processor speed, the more pronouced the benefits of expensive ram*should show. My tests are not compatable with Anands because he uses different processor speeds thoughout his A64 memory tests which is apples to oranges. Keeping processor speed the same ensures seeing *only* the benefit of differnet memory configuations.

Test Configuration:

-Video card is BFG6800GT@ultra.
-CPU Winch 939 1800@2610 Mhz, 290Mhz HTT, 3x LDT
-Operating system Windows 2000 service pack 4 and all updates.
-Dx version- 9c
-Lastest *official* Nvidia video card and Nvidia motherboard drivers.
-All memory is 2 x 512 MB.

Test 1: Super budget crucial PC2100 ram Henceforth refered to as “old ram”
290 bus
100 memsetting yeilds PC2300 (145Mhz)
3 3 3 1T

Test2: PC3200 Buffalo Value ram w/ CH-5 chips Henceforth refered to as “value ram”
290 Bus
133 mem setting Yeilds ~PC3000 (186Mhz)
3-3-3 1T

Test 3: Low Latency (LL) and PC3000, many ram can do this!! I used the TCCD here, but "value" buffalo can handle this speed and latency too!!
290bus
133 mem setting Yeilds ~PC3000 (186Mhz)
2-2-2 1T

Test 4: Highend: PQI PC3200 w/ Samsung TCCD
290Bus 1:1
200 memsetting Yeilds ~PC4700 (290Mhz)
3-4-3 1T

Test 5: Highend: Crucial Ballistix PC3200 (uses Micron G)
290Bus
166 memsetting Yeilds ~PC3800 (237Mhz)
2.5-2-2 1T

Testing software:

All real world except Sandra mem/cpu just to show how erronious it is for A64:

-SiSoftware Sandra Lite 2005, mem and CPU
-Far Cry 1.3 HardwareOC Far Cry Benchmark Demo , max details, AF = 1, AA = 0, 800x600 and 1600 x 1200
-Unreal Tournament 2003 @ 10x7 default settings
-Doom3- All High Quality Settings, "timedemo demo1 1", AA4x, 1600x1200 and 1024x768
-Half Life 2- All High Quality Settings, Route Kanal custom demo features indoor/outdoor, AA6x, AF4x, 1600x1200 and 1024x768
-LAME 3.96.1 (build from mitiok.cjb.net)Default settings 163MB CBS Masterworks Beethoven Symph #9 op.125 Allegro non troppo, un poco maestoso 16:44m
-Cinebench 2003
-ScienceMark 2.0 beta (23SEP03 build) - Molecular Dynamics
-PiFast Parameters: 0,0,10m,1024,1
-Superpi 1M
-Winrar 3.41 internal benchmark
-POV-Ray v3.6 Chess2.pov 1024x768 AA.03
-DVDShrink 3.2 Lawrence Of Arabia Superbit Encode Chap 1-6, 863MB to 500 MB = 58% compression (sharp quality setting)

Results

Sandr mem INT ALU
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 4285
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 5556
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 5602
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 7272
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 6977

Sandra mem FLOAT FPU
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 4288
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 5550
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 5603
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 7267
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 6904
As you can see, TCCD Sanda mem is showing a whopping ~70% faster vs. the cheapest PC2100 ram ever sold. And 30% more than value ram, PC3000 ram @3-3-3. Will this translate into real performance gains? Well lets see.

Sandra CPU Drystone ALU
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 11064
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 11068
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 11066
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 11071
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 11068
no difference

Sandra CPU FPU
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 4253
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 4253
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 4253
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 4252
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -4353
no difference

Sandra CPU SSE2
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 5527
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 5536
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 5528
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 5551
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 5446
meh, now lets get to the real world:

Farcry 800x600 in FPS
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 61.46
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 66.49
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 72.67
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 74.97
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 77.08

Farcry 1600x1200 in FPS
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 62.25
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 68.14
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 71.31
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 73.52
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 74.42
On farcry, we see ~18% faster performance from the old ram. But only ~8% faster than value ram. hint: spend the xtra $100 on a better video card. Notice async low latency Ballistix owning all even 1:1 TCCD.
Doom3 1024x768 in FPS
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 77.8
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 80.3
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 81.4
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 82.3
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 82.4
No signifigant difference above PC3000

Doom3 1600x1200 in FPS
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 44.6
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 44.6
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 44.6
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 44.5
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 44.6
Video card limitation here...

Half-life 2 1024x768 in FPS
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 113.3
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 120.9
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 131.6
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 133.3
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 134.4
We see low timings here credited with speed since PC3000LL is basically equivalent to PC4700. Overall nothing big above PC 3000.

Half-life 2 1600x1200 in FPS
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 98.77
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 102.5
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 106.0
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 107.9
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 107.3
Same as above. Save your money.

Pifast in seconds
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 38.91
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 36.53
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 35.48
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 34.67
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 34.45
We see bandwitdh have *some* effect here..nothing to write home about. PC2300 vs PC4700 is 10.9% faster, but very small difference vs. value ram.

Superpi 1M in seconds
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 37
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 34
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 33
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 32
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -32
Similar as above. Nothing drastic at anything above PC3000

Science Mark- Molecular Dynamics time in seconds
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 67.03
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 66.92
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 66.68
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 66.69
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 66.47
Seems bandwidth has no effect here.

CineBench 2003 Rendering
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 363
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 365
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 366
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 368
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 367
Seems bandwidth has no effect here.

