Market Feedback Appeal to Mods : FS Thread Suggestions.

[Slayer88]

Dear mods,

With the flourishing marketplace we have, I would like to suggest some changes to the FS section, please. There are way too many members whose life purpose it appears to be is, crapping sale threads and I'm not talking just GPU threads (though that is the biggest one). These people have no intention of buying and will comment utter rubbish. When questioned, they do not reply. E.g. One FM commented that I had my username on the display of a GPU that I was selling for a friend. When questioned, he/she conveniently did not reply.

Option 1 - Like the HFV Forum, I feel only mods and the OP (after 24hr intervals) should be able to post, thread would show up as locked to other FMs. This will keep it fair for other FS thread owners so their sale thread stays at the top for a bit longer. Yes, I understand Recruits will have a problem. Perhaps a "Contact Seller" button or something of that sort? Or perhaps a new 'briefcase' emoji, if a recruit reacts with that emoji, the OP can DM him/her?

Option 2 - Keep things the way they are but give 3 warnings and then ban users that crap the thread w/o any reason. Yes, some may feel a few genuine questions may arise, but the problem is most people don't understand the meaning of 'genuine' its more of a free gyaan to put down the OP with the excuse of helping prospective buyers. I feel if a person has the intention to buy, has a question, they should ask the OP over DM. Yes, someone might say, "this question will help others who are in doubt". 100 members will have the question in their mind, only 2 of them have the intention to buy, so let those 2 guys ask via DM. We have a forum section where these questions can be answered for general awareness, a FS thread isn't the place.

If you are price policing, provide;
A link to a reputable Indian site that is selling THE EXACT SAME product. Item must be 'in stock'.

 

[DrkLord]

Sometimes I will comment on the product stating its pros and cons if I have some experience with the product. I hope it doesn't derail the sale thread too much .

 

[Slayer88]

Sometimes I will comment on the product stating its pros and cons if I have some experience with the product. I hope it doesn't derail the sale thread too much .

Buddy, whilst your intentions are good, it does invite others (who may not have first hand experience) to give gyaan. I too have done it a 1-2 times. But I guess YouTube has minimum 10 reviews about everything in almost every language, so that should suffice I suppose?. If, in a rare scenario, a user is not able to not able to find a review, they can ask in the forum section, FS section should strictly be sale related. Also, I know you have a few FS threads right, when people post stuff, it can push your thread further below, which is a bit of a pain, no?

 

[ibose]

Not sure how much feasible Option 1 is but most of what is mentioned is already included in the rules. I believe its a fairly balanced set of controls which have been put in place. If any post does not abide by the rules, you can just report it to the Mods.

 

[DrkLord]

Buddy, whilst your intentions are good, it does invite others (who may not have first hand experience) to give gyaan. I too have done it a 1-2 times. But I guess YouTube has minimum 10 reviews about everything in almost every language, so that should suffice I suppose?. If, in a rare scenario, a user is not able to not able to find a review, they can ask in the forum section, FS section should strictly be sale related. Also, I know you have a few FS threads right, when people post stuff, it can push your thread further below, which is a bit of a pain, no?

I agree. I will try to reign in my gyan.
I don't have any FS threads but I understand your point. People with genuine intentions for selling and buying stuff must have the highest priority and rules should be to facilitate that.

I do believe that as long as we have competent mods and people like you who think about the betterment of forum, we will be good .

 

[Slayer88]

Not sure how much feasible Option 1 is but most of what is mentioned is already included in the rules. I believe its a fairly balanced set of controls which have been put in place. If any post does not abide by the rules, you can just report it to the Mods.

Correct, rules are there but no one is following them. Hence, there needs to be consequences for repeat offenders. If we go to report every OT post to mods now, they will be bombarded with requests and the issue will never stop as people will keep doing it. But, If there is the fear of warnings and bans, people will think twice before crapping the thread. What makes it worse is, these few repeat offenders have no intention to buy but will still comment!

