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[Lord Nemesis]

This has not been the first time I am in to any online deal, but I will remember how Indian fellows treated my argument w/o looking at its veracity. Wait for day when you will be at my place & mind you I would not take this so stupid way as you have been taking.

What if I say he gave us a faulty piece? You wont believe coz you are captivated with that high no. of posts or some itrust scorings. Is it a proof of someone's future conduct?

No its not. So better be wise & think before you speak.

You really think no one else was in your poistion ever. I bought a PSP from a low post count newbie member on these very forums. The day I received it, I checked everything and found that there was problem connecting and transferring files from my Computer. I infomed the seller immediately and asked his opinion on what might be the problem. He had no useful clues, I then trouble shooted myself and found that the USB cable supplied was bad and using a different cable works. I bought the PSP at my own risk and responsibility, so I did not press him any futhter on that. Even if the PSP were not working, I would have left the matter at the discretion of the seller. I would not shamelessly (As you put it yourself) demand a refund because I read the terms of the sale and understand that I bought it on trust and at my own risk.

Its not like anybody wants to victimize your or anything. In your case, Whatever evidence there is points to your being entirely at fault. The seller specifically mentioned "No warranty", If you purchase in spite of that, it means that you are purchasing solely at your own risk and responsibility and you are entitled to jack legally or morally and its entirely at the discretion of the seller what to do if something does not work. Secondly you claimed that there was a problem the very first day, then why didn't you inform the seller immediately. No one in his sane mind would go ahead and so something as big as a firmware update (Which almost always carries a risk of something going wrong) that already has problems without informing the seller or have the audacity to claim a refund after bricking the phone. Whatever entitlement you had (albeit even at the discretion of the seller) went poof when you took that step.

Just put yourself in the sellers place, if I bought a phone from you and you do not hear of any problems after I received it. I mess around with it for a week and then after a week claim that the phone has bricked and that there was a problem from the start, what would you think? In a Jiffy, you would come to the very same conclusion that the people here have arrived at.

If indeed there was problem from the first day and you had informed the buyer immediately, the seller and the rest of us would have trusted you, but not after the suspicious way you have handled things.

I am still proud of myself & people like me atleast like a true fighter I have been fighting my case quite gently & with all prudence unlike the seller.

You are misconceived about this. You have got absolutely no god damned reason to fight at all. You are just fighting without any valid reason.

Looking forward to refund shamelessly.

Shamelessly indeed. :no:

 

[Aces170]

I am not posting the staff view but mine:

The buyer might be 100% right here, he might have received a faulty piece. But he has made 2 critical errors in the transaction:

1. He as accepted a transaction without warranty

2. He should have informed the seller before any of the so called "troubleshooting steps" taken,

And to top it, he wants TE to act as a counsel, when we have no authority/obligation to be one, and when a mod gives a opinion he calls it biased. IMO he is extremely lucky to get a refund. I have a half a mind to just plain ban the guy for the way he conducted during the entire transaction, and actually trying to justify his actions too. But he has not directly broken any rules, except for threatening TE (we should include that in our list.. ). I will close the thread after the buyer receives his refund, and neither of them have any further issues.

 

[tech.addict]

Thanks everybody.

Amount transferred to buyers account. Proof of payment sent through PM.

Once he confirms receipt - MODs may close the thread.

 

[sakshamkatyal]

First respected TE staff & other members.

I never wished to fell in this big mess or a seld concocted problem(as you people say)

I decided to buy a phone for a young chap who is my cousin+friend. I got one for him from Mr.Chatterji.

rest of the story is there in front of you, but few points I would like to make clear.

1.The amount of experience I can't risk a phone to brick.

2.I never did anything with the phone that tamper it in its hardware or software(yes I mean it) I just tried to upgrade a phone which I thought must have got corrupt in software terms(as has been the case with PPC's generally)

Why I did it? was I dumb? Probably I was dumb not to act stupid & did a wise thing by not disturbing the seller, but that turned out to be a deal breaker as seller thought it to be a tampering with the hardware. Which supposedly it was not.

3.I never tried to threaten TE, rather why would I, its not a human being, its just an entity which stands on some rules some principles & on some vision, I just tried to call upon that. I am a law abiding netizen, where is the question of threatning this place arise at all, but what made me upset was the view taken by a staff member of this community..

although I have been cleared out with that by some staff member.

I didn't even try to threaten seller, but one thing was sure, had he been reluctant to refund I may have asked my friends to deal with the whole issue coz he had some gross allegations which were nothing but lies. I was not ready to accept his view, we did nothing with the device & I may have never lived up comfortably with that version of the deal.

A policemen may have visited him very shortly from my friends office to clarify everything, but that was a last resort, I even told the seller about all this. May be he was moved at some point or the other by this.