CineBench 2003 Shading
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 414
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 426
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 434
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 439
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 440
Infinitesmal bandwidth help

CineBench 2003 OpenGL SW
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 1949
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 1992
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 2019
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 2032
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 2034
Infinitesmal bandwidth help

CineBench 2003 OpenGL HW
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 3568
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 3662
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 3756
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 3781
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 3796
this is getting old, on to another game.

UT2003 10x7 Flyby
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 297
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 319
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 334
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 341
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 345
14% max boost, hey but very small difference with value ram.

UT2003 10x7 BotMatch
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 110
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 118
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 123
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 127
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 128
15% boost over PC2300, only 8% over value ram.

Winrar in KB/s
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 496
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 564
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 636
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 651
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T - 703!!!
Here we see pretty signifigant gains due to bandwidth 41% diff top to bottom. This test obviously is very beneficial to have bandwidth or LL. Update: Crucial Ballistix owning all, Winrar seems the like LL even more than bandwidth. We sorta saw this already by the very close scores of PC3000 LL VS PC4700 high bandwitdh.

Lame in seconds
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 56
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 56
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 56
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 56
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -56
Seems bandwidth or LL has no effect here.

Chess2.pov in seconds
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 246
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 245
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 246
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 247
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -246
Seems bandwidth or LL has no effect here.

DVDShrink in seconds
PC2300 - 3-3-3 1T- 243
PC3000 - 3-3-3 1T- 235
PC3000 - 2-2-2 1T- 228
PC4700 - 3-4-3 1T- 221
PC3800 - 2.5-2-2-1T -224
DVDShrink seems to like bandwidth a little bit.
Summary of Results
Well there it was. While sandra likes to show whopping 70% increased bandwidth of expensive TCCD it really does'nt translate to real world . Only one area seemed signifigant was winrar. The couple game tests which slow slight inprovement with bandwidth or LL, I think you're much better of upgrading to the next tier of video card if on a budget instead of investing with overpriced ram. Investing in expensive Ram probably offers to poorest bang for the buck of any computer part. What's intesting was Ballistix's async 166 and LL the performance faired a little better than TCCD 1:1. Seems A64 prefers LL rather than bandwidth? Also shows that running async is'nt to be shunned.

Course if you want the best, go right ahead and invest in expensive ram, as shown it makes a slight difference in gaming and winrar but I'm sticking with $130 2x512 value ram and use a divider from now on because the price to performance ratio is simply not worth it. IMO You're much better off using that cash for the next level of video card which really does boost performance by ~70% in games.

One other thing of intrest is PC3000 running async 133 at low timings 2-2-2 was almost as good as PC4700 high bandwidth but loose timings TCCD is forced to run at 290Mhz.... many a ram can do ~200Mhz 2-2-2.
Bottom Line:

Some Games = very slight benefit to using expensive high bandwidth TCCD or expensive LL ram Like Ballistix over value ram. Winrar sees major benefit though, 41% top to bottom.

LAME, Cinebench, ScienceMark, PiFast, Superpi, POV-Ray, DVDShrink shows no or infinitesmal boost above Value ram.

*Note: I've gotten some PM complaining "well I run 2-2-2 275Mhz with BH-5 or OCZ VX or 320Mhz 3-4-3 w/TCCD" Well first of all, how many volts you push though? 3.5? 4.0? With a 120mm 120 cfm fan blowing thier way? Plus you use 2x256 which overclock much much more to begin with rather than 2x512 which most every user will use. Sorry, this test features the maximum overclocks of TCCD and Micron G with safe onboard voltages most Anandtech users and Anand/Westley themselves will use. My memory modules did as well or better than anands A64 memory tests. 2.85 max voltage. It also does'nt include OCZ booster, active ram cooling, and/or motherboard voltage modifications. We all know what's possible but I'm focusing on probable when entertaining different memory. Even so after all that work, expense, voiding your warranties, etc, you won't see much benefit over value ram running "ansyc" as I think I've shown.

SOURCE:http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1475190&enterthread=y
 
Oh man, you did a g8 job. too many techy techy things i can't understand.
who's anand?
For me the simple logic is, buy the lowest price ram and save that money for a better cpu and mobo.
 
@spidey: This test isnt done by arudit, it was posted on AT a long time b4 by a member Zebo........ Btw i am still not sure if value ram makes or doesnt make a difference in performance. I guess resident A64 owners shud try and post some benchies to prove a point or two.
 
I think thr is no need to go for over expensive Ram modules but a good quality ram will save u from lotsof problems...the best value brand according to me is Transcend...it oclocks quiet well if not outstanding and will stay thr till u have children...or even grandchildrens... :D ...Goin for expensive corsairs,ocz and kingstons is not at all rtequired...like it has been proved in the above test...but still going for a cheapo chinese module is a big no-no...u never know..it'll take wid it a lot more of ur mobo components if it dies....my fren's hynix burnt itself to death takin wid it the mem slot ...the slot still has black signs of its demise...doesnt work anymore... :D
 
the one important thing i find on which buyers confuse alot is latency. Latencies dont cost alot of performance difference. They only help in the dieing years of the computer. And yes i would also like to see some more tests like above conducted here. That would be cool. Ill test the same for my P4. although it is old.

And my names Udit.
 
given the Athlon 64 architecture and it's integrated memory controller, there is no significant advantage to buying expensive ram over the cheap stuff
thats what i thought too but you proved it. great stuff
 
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