 

[ibose]

So your feedback is more to do with the fact that the warnings are not appropriate and examples need to be set so that this nonsense stops ? I believe that they are doing it but based on what I have seen, maybe it could do with a step up especially for repeat offenders. I suppose that the Mods would have their day jobs and its impossible for them to monitor each and every thread. So they would expect all users including you to support them by notifying on rule infractions only. Also not all posts are OT; members do help each other out with valuable information or making a new member aware if he or she has got anything wrong in the sale post.

 

[Ebil]

i like it how it is, free speech for everyone. I'd rather it open than closed.
if anyone wants to come and make a fool of themselves they're welcome. usually its pretty easy to tell apart a shitpost.

 

[tech.monk]

What if despite these rules, people turn blind eye to their own suggestions.

Nothing against anyone but I have seen people doing price policing and now against for reasons best known to them. And again I'm saying this to mention the fact that has been observed. That's where my first line comes in from the current message.

 

[salman8506]

What if despite these rules, people turn blind eye to their own suggestions.

Nothing against anyone but I have seen people doing price policing and now against for reasons best known to them. And again I'm saying this to mention the fact that has been observed. That's where my first line comes in from the current message.

I have seen this happen recently, and i have post from same people who are frowning upon price policing when their products are up for sale...and doing the same to others when they dont have a stake.

Edit1:- And i think we as a community are also responsible if someone gets uber ripped off when buying hi priced items like gpu at the moment, consider the fact that a 3060 is now available at 50k and falling below in second market and 3070 and 3070ti are also facing similar fate with pricing, would it be correct to let someone pay 10-20k extra even knowing the person is getting ripped off ? What difference will be there between us a community and the blood sucking dealers and resellers outside ? And would the so called sellers lowr their prices on respectfull pm's ? i know lowballers are always present and cannot be worked around but what about genuine cases ? do we let everyone price whatever they want and hope for the best that buyer will do due deligence and be successfull in it ?

 

[Slayer88]

I have seen this happen recently, and i have post from same people who are frowning upon price policing when their products are up for sale...and doing the same to others when they dont have a stake.

Oh this is very common, everyone wants a good deal and will price police until it's time for them to sell their own products, then all policing and gyaan is forgotten.

But, to your example, I have a card (3060) of my friends listed at 58k, purchased a month n half ago for 70k, yes, my price is above the 50k rate that you say is the market rate, but does that make me a scalper? I think not, just trying to cut my (friend's) losses.

But to your and @tech.monks point, yup, there are lots of hypocrites around.

 

[tech.monk]

But to your and @tech.monks point, yup, there are lots of hypocrites around.

Thats what I wanted to point out but avoided use of that word to not offend those people, else this thread will go the same way what happened to other GPU sell thread.

 

[Slayer88]

Thats what I wanted to point out but avoided use of that word to not offend those people, else this thread will go the same way what happened to other GPU sell thread.

These people are shameless mate, and while I would love to have the family/community type bond here, some of these folks don't deserve it. I've become thick skinned as some members told me I should be. First, If a member would reply "last price" I would still reply saying "hi, thanks for your interest..." Now I reply to these people in 1-2 words. But I still show them the courtesy of replying, even when they don't. Many here, and I'm not talking about the recruits, are no better than the crowd you find on OLX.

 

[salman8506]

Oh this is very common, everyone wants a good deal and will price police until it's time for them to sell their own products, then all policing and gyaan is forgotten.

But, to your example, I have a card (3060) of my friends listed at 58k, purchased a month n half ago for 70k, yes, my price is above the 50k rate that you say is the market rate, but does that make me a scalper? I think not, just trying to cut my (friend's) losses.

But to your and @tech.monks point, yup, there are lots of hypocrites around.