4.I will never quit trading on this forum(only if forum allows me) I will show how one seller is suppose to commute.

I give you one eg of my recent deal where the buyer is asking for 2 days warranty & voluntarily I am giving him 1 week warranty.

He wants to deal with me inspite of the remarks Archat had posted on my profile. He knows as a buyer that I am right. Thats where my victory lies.

It was a personal deal & not with a shopkeeper, If I would care to refund in a week I may expect the same from other people.

You people may think I am wrong but I still feels I am right & will feel so till the end.

Tommorrow if you will come in same problem, PM me I will be the first one to write in your favour.

I wish good Luck to all buyers, those who think I am lucky to get the refund, let me admit yes I am because I was right, not because seller had any intentions. He did his best to lessen the refund at the max.

Good Luck.

Regards

Saksham

PS: I am yet to receive the money. As what is my due, I am going to post my itrust rating for Archat.

 

[Spectre]

Just ONE question to the Self professed HONEST buyer

What was your business fiddling around with the phone, flashing ROM, taking it to a service center ALL WITHOUT informing the seller, when you wanted a refund

 

[sakshamkatyal]

LOL I never wanted a refund till the time I came to know that it is a problem which is out of my reach & when the person at HTC said its an old fault I did nothing but talked to archat. Had I been wrong I may have concocted some other story but I believe in speaking truth & said what all I had.

I for the first & the last time never wanted to bother seller had this problem being a software one. Good Luck.

Forget about the issue, think I am wrong & I have no problem. I will wait for a day when you will be at my place. I wish you never be one, coz you never have friends in the seller city always. LOL

Regards

Saksham

 

[tech.addict]

Here are some of his polite messages:

This is complete partial view I must on the part of this global mod, I dont know whether rest of your team shares the same view. If they do then they should come in public & let me know about it so I could take the rest of the matter in my hand.

you people have such elaborate setup of buying & trading, is this what all safeguards you have? The device I got was defective & imagine what you have to say to me. I would surely then like to talk to the admin regarding few legal issues that involves in this entire deal. Although I may least bothered to do that. If ebay boss in India can be booked for a sale of X rated movies on his site, so is TE boss entitled to court's pronouncements regarding any dealing transacted through this site.

.........

Mr.Chatterji I will see what all I can do offline coz you seems to have worked well with your tactics of misleading the entire staff.

Here are excerpts from the buyers PM:

Mods are limited to this forum I will take this matter out of this forum. You are taking way much. you are irresponsible enough to take the whole situation. I will take this matter further & would not let you go scott free. I am telling you it all happened with you & you just pass on the handset in defect.

Either do something or else I will have to do something, I wont let this deal go like this.

now you are testing my patience, when I tried to be a gentlemen & thought not to disturb you in first instance & rather took pains in dealing with the problem, you are taking it entirely in a wrong way. What 3 days? there always use to be atleast 7days for any genuine deal. Seems you want to throw it on me. either be generous or else I may have to take some other options. You are rubbing your hands out of entire deal.

Here was my post in the forum regarding refund:

I will take back the phone and return you the money you paid without the shipping charge and cash deposit charge charged by ICICI [Rs. 5500 - (200+150) = 5150] if the phone is delivered to me without any evidence of physical damage.

Also, he posted about the defect in the XDA forum on 21.7.09 on 9:17AM about the problem of the phone and that the HTC service center guys told him that the phone has motherboard defect - but he PMed me only on 7:05 PM - it took about 10 hours on his part to inform me about that - isn't that abnormal.

When you realize that you received a faulty item or the item goes kaput after a day or two what you guys do - don't you get panicky and calls the seller immediately? At least I do.

Similar type of thing did happen to me in another forum where I'd bought a used lappy. On receiving the lappy I realized that I was given a laptop with a lower configuration than what was mentioned in post. What I did was - I called the seller immediately - posted in the forum immediately along with the screen shot and photo of the laptop - and PMed the mods then and there. I had very few post in that forum at that time and no trader rating at all at that time. But, as my action was justified, the dispute was settled by the MODs.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Why I did it? was I dumb? Probably I was dumb not to act stupid & did a wise thing by not disturbing the seller, but that turned out to be a deal breaker as seller thought it to be a tampering with the hardware. Which supposedly it was not.

Yes, you are if you thought that you will take matters into your own hand without even informing the seller and later expect him to refund for a bricked phone, If you thought its an inconvenience to the seller, you should have bore the loss as well after bricking the phone considering that the seller never mentioned any sort of warranty.

A policemen may have visited him very shortly from my friends office to clarify everything, but that was a last resort, I even told the seller about all this. May be he was moved at some point or the other by this.

And what's that going to achieve? Morally, it was totally your fault and legally, never even had anything againist him. There is no legally acceptable proof that even a deal took place in the first place, after you returned the phone, it was only goodwill on the sellers part that he made the refund, If he did not, legally you could not have done jack about it. My dad was a Magistrate and I know for sure that you have nothing againist him.

