Market Feedback Intentional Negative feedback.

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skumar9988

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Hi Mods,
I started an IC Thread for Del BH-200 in Maret section.
Among all interested one was TH399 and i shipped a BH-200 to him after payment.
There was a lil mistake at my end and a wrong pcs was sent to both th399 and Shrikanth.addala and even Better Product was sent to prakhargr8 (he still has to pay Rs. 200 for that).
When he recieved the headphone he said it was not the one he shud get. I agreed and said that i dont have any headset left with me so that i can change and I can Refund whole of your amount with shipping charges..
Meawhile I got another buyer amitsharmameetu from his city i.e. NOIDA. So I asked Amit to collect it from and pay the amount.
Yesterday I deposited amount to accounts of both users. I have slips of both bank deposits. (Dont have net banking so i always do a bank deposit.)
Today after recieving the amount this guy has left a negative feedback which is not fair.
I gave him every offer that i can and still i got this.
MODS PLS LOOK UP INTO THIS MATTER AS I CANT BEAR A NEGATIVE FEEDBACK THAT I DONT DESERVE.
 
You have already PM'ed the mods AND reported the itrader rating AND now started a feedback thread. Why can't you patiently wait while the concerned mod looks into it?

We will not simply remove -ve ratings without hearing both sides of the story.

On a side note - Market section deals are ONLY for personal sales. GOs should be in the Hot deals section.
 
Ok I don't understand the exact purpose of this thread. Why is it called 'intentional'?

These are your mistakes that I see:

1. You shipped the buyer wrong product.

2. You don't have any more left in stock and hence buyer has to wait.

3. You were willing to refund the money including shipping charges but buyer still has to go through all that hassle. His money is still stuck with you till then.

Buyer's mistake I see:

Technically, I do not see any mistakes from his side as negative feedback CAN be left in this type of cases but most of the people don't do so as a good gesture. However it entirely depends on the buyer.

So honestly, I don't think it's wrong to leave -ve feedback in this type of case. I would not have done so had I been to buyers place but then again that cannot be called as mistake or 'intentional' -ve feedback.
 
Atleast he shud not do this saying i havent returned the amount.

he has done this after recieving amount.

prakhargr8 didnt even gave a satisfactory reply and still i didnt did any such thing.

its hurting me more cos i helped th399 by skipping 2-3 members just cos he wanted to gift it to her gf.

sorry mods i didnt knew how to report trader rating.so i started this thread.

Amol Initially he paid for the product what is shipped to him. Later he paid the extra amount for a new piece which was returned to him.
 
i guess skumar is right provided he has returned the money in time ...th399 should have been more patient ...if the money has been returned there is no reason to leave a -ve feedback on the money basis ...in that case a -ve feedback will be justifiable on poor service basis....

my tc
 
Ok. Since I've been told by the MODS to give my side of the story, I will. I understand the problems kumar has with the feedback and stick by what I've said.

1. I asked for a product costing Rs 1450. Upon paying the amount and informing him about the same I received a message to deposit Rs 200 more for a new headset. I did that because as kumar has revealed my personal information, it is for my girlfriend. Another thing kumar, respect the private in PMs.

2. I received the product and to my surprise it was in bad condition. With scratches and a portion melted on the band. I was really annoyed about this since I'd already committed as a gift. I told him about it. He first doubted me and later in the day said his brother has responsible for the mistake.

3. He then had the audacity to give share my details with a stranger who called me regarding the headset. He wanted me to play the middleman here! What if this buyer complained later about the condition? Should I be held responsible? This is just not done kumar! He even tried to dictate the courier back amount in case it would come to that. Rs 30! What about my time, the packaging, what if it got damaged in transit? Should I be blamed for any of that! What was to be a short deal was then a annoying arguement with more people than intended having my number. It's my official number. I do not need more calls from people I don't know about things that shouldn't be my business.

3. He took more than 1 day, which is the time he's signaled he'll take to deposit the money back. And everyday he was here on the forums. Was my money that unimportant to him?

4. Tell everybody kumar how many days you took? Let's see your excuses this time. Yes, he deposited the money on the 23rd. I made the comment on the 24th. I didn't see it. I had explicitly asked him to tell me when he does it. He did not. Really for 24 hours I was still thinking about my money regardless the small amount. I do not like getting cheated. He could have done me the courtesy of a PM to tell me so. MODS can see that I've been here and checked my account often to know about the same.

He begged me to remove the negative post from his thread. I had goodfaith and agreed enough to quote my last post and reply very very positively. But kumar the money should have been delivered on time at least. That was the final draw. Either way at every point in this deal he's been a pain for me. Calling me up during a meeting more than 10 times!!!