So buddy you are helping your friend here to help cut his losses for over spending but how is this correct for unknowing prospective buyers. I have dealt with professional on this forum who don't have much time and buy hardware from here....the dealers and resellers take advantage of this which is unethical but they do it anyways, but how do we as a community justify this ? Now with what you are proposing and accepting that you are trying to cut losses which all buyers including scalpers would do...how does it help us as a community ?

Do we create a sticky thread on fs section for general prices of each hardware ? And mods maybe update it when people approach with proof of current pricing ?

And this has to be in fs section or it won't work correctly.

These people are shameless mate, and while I would love to have the family/community type bond here, some of these folks don't deserve it. I've become thick skinned as some members told me I should be. First, If a member would reply "last price" I would still reply saying "hi, thanks for your interest..." Now I reply to these people in 1-2 words. But I still show them the courtesy of replying, even when they don't. Many here, and I'm not talking about the recruits, are no better than the crowd you find on OLX.

This happens to me as well...as long they keep crapping with low balls on pm it's all fine....I am very courteous to low ballers as well no thick skinning there

 

[Slayer88]

So buddy you are helping your friend here to help cut his losses for over spending but how is this correct for unknowing prospective buyers. I have dealt with professional on this forum who don't have much time and buy hardware from here....the dealers and resellers take advantage of this which is unethical but they do it anyways, but how do we as a community justify this ? Now with what you are proposing and accepting that you are trying to cut losses which all buyers including scalpers would do...how does it help us as a community ?

Do we create a sticky thread on fs section for general prices of each hardware ? And mods maybe update it when people approach with proof of current pricing ?

Bro, before I list my or my friends stuff, I always check top sites like MDC, PABGB, etc. The prices out there are still pretty high. So, for a card that's a month old. Scalpers on the other hand are creating the artificial shortage (to some degree) they have no losses to cut, it's a bigger cut for them.

 

[salman8506]

Bro, before I list my or my friends stuff, I always check top sites like MDC, PABGB, etc. The prices out there are still pretty high. So, for a card that's a month old. Scalpers on the other hand are creating the artificial shortage (to some degree) they have no losses to cut, it's a bigger cut for them.

Big sites sell their GPUs at that price even when market is 30-40% lower...not everybody knows this but it's a fact...a blower 3090 is still selling for 2.32l on prime but local market has 3 fan edition going lower or same price. Not pointing just to you but there are lot of bloating examples in the fray...just check the market section...there are 580 4gb listed for 25k and a 570 4gb list d for 19k...I am sure they did not buy at that price...

Even if you bought at higher price if you are selling you should price it according to current market prices since everyone abide by market when it's higher profit but not when it is going lower....Nothing against you personally on this...it's just my 2 cents..

 

[mathrisk]

TE is a discussion forum, which also have a section for classified. Not the other way round.

Anything anybody put here is open for discussion, and members are open to post anything they seems relevant, unless if it violates the typical forum rules (no personal attack, religion/politics etc).

 

[rdst_1]

So buddy you are helping your friend here to help cut his losses for over spending but how is this correct for unknowing prospective buyers. I have dealt with professional on this forum who don't have much time and buy hardware from here....the dealers and resellers take advantage of this which is unethical but they do it anyways, but how do we as a community justify this ? Now with what you are proposing and accepting that you are trying to cut losses which all buyers including scalpers would do...how does it help us as a community ?

Do we create a sticky thread on fs section for general prices of each hardware ? And mods maybe update it when people approach with proof of current pricing ?

And this has to be in fs section or it won't work correctly.

