Keeping Torrents Alive - Please Take Note

PriyoBan

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Get it out of your head right now that you can just download to the max and cap your upload, to get the file faster and then pay back the torrent when you have got it.

the principals of how BT works is that a file is broken into pieces, the uploader sends these pieces out, in linear order or if in super seed mode, where needed (never super seed, just causes too many problems!)

if you have four peers and one uploader, with the uploader setting their client to connect to four peers, each peer will receive a differnt piece, most likely in order, peer one statistically will receive pieces 1, 5, 9, 13, 17

so this means that whilst downloading the pieces of the torrent off the uploader, you want to be downloading the pieces already given out by the uploader. and in turn, those peers want every other peers pieces.

i am going to describe two broadband lines and average speeds you will see, and beginner with one of these two lines has it easy now.

512/256 you can download at 50/51kbs whilst uploading 20kbs at the same time 1meg/256 you can download about 100/102 whilst uploading 20kbs at the same time.

plan ahead! are there only a few peers on the torrent and the torrent is large, like dvd size or larger? should you be better to cap your download speed with Netlimiter so you aren't taking in too many pieces at once, that you can't pass back out to other peers?

are you bored waiting and go start another smaller torrent while you are waiting (that won't work, now your upload speed is divided between two torrents, making the problem worse!)

has the uploader decided that with their fantastic foreign line that they will upload 4 dvd's worth of data at the same time? are you starting to panic, thinking that with your line, by the time you get the first torrent, and pay back, the next torrent won't be working anymore?

so, what are you going to do? jump on all 4 torrents? give an average upload speed of 5kbs to each torrent? not care about damaging the speeds of the torrents, because "cool torrent mate! i'll keep my client open for weeks to keep this beuaty alive!" yeah, well at 5kbs you will need weeks to pay all the torrents back.

this is where everyone has to understand a very simple fact about torrents, that sadly many people are choosing to ignore.

by not uploading the pieces you received from the uploader, YOU are damaging the torrent. YOU are doing it, it's YOUR fault.

patterns emerge, people ban your IP in their client, days, weeks, months from now the IP's have been exchanged between uploaders and stuck in trackers. there comes a time when your speeds go to hell, you can't get data off people, everythings so slow you start to b**ch and whine about the speeds, without comprehending that maybe your actions in the first place caused this. that IP might even get shared with BT sites where i know people can enter the IP in their tracker and who in turn trust me to make educated decisions and not be juvanile about this sort of thing.

so, everybody think about the health of torrents. don't cap your upload, don't try and get too many torrents at once.

think carefully and pass the word, the information and reasoning on how to properly maintain a torrent needs to be in everyones minds and acted upon.
 
nice topic raised...but i should tell u that i download from torrents like a leech.(but dont leech) .
The objective of uploading & maintaining a good UD ratio is different from keeping the torrent alive.
The pieces as u said would be decided as crap iff u give pieces smaller than 1-2kb/sec all the time...
If u want to cap the upload speed & still dont want to get banned from other torrent client , then according to your upload speed...set the number of upload slots...assuming u have allowed 15kb/sec to upload speed,then set the max upload slots as 15/4= 4 slots. 4 kb /sec is low...but will not get anyone banned....hell...heres' a screenshot how my torrent client looks like all the time....(all the torrents are from same tracker)

arnd 4 files are seeding,
2 files downloading..
confirmed from many others using the same torrent....my ip is not blocked...
 
hmm isnt this the same thing over and over again!!

or is just me that i keep seeing the same kinda info everywere i go??

well anyways.. nice info there :)

people on adsl lines are blessed.. like i am.. you get same u/l and d/l speeds... which allows you to download torrents and also keep uploading at almost the same speed.. when i`m done with a torrent i`m usually at .9 ratio.. which is great....

and ya even if your not on a registered tracker you should atleast have a ratio of .5 on public torrents. .that`s the least you can do.. :)

and yes as super_saiyan said.. keep your upload slots according to your uploads.. higher the upload slots will result the torrent been choked from your side, which might lead to no downloads!

and sometimes its very imp that you leave to torrent to download and pick up the pace on its own... cause sometime some torrents can take around an hour just to come up to full pace!! this normally happens when the peers are all almost choked!

so seed and share.. and as i speak i`m downloading one and seeding another :)..
 
^^Dint get the adsl part there... well neway this excercise is about keeping the torrents alive and running not limping. So if u are running a very well seeded torrent and and ur upload speed is not being fully utilised when you are seeding it... then dont start another badly seeded torrent as that is going affect the upload speed of that torrent... you can always start a torrent which is also well seeded so that even if ur seeding with half your bandwith for a well seeded torrent you could be running(dl+ul) another well seeded torrent without affecting it's performance... but when running a badly seeded torrent run only that... that way on an average ull be help increase their performance... you have to also look from the receiver's point of view.
 
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