Everyone who says he returned it on time is wrong. And the PMs speak the same. And Kumar, you gave me negative feedback too. I don't like it either, but just look at the inconvenience you've caused me. It's more than justified. You gave me one for hitting back and fine! I hope it feels good. But seriously I will never deal with you again and want everybody to know the dangers of dealing with you.

tallyme said:
i guess skumar is right provided he has returned the money in time ...th399 should have been more patient ...if the money has been returned there is no reason to leave a -ve feedback on the money basis ...in that case a -ve feedback will be justifiable on poor service basis....
my tc
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I agree with you. And am open to remove the money part to speak about the excess delay in the same. Rest for me it's still a negative experience.
 
the399 said:
Ok. Since I've been told by the MODS to give my side of the story, I will. I understand the problems kumar has with the feedback and stick by what I've said.

1. I asked for a product costing Rs 1450. Upon paying the amount and informing him about the same I received a message to deposit Rs 200 more for a new headset. I did that because as kumar has revealed my personal information, it is for my girlfriend. Another thing kumar, respect the private in PMs.

2. I received the product and to my surprise it was in bad condition. With scratches and a portion melted on the band. I was really annoyed about this since I'd already committed as a gift. I told him about it. He first doubted me and later in the day said his brother has responsible for the mistake.

3. He then had the audacity to give share my details with a stranger who called me regarding the headset. He wanted me to play the middleman here! What if this buyer complained later about the condition? Should I be held responsible? This is just not done kumar! He even tried to dictate the courier back amount in case it would come to that. Rs 30! What about my time, the packaging, what if it got damaged in transit? Should I be blamed for any of that! What was to be a short deal was then a annoying arguement with more people than intended having my number. It's my official number. I do not need more calls from people I don't know about things that shouldn't be my business.

3. He took more than 1 day, which is the time he's signaled he'll take to deposit the money back. And everyday he was here on the forums. Was my money that unimportant to him?

4. Tell everybody kumar how many days you took? Let's see your excuses this time. Yes, he deposited the money on the 23rd. I made the comment on the 24th. I didn't see it. I had explicitly asked him to tell me when he does it. He did not. Really for 24 hours I was still thinking about my money regardless the small amount. I do not like getting cheated. He could have done me the courtesy of a PM to tell me so. MODS can see that I've been here and checked my account often to know about the same.

He begged me to remove the negative post from his thread. I had goodfaith and agreed enough to quote my last post and reply very very positively. But kumar the money should have been delivered on time at least. That was the final draw. Either way at every point in this deal he's been a pain for me. Calling me up during a meeting more than 10 times!!!

Everyone who says he returned it on time is wrong. And the PMs speak the same. And Kumar, you gave me negative feedback too. I don't like it either, but just look at the inconvenience you've caused me. It's more than justified. You gave me one for hitting back and fine! I hope it feels good. But seriously I will never deal with you again and want everybody to know the dangers of dealing with you.

I agree with you. And am open to remove the money part to speak about the excess delay in the same. Rest for me it's still a negative experience.
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I agree ... kumars indeed deserves a negetive feedback ... keeping aside the money part ... how can he ship a defective piece ... not gud kumar .. not gud at all ..:@
 
i think kumar is at fault

if his bro had been playing around with the said hardware he is about to sell he should have taken the said thing asap

the399 is right and i also would not like peeps calling me or playing middleman

it is the duty of the seller to ensure the product is in great condition or the condition he has spocken about

i think kumar giving a -ve feedback is totally wrong and mods should cancel the negetive feedback given by him coz it makes no sense to me that when he is at fault how can he give negetive feedback to him
 
The seller is definitely at fault same thing happened to me on Ebay when the seller sent the wrong product to me and wasn't offering a refund until finally after a month of problems he returned the money.

Dude do not share Personal Details. This will again change the way I deal with people on TE I am now always going to ask for an Ebay listing if going for something second hand since if I don't receive the product I can cancel the payment.
 
Okey...

here is whole story of the deal..
MAY BE NOT VERY MANAGED

I got few BH-200 from a local dealer at a decent price and i decided to sell them here for a very lil profit but more importantly for building up some repo on forum as everyone would like to..

There were two types of headphones-mfg in 2009 and mfg in 2008 and were priced 1450 and 1650 respectively.

Initially when i started the deal with the399 we decided abt the pcs for Rs.1450. he deposited the amount to my account. Later I got few more headphones from the dealer and i asked him if he wants a headphone that has mfg date 2008 but is not used at all. The USB ports says everything abt the condition.

There were some errors while shipping the products with srikanth.addala, Prakharshrivastava and the399.. that was because the headphones were packed by me and the address were pasted wrong and that was a mistake.. BUYERS WHO GOT NEW HEADPHONES INDSTEAD OF OLD ONES WERE QUITE and i didnt even asked them again. Even I asked a buyer(if he wants he can share here I m not going to put any name) to deposit the extra amount but he have not even deposited the said amount till now..

and not even expecting..

Again first sri pointed out abt the headphone and I just agreed on refunding the extra amount and he was satisfied. When the399 got the headphone he said everything is alright but it has some dents on joints and then I asked him okey if you dont like it i m ready to refund the amount to you, even i was paying for shipping charges.

Then someone from his city contacted mefor the headphone so I asked telephonically both of them if its comfortable with them to deal mutually. On call the399 agreed but immidiately he left a post in my thread. I called him again asked what you want me to do..