This happens to me as well...as long they keep crapping with low balls on pm it's all fine....I am very courteous to low ballers as well no thick skinning there

That's not how free market works. The mods and admins have laid down the rules that price policing is not allowed. One has to post a link of the same product which lists the price lower than that of the seller. This will usually not happen for a second hand product. Earlier, with eBay it could have still happened, but OLX and Facebook group links have no meaning whatsoever, which is what most people speculate pricing on these days forgetting that OLX is for local people and Facebook groups have their own issues. Also, people forget that there is no fixed pricing in second hand market and prices fluctuate like anything. In second hand market, price depends on what one is willing to pay and whether the seller is willing to let it go for that much. These negotiations need to be between the buyer and the seller. Why can't others stop butting in? These are no essential commodities that we are trading here which need to be price-controlled. People keep only talking about buyers and there is no sympathy for sellers. If that is not hypocrisy, then what is. Why should the seller even have to bear a loss of Re 1. Or are the benefits of the community only reserved for buyers and anyone who is selling is just someone to be taken advantage of.
See, if you are talking about community and camaraderie then you can't take just one side, the benefits should be for sides.

 

[salman8506]

That's not how free market works. The mods and admins have laid down the rules that price policing is not allowed. One has to post a link of the same product which lists the price lower than that of the seller. This will usually not happen for a second hand product. Earlier, with eBay it could have still happened, but OLX and Facebook group links have no meaning whatsoever, which is what most people speculate pricing on these days forgetting that OLX is for local people and Facebook groups have their own issues. Also, people forget that there is no fixed pricing in second hand market and prices fluctuate like anything. In second hand market, price depends on what one is willing to pay and whether the seller is willing to let it go for that much. These negotiations need to be between the buyer and the seller. Why can't others stop butting in? These are no essential commodities that we are trading here which need to be price-controlled. People keep only talking about buyers and there is no sympathy for sellers. If that is not hypocrisy, then what is. Why should the seller even have to bear a loss of Re 1. Or are the benefits of the community only reserved for buyers and anyone who is selling is just someone to be taken advantage of.
See, if you are talking about community and camaraderie then you can't take just one side, the benefits should be for sides.

Not taking one side, people do comment on pricing when someone prices low but thats not price policing, when price is high and someone comments and it becomes price policing.

Again not against one or other just expressing my views based on whats going on in the forum lately. now coming to olx and fb, i have picked up lot of deals and that is a much bigger market then te is so in some ways reference to those markets will always be quoted just as you said it is not how the free market works you have to look at all possible options before passing a verdict on whats valid or invalid. Lowballers and scammer do exist but they always have and always will exist, even on te people have got banned for shady dealing's.

Been on this forum for a very long time just like you and all up for following rules that are laid down by mods.

 

[rdst_1]

Not taking one side, people do comment on pricing when someone prices low but thats not price policing, when price is high and someone comments and it becomes price policing.

Again not against one or other just expressing my views based on whats going on in the forum lately. now coming to olx and fb, i have picked up lot of deals and that is a much bigger market then te is so in some ways reference to those markets will always be quoted just as you said it is not how the free market works you have to look at all possible options before passing a verdict on whats valid or invalid. Lowballers and scammer do exist but they always have and always will exist, even on te people have got banned for shady dealing's.

Been on this forum for a very long time just like you and all up for following rules that are laid down by mods.

But why price police at all? Or even comment or visit threads where one has no interest is buying the item. Do we do that in real life as well? At any given moment, we can find ten stores, both online and offline selling same products at different prices. Do we then visit each of them and tell them that this is the current market price and they are wrong in trying to sell the products at the price they wish to. Do we do the same on OLX as well? No, one only enters such discussions when one has an interest in purchasing that item. That's what free markets are. A seller is free to set his price and buyers are free to negotiate. Why is there a need of a third party?
Also, there is a GPU pricing thread and a Market Price discussion thread right here in the forum where all such discussions can be carried without destroying a marketplace thread but many people can't seem to control their emotions and find the right threads.

Edit - Also, it seems that your and my definition of free market are very different. You point to the different sources available to buyers but conveniently forget that a third party can't or doesn't take part in a transaction in a free market. When I buy something from anywhere, whether it is Amazon, OLX, FB, do I or the seller get bombarded with posts from others who are not a part of the transaction. No, we don't. That's what a free market is, IMHO, where 2 individuals are free to transact without anyone else interfering, for good or bad.