ebay purchase - Bluedart Octroi charges ?

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terence_fdes

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@biozen ..... As you know I had booked my microscope from ebay. Seller has marked the item as 'gift' and yet I am told that I have to pay "octroi".

Despatched through Bluedart & I have a waybill no.
Current Status:
Pickup Date 12 June 2013 From Ambala To Mumbai Status : Linehaul Delayed; Accident/Traffic-Jam
Contact Customer Service


I do not know how much is this stupid octroi. Unfortunately seller did not get back to me with my querry - Why even if it is marked as 'gift' should I pay octroi ?

The rules for Maharashtra [taken from the Fedex Regulatory given by you on the other thread]
Octroi for Commercial shipments
Octroi payment based on applicability by city and paid at the entry gate into the city. Recoverable from the
consignee or shipper. N Form for transiting shipments. Personal
luggage exempted.

Octroi for non-comercial shipments
Octroi payment through FORM A/B. N Form for transiting shipments. Personal luggage exempted

BLUE-DART Regulatory - for maharashtra (mumbai) see Note 15
This is so complicated to seive through

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For a Microscope (even if it for personal use) - would I still have to pay this octroi ? :confused:

Thanks
Terry

[Bluedart has'nt reverted about the 'Linehaul delayed' ] :(
 
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Call up customer care about the "Linehaul Delay" Last week when I was waiting for my laptop the status remained the same for 3 days, even after I had started using my laptop :P
 
Call up customer care about the "Linehaul Delay" Last week when I was waiting for my laptop the status remained the same for 3 days, even after I had started using my laptop :p

Thanks mate. I called them up & they said it would be delivered by this evening.

About octroi - At first the customer service gal said - "As of now, there are no instructions..... But wait you have to pay Rs 337/- "
[I mentioned it to her, that it's a gift & for personal use] but #$%* Grrrr

So dunno if I did the right thing by asking the question :banghead:
 
Seller has marked the item as 'gift' and yet I am told that I have to pay "octroi".
Why even if it is marked as 'gift' should I pay octroi ?
Because sending shipments marked as gifts is a trick that's overdone. Authorities don't believe in it anymore. Sending it marked as "for personal consumption and not for commercial use" is a genuine and a more honest and believable way - especially if its consigned to a house address.

Octroi is around 5-5.5%. Not sure.
At Rs 337, I suspect the shipper showed ~Rs. 6000 as the microscope value. Did he include an invoice?

Next time, if there's a high value shipment coming into town, and if its a personal item, ask the seller to book it for "godown delivery". All transporters/cargo companies have warehouses outside of municipal limits, where octroi is not applicable. If it is worth your while, drive up to the warehouse and personally collect the item from there. If and only if its a personal item, should you be carrying it in your vehicle and you don't need to pay octroi on it.
 
Terry you will have to pay the octroi. That is confirmed.
Log on to the BMC website and you should get a document with the octroi rates for various stuff.(I found one on Pune muncipal's site)
Octroi guys charge some Rs10 or 20 per parcel as clearing charges but Bluedart will charge you 112bucks as service charges for getting the courier cleared for you. (Rs100 as std charges + 12% ST on that :) )

If the seller has shipped the item from one of the Union Territories then you need not pay the octroi as its already paid. Dont know the technical stuff here but I was never charged for octroi for even expensive items if they were shipped from UT.
Excuses as gift/returning damaged product for service are not entertained by octroi. Octroi is applicable even if you buy it as a gift. For damaged products sent for repairs the shipping person has to show a proof of the original invoice and proof of octroi was paid for that sale before.
In all just pay as per the BMC % and save ur self a headache. for the extra charges charged by Bluedart nothing much can be done.
In my case the merchant paid me that Rs112/- after I threatened him to discontinue trade with him.[DOUBLEPOST=1371467649][/DOUBLEPOST]
If and only if its a personal item, should you be carrying it in your vehicle and you don't need to pay octroi on it.
Octroi is applicable even if the item is for individual's personal/own/self/home/non-commercial use.
 
I had to pay 2.5k octroi when I got my LED delivered through Bluedart. Though it was mentioned in the deal, I never thought there would be any octroi. You will definitely have to pay it, without which, they won't release the product.
 
Guys hasn't LBT come into effect in BMC limits?
That was supposed to get rid of octroi; as has been the case in my city since more than a month now!
 
- similar thread is here

@biozen ..... As you know I had booked my microscope from ebay. Seller has marked the item as 'gift' and yet I am told that I have to pay "octroi".

Despatched through Bluedart & I have a waybill no.
Current Status:
Pickup Date 12 June 2013 From Ambala To Mumbai Status : Linehaul Delayed; Accident/Traffic-Jam
Contact Customer Service


I do not know how much is this stupid octroi. Unfortunately seller did not get back to me with my querry - Why even if it is marked as 'gift' should I pay octroi ?