He said just refund the extra amount and i m fine with the deal.. Even i bought the headphone ~1600 i had no option other then to agree. So i agreed to deposit the amount and he commented his previous post instead of editing it. AND WHAT HE REPLIED TO ME IS NO EDIT OPTION AVAILABLE FOR ME SO I CANT EDIT IT. I said okey just give me your account details will deposit the amount.

All this happened on friday evening. I told i have to leave station on saturday for an exam and your money will be deposited by monday. On manday when i was checking account details of Srikanth.Addala and the399 i found sri's acc details missing. I sent a PM to sri and posted in my thread also abt the same.

For some reasons i cudnt go to bank and was unable to deposit the amt on monday but on tuesday morning I deposited the amount.

And the next day i got a negative feedback saying "NOT PAYING THE AMOUNT".

which i dont think from any angle is justified.

It was a mistake at my end but I tried to rectify it as and how the399 wanted and still he gave me a negative feedback.

I wrote this as intentional feedback because he was creating an unusual pressure on me by crapping my thread and the way of talking was always very negative.

Even now when I was getting few more i decided to replace his headphone.

And one other member(even I didnt had any committment to him) if he wants he can share here I m not going to put any name. Just because I dont want anyone feel he hasnt got a nice deal.

In my for sale Post i had clearly mentioned that the headphones were lying aroug with a bunch of wires, etc so consider all of them as old and used pcs.

The thread still says all about this.

http://www.techenclave.com/members-market/dell-bh200-dell-bt-travel-mouse-153485.html#post1335995

If he had said that -ive feedback is on poor service basis i wud have accepted cos that was my fault.

I made a mistake, I admitted and did whatever I can to rectify it and then I got a negative feedback with a false reason..

I REFUSE TO ACCEPT.

Even all of you who have posted saying it is correct to give -ive feedback would have done the same.
EVEN I WAS MAKING CALLS AND WAS SENDING SMS REGULARLY WHENEVER NECESSARY TO ALL BUYERS EVEN AFTER THE DEALS WERE FINISHED. AND THEY CAN CONFIRM IT IF THEY WANT.

At last I personally whole heartedly say sorry for whatever inconvinience was caused to him and will even take back the negative feedback.

And just requesting him to change the reason for the feedback. :)
AGAIN FOR LATE REPLIES AS HE HAS MENTIONED-----ATLEAST FOR ONCE HE WOULD HAVE READ MY SIGNATURE..
REQUEST TO MODS: PLS DECIDE SOMETHING. M SUFFERING A LOT FROM THIS. FROM ANY ANGLE I WONT THINK ITS JUSTIFIED.
 
The seller (kumar) had been busy, and the buyer (the399) had been even more busy. But where kumar has been patient and tried whole heartedly to provide the best options/service to the399, the399 has always been negative/impatient/non-cooperative about it.

But we can't blame the399 because he was the buyer, and the buyer is usually given higher place.

And about that middleman thing, the399 agreed to be one by mistake.

Assessing the points, both should exchange neutral ratings.



Personal opinion: In future, if i was to be dealing with the399 or skumar, i would surely prefer skumar, cause its not the mistakes that matter, but the goodwill and co-operation do.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I think the dude deserves a -ve rating, but like he said, on the bad service bit, not because of the money. If he can provide proof that the money was transferred on the 23rd like he says, his negative rating's summary should be edited, and the references to not returning the money should be removed.

Till then, the399's negative rating also stands. You should assume some good faith on the part of the seller. And you can't expect the same standards from a dude as you would from the dealer. we are all not KMD :P . If he agrees to edit skumar's rating summary , explaining that it was given because of bad service, then I think the399's negative rating should be removed.
 
Where its bad service?

I shipped the products same day I received the payment.

He got the product what he initially paid for.

It wasnt damaged at all. May have some dents and those are supposed to be on a used product.

I dont know why mods and all of you are missing this part. Right from the begining he has done things which no one will do.(Spoiling my thread and not correcting it).

Secondly if the headphone was damaged why he asked me to return some amount. He should have asked full refund, Which i was ready to pay..

and left a negative feedback after he received his payment. Everything was planned from his side.

He never talked to me before doing any of these things. Which clearly shows his intentions.

I m not simply saying it again and again but its a fact.

MODS TAKE THIS SERIOUS PLS....
 
Simply put:
Buyer paid complete amount
Seller goofed up in shipping
Promised goods no more available
Buyer has to wait for refund
A lot of hassles for the buyer and he didn't even receive the goods.
Neg rep justified in my POV for poor service.
 
Just had a quick read and I would say both parties are entitled to their opinion. If there is any information thats changed and needs to be edited, I can delete the399's rating after which he can post an updated rating. Of course, I would expect the399 to be ok with it before me or any mod will take any action.
 
the decision of mods will decide my presence here on te.
Sry to say this but I know I m not wrong. Mods mistakes do happen but I gave him every option.

I dont have any problem with a negative rep but it shud be reasonable. He has tortured me thruout the deal and I was doing all according to him.

I have waited very long and patiently but only for a fair decision.
 
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