4.I will never quit trading on this forum(only if forum allows me) I will show how one seller is suppose to commute.

Then for gods sake keep your eyes open for rules/terms of sale and honor them.

I give you one eg of my recent deal where the buyer is asking for 2 days warranty & voluntarily I am giving him 1 week warranty.

As a seller that's your choice, you are free to your own terms and conditions. It does not mean that you can force them on others even when they stated to the contrary.

It was a personal deal & not with a shopkeeper, If I would care to refund in a week I may expect the same from other people.

No you cannot expect the same from people and especially if they have not stated it in their terms of sale and you have not clarified about it yourself before hand. For example I may say that I will give Life time warranty on anything I sell (which I hardly ever do) and expect the same from the people I buy from, will this work for you if I bought something from you without reading the terms of the sale and then expect you to refund/replace even after 2~3 years?

Every one has their own way of going about a sale and the buyer is expected to abide by the terms of sale when he closes a deal and both parties have to abide by the rules of the forum.

I wish good Luck to all buyers, those who think I am lucky to get the refund, let me admit yes I am because I was right, not because seller had any intentions. He did his best to lessen the refund at the max.

You are indeed lucky that the seller was good enough to make a refund. No one else would have and there was jack you could do about it because you were in the wrong. In fact you would not have been able to do anything even if the seller had not returned the money after finding that the phone was bricked.

This is not the first time a deal has gone sour due a buyer being ignorant/negligent about the forum rules and the terms and conditions of the sale and vice versa. So don't make your own assumptions about the terms of a sale without going though them properly.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

This is complete partial view I must on the part of this global mod, I dont know whether rest of your team shares the same view. If they do then they should come in public & let me know about it so I could take the rest of the matter in my hand.
you people have such elaborate setup of buying & trading, is this what all safeguards you have? The device I got was defective & imagine what you have to say to me. I would surely then like to talk to the admin regarding few legal issues that involves in this entire deal. Although I may least bothered to do that. If ebay boss in India can be booked for a sale of X rated movies on his site, so is TE boss entitled to court's pronouncements regarding any dealing transacted through this site.

That just goes to show how much he understands the forum rules. It also shows he knows jack shit about the law :rofl: This guy is too lucky, on any other big forum he would have been banned in a jiffy.

 

[sakshamkatyal]

chatterji go & scam others somewhere else, you left me because you know who my friends are. Got you. Dont pose this good goody picture in front of everyone. I did everything as per the rules of this place.

Now you didn't find a scapegoat now you are devoting entire energy on making faults out of my words. I said what I had faced, Had it been a software problem I may have not even bothered you.

Now its just that you have been forced to kneeled down, you trick seems to have play spoil on your own. You can make fool of any teenager but not me. I know people like you who do all such heinous acts under the cloak of your post count & many successful deals.

I regret not to understand your initial tricks before the deal. You were hardly clear with it since inception & I fallen in the trap of your post counts & itrade ratings. You were mysterious since the beginning I talked to you on the phone. Enjoy your defected phone now.

You got back what you sent to me. You had same problem in the past as well & passed the buck to me.

You took words from my lines that phone is even not charging when its hardly the case.

You did your part by leaving those itrade ratings & now its my turn as a genuine buyer to beware about your real face.

people like you are blot on open free communities, I have dealt with people abroad & never had any problem(not even a single one) this is the first time I was dealing in regards to a phone with an Indian seller & I am really so thankful to god to teach me a lesson that anything can go wrong, always get ready with your post deal saving mechanisms.

Enjoy your defecting piece, you costed me 1500 for this inconvenience, Had I been aware of your colors I should have sent the memory card back to you as well. I should have done the deal on ala carte basis rather then table d'hote, where I have been forced to pay 1500 for rs.700 item. Enjoy with these earnings.

Regards

Saksham

 

[tech.addict]

That just goes to show how much he understands the forum rules. It also shows he knows jack shit about the law :rofl: This guy is too lucky, on any other big forum he would have been banned in a jiffy.

Hey buddy! don't dare to say that - he is a lawyer.

He also has some police friends - expect someone to your place soon.

hyeah:

chatterji go & scam others somewhere else, you left me because you know who my friends are. Got you. Dont pose this good goody picture in front of everyone. I did everything as per the rules of this place.

Now you didn't find a scapegoat now you are devoting entire energy on making faults out of my words. I said what I had faced, Had it been a software problem I may have not even bothered you.

Now its just that you have been forced to kneeled down, you trick seems to have play spoil on your own. You can make fool of any teenager but not me. I know people like you who do all such heinous acts under the cloak of your post count & many successful deals.