The rules for Maharashtra [taken from the Fedex Regulatory given by you on the other thread]
Octroi for Commercial shipments


Octroi for non-comercial shipments


BLUE-DART Regulatory - for maharashtra (mumbai) see Note 15
This is so complicated to seive through

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For a Microscope (even if it for personal use) - would I still have to pay this octroi ? :confused:

Thanks
Terry

[Bluedart has'nt reverted about the 'Linehaul delayed' ] :(

Octroi is payable for you @ 5.5% + bluedart's agent handling charges @ RS 200-300 IIRC

You cannot argue for personal items, as that rule is for used goods for personal use, like when you are travelling or transferring to Mumbai. New item you cannot skip octroi once it has been held up for a octroi demand.

Now people will claim that they bought xyz worth pqr and never paid octroi, well, if it gets stopped and checked, no option left. if it got skipped and passed through, good.
 
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STOP PRESS

CONSIGNMENT DELIVERED - [ my Microscope ] - The Delivery guy DID NOT ASK FOR ANY PAYMENT/OCTROI CHARGES ?

I am Zapped and Confused- :( but :happy: at the same time.

(Will update folks here on TE in a short while) .... exit 21:51 hrs
 
My responses in ALL CAPS .....apologies (rushing through many things right now)
Because sending shipments marked as gifts is a trick that's overdone. Authorities don't believe in it anymore. Sending it marked as "for personal consumption and not for commercial use" is a genuine and a more honest and believable way - especially if its consigned to a house address.

VERY TRUE & PRACTICAL ADVICE

Octroi is around 5-5.5%. Not sure.
At Rs 337, I suspect the shipper showed ~Rs. 6000 as the microscope value. Did he include an invoice?

NO INVOICE OR BILL WAS INCLUDED ..... [Will follow up on this tomorrow]

Next time, if there's a high value shipment coming into town, and if its a personal item, ask the seller to book it for "godown delivery". All transporters/cargo companies have warehouses outside of municipal limits, where octroi is not applicable. If it is worth your while, drive up to the warehouse and personally collect the item from there. If and only if its a personal item, should you be carrying it in your vehicle and you don't need to pay octroi on it.

YES, THE SHIPMENT WAS OVER 18K..... THE GODOWN TRICK IS REALLY DICEY AS MOST SHIPMENTS TO MUMBAI ARE OFFLOADED AT BHIWANDI OR VASAI ... THATS A REAL HEADACHE.

Terry you will have to pay the octroi. That is confirmed.
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In all just pay as per the BMC % and save ur self a headache. for the extra charges charged by Bluedart nothing much can be done.
In my case the merchant paid me that Rs112/- after I threatened him to discontinue trade with him.[DOUBLEPOST=1371467649][/DOUBLEPOST]
Octroi is applicable even if the item is for individual's personal/own/self/home/non-commercial use.

This really gets so bloody confusing. When I spoke to BlueDart customer care (& about Octroi, when prompted ......see above) they said I would have to pay Rs 337/- which is a low price or rate for the real value of the item.

I think the delivery guy goofed up. [I could be wrong here too]

I have with me just 2 delivery receipts (if we can call it that)
1. BlueDart Delivery Challan ...... which mentions
Freight Rs 100
Fuel Surcharge Rs 50
AWB Fee Rs 50
FOW Charge /Owners Risk Rs 100
TOTAL = Rs 300
(add) Service Tax + Cess = Rs 37
GRAND TOTAL = Rs 337/-

AND
2] Sellers Note
TO WHOMSOEVER IT MAY CONCERN
The following Item/quantity is being sent back to
(my name & residence address)

Sr No. 1
Descp: RXL-4B w 25 prep slides
Qty : 01
Purpose : Gift

The above despatch does not involve any commercial transaction

sd
The Seller

So @biozen did the above ploy work ?

I do not know if the BlueDart delivery guy may show up tomorrow again to claim the Rs 337/-

Now will the seller give me an actual Bill/Invoice for the Item which I paid 18k ?

My dealings with the seller was very cordial - I spoke (emails actually) to him about this microscope was a gift to my daughter who is in the 7th grade (a Fact). He further even included 25 prepared slides + a box of over 50 blank slides and cover-slips as a true Gift to my daughter & for which he has charged me nothing.

I had to pay 2.5k octroi when I got my LED delivered through Bluedart. Though it was mentioned in the deal, I never thought there would be any octroi. You will definitely have to pay it, without which, they won't release the product.

AS CONFUSED AS EVER ..... I did not pay anything. Delivery guy never asked :banghead:

Octroi is applicable even if the item is for individual's personal/own/self/home/non-commercial use.

Really dunno what is the truth with the confounded BMC.

Common sense tells me that the above is "bullshit" ..... when we already pay so many other taxes and charges & what not ..... why should there be another category of loot especially when the said product is purely for "educational purposes" and has no commercial bearing. Here a microscope & elsewhere @RajeshJ - a telescope !!