I regret not to understand your initial tricks before the deal. You were hardly clear with it since inception & I fallen in the trap of your post counts & itrade ratings. You were mysterious since the beginning I talked to you on the phone. Enjoy your defected phone now.

You got back what you sent to me. You had same problem in the past as well & passed the buck to me.

You took words from my lines that phone is even not charging when its hardly the case.

You did your part by leaving those itrade ratings & now its my turn as a genuine buyer to beware about your real face.

people like you are blot on open free communities, I have dealt with people abroad & never had any problem(not even a single one) this is the first time I was dealing in regards to a phone with an Indian seller & I am really so thankful to god to teach me a lesson that anything can go wrong, always get ready with your post deal saving mechanisms.

Enjoy your defecting piece, you costed me 1500 for this inconvenience, Had I been aware of your colors I should have sent the memory card back to you as well. I should have done the deal on ala carte basis rather then table d'hote, where I have been forced to pay 1500 for rs.700 item. Enjoy with these earnings.

Regards

Saksham

Don't ever think that you had all the powers in the world and I have none because I didn't bothered to show you. How you dreamed that I have no connection where I live since I'm born - come to my city and you'll be surprised.

And if I was not supportive - who the hell in world forced you to buy the phone. Did I beg you to buy my phone?

You must be dumb or blind. Because you can't even read what is written in plain English in the posts from the beginning of the deal.

However regarding pricing - let me clear. You paid me 6500 buck for the following:

The phone

The 8GB card

The card reader

Shipping charge

I refunded you Rs 5150 taking the price of the phone as 5500. I deducted Rs. 200 for shipping through TNT Express and Rs. 150 for outstation cash deposit to my ICICI account. I assumed the price of the card and card reader as Rs. 1000.

Can you show me a link where a 8GB class 4 sandisk microSd card and card reader with warranty is available for 700 Rs.?

BTW, I'm enjoying the bricked phone now - courtesy - you - THE CHEATER.

 

[sakshamkatyal]

Huh lucky, because I was true. get off & have some air man, your head is too stuck with Archatmania. LOL. I am thankful to TE staff for at least giving me a continuous chance to post my grievances, although there have been some slippages in the beginning but I started realising the precarious situation this whole deal offered. I myself have been admin at many world famous forums knows how difficult that job is.

I thank my friends gaurav & anurag for their support, had they not been there in bengal this scammer may have not even think of refunding my amount.

Cheers.

I am yet to have the refund back to my account, No sms yet from the bank.

Regards

Saksham

 

[tech.addict]

In fact you are grateful to me - its me who PMed the TE MODs to reopen the thread so that any issue can be solved.

I just can't imagine joining a forum where you are one of the MOD.

Regarding payment if you have given the account number correctly - you will receive it. I've sent you the copy of the confirmation page for the fund transfer.

 

[sakshamkatyal]

I am not here to show who has power or whatever, I am a man of 21st century & think like that, I never bully you nor I believe in doing that. You are elder to me & I am having all the respect other than this deal. I called you DADA & will call you in the same manner. But yes thanks to my links I have been able to shatter your dreams of looting a young man. No flamming, no fights on the forum, this is a place inhabited by civilized people so act like one. If you have good links try to use to do something good.

As far as the card is concern, I even commented in your thread about my assertion & later I thought you are agreeing in offering me it at around 700 or something. Check ebay Sandisk offering 8gb for 750 or something.

Cheers.

Kindly stop before mods could actually come in & stops us.

They have already given us enough room to settle this issue, thanks to them for their concern & effort in opening & closing this thread.

Regards

Saksham

 

[tech.addict]

BTW my uncle is ACP of Calcutta police - if you want his name - I can give you.

Ohh after threatning the MODs you suddenly became sympathetic to them - very kind of you!!

And regarding your attitude - I've already posted some of your posts.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Hey buddy! don't dare to say that - he is a lawyer.

He also has some police friends - expect someone to your place soon.

hyeah:

Oh...I am so scared now :O

Maybe not . Little good it will do. That kind of antic may actually scare a kid, but as I said my dad was a magistrate himself with widespread contacts and has the distinction of straightening more than a few policemen at various ranks. Any way's even If I have the power to do so, I would never stoop so low as to use influence/contacts to illegally send policemen to someone's place to try to unfairly force them into submission or even talk about doing such a thing.

 

[tech.addict]

Any way's even If I have the power to do so, I would never stoop so low as to use influence/contacts to illegally send policemen to someone's place to try to unfairly force them into submission or even talk about doing such a thing.

+1
Moreover the friends or relatives that I have will never do anything illegal even if I request them.
However, enough is enough.
Keep peace and have a good night's sleep.

 

[Aces170]

Ok,

So we had enough of my dad will kick your dad's ass. Am closing this thread. God cant you fight your own battles, without mentioning those dreaded words "You have no idea who I am..."