Octroi is payable for you @ 5.5% + bluedart's agent handling charges @ RS 200-300 IIRC

You cannot argue for personal items, as that rule is for used goods for personal use, like when you are travelling or transferring to Mumbai. New item you cannot skip octroi once it has been held up for a octroi demand.

Now people will claim that they bought xyz worth pqr and never paid octroi, well, if it gets stopped and checked, no option left. if it got skipped and passed through, good.

I got the nightmares when I started calculating Octroi @5.5% + other charges two days back [the actual value of the microscope was over 18k]...........

So we have shitty rules with "loopholes" and if and when it works - then as you say, it's to our advantage. Or else "Pay-Up".

So moral of the story (experience) - There is No certainty of these "charges" being applied "always" ..... If you are lucky & the seller has packaged the shipment smartly then it's Yippee or else Doom.

Is there some relief or clarity on these things in future ????
 
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^You are lucky mate, happens with me sometimes too, I imported so etching from USA, even after getting a bill of entry asking me to pay 600 customs, nothing was charged on delivery by bluedart...
 
From what I have observed & experienced with eBay, Flipkart, Snapdeal, etc etc sites that if brought from eBay the buyer has to take care of all the post purchase problems, but when brought from flipkart, snapdeal or non eBay sites, usually seller takes care of all this.

I dont know if I am lucky, as I had opened a tread regarding the some but I didnt have any problems later.

anyone else has the same experience ????

and yes regarding International purchases, when my office was in fort, mumbai .... I bought 2-3 items & I wasnt charged anything, but when I changed my job to parel, the postal guys charge me duty, even when you request the seller to declare the item of less value, the postal guys open the parcel to check & re seal it back again, which can be seen, because its tied with jute rope & then that red postan seal all around it.
 
Terry you are not lucky....
This is the line that saved you....
The above despatch does not involve any commercial transaction
This means that the value of the product was "proven" as zero and Bluedart only charged you the clearance charges.

Rest all stands true... like you have to pay for new items even if they are for your personal use. Only in case you are shifting to the city/ have an old item(invoice needed to prove its old) only then you can bring it in the city without paying octroi....
If the product is for educational purpose our stupid regulations use the name of the firm to which the invoice is billed to decide if its really for educational purpose :D
(One more example is buying sports goods. If you buy in name of society or some local mandal any dealer will happily give additional discounts. Seems that they get some tax reliefs for goods sold to such gyms/society which in turn promotes a healthy society. All this info from Total sports shop in Phoenix mall)

Anyways..... Njoy your microscope.... and post some pics.... (Can you click the pics of magnified stuff?? or does it have any output for displays?? )

Buying online is fun and convenient but being a Punekar I know what PITA it is to get thru octroi...
 
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Terry you are not lucky....
This is the line that saved you....

This means that the value of the product was "proven" as zero and Bluedart only charged you the clearance charges.

Agreed.... the line & other notes from the "seller" that saved me the octroi thingy.

The Bluedart delivery guy never came back today. So I ended up "paying NOTHING" to Bluedart.
(A Mystery ) BUT I am :happy:


Rest all stands true... like you have to pay for new items even if they are for your personal use. Only in case you are shifting to the city/ have an old item(invoice needed to prove its old) only then you can bring it in the city without paying octroi....
If the product is for educational purpose our stupid regulations use the name of the firm to which the invoice is billed to decide if its really for educational purpose :D
(One more example is buying sports goods. If you buy in name of society or some local mandal any dealer will happily give additional discounts. Seems that they get some tax reliefs for goods sold to such gyms/society which in turn promotes a healthy society. All this info from Total sports shop in Phoenix mall)

Sigh .. truly all stupid. It's important that we are aware of the "loopholes" and figure out the best 'escape route'.


Anyways..... Njoy your microscope.... and post some pics.... (Can you click the pics of magnified stuff?? or does it have any output for displays?? )

I will post pics and a review .... I & my daughter are just getting the hang of it. Thanks to the 25 readymade/prepared slides that the seller (Radical Instruments) included (as a special concession). I wanted to check out an 'ant/mosquito/some crawlies' from around the house & would you believe it ... I could'nt find even one [PCI does regular pest-control of our home!!!]

I did not chose any 'display-out' option [say Trinocular microscope] or 'usb-eyepiece' as I wanted to restrict my budget to below 20k. The scope that I chose is 'laboratory use' certified. Will try some DIY stuff to click pics.

Buying online is fun and convenient but being a Punekar I know what PITA it is to get thru octroi...

I am a TOTAL ONLINE FREAK ..... my entire RIG which I purchased last year was procured online from 5 sources, apart from other things for the home. BUT I never ran into this 'octroi' shit until now.

Cheers
Terry
 
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