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Lately i've been noticing a lot of people on the forums complaining about the blatant violation of rules in the market section. In fact, there are several threads about such users who disregard the rules of the Market. These users can post in the market section in the way they do because there is no system in place to check them. I suggest implementing one such system.

The highlights of this system would be as follows -

* Each thread in the market would only be open to "traders" for posting.

* The only exception to the above rule would be price suggestions. If a different price is suggested by another user, that price would have to be looked at by the mods, or any reputed member of the community, and considered only if the price is relevant in the present market conditions. If the price is found to be irrelevant, then the posts are deleted.

However, if the user making such price suggestions is found to be repeatedly suggesting prices which are way off real market prices, the user must be warned. The user is warned and let off, but if he is found to be doing the same over and over again, he is either banned from the market section.

* If additional information regarding the product is required, a request may be made via a PM to the seller. The seller, would then post the requested information in the thread.

Additionally, i've also seen a lot of spam in the market section. Considering that the market deals with things that have monetary value, a little formality there wouldn't hurt.

Spam in the market section should be viewed seriously, and warnings should be given to erring users, followed by a ban.

I've also noticed a lot of posts with stuff like "Good deal !", "Great combo. go for it guys". I think it is highly inappropriate for such things to show up while trading. Instead, i suggest a system using which members can recommend the deal, or otherwise. This information could be collected using a little dialog box near the first post (see image, excuse the MSpaint work :) ). The ratings for the deal would be shown below, i.e a list of users who recommend the deal, followed by a list of users who are unsatisfied with the deal. This would put an end to mindless spamming in the market threads.



This would require additional resources, but IIRC, someone said we had a lot of spare bandwidth which needed to be put to use. IMO, this system would clean up the market section, and make enforcement of rules easier, and improve the users' trading experience.

Feel free to add your own suggestions...
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Inzider

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Names mentioned/visible in the above post do not imply endorsement of the author's views by the concerned users :)
 
This information could be collected using a little dialog box near the first post (see image, excuse the MSpaint work ). The ratings for the deal would be shown below, i.e a list of users who recommend the deal, followed by a list of users who are unsatisfied with the deal. This would put an end to mindless spamming in the market threads.
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Awesome idea!!!! I support it fully!!!
 
i for one dont mind all the spamming n trolling in any of my threads cuz it acts as a free bump :p ...but nice idea inzi
 
I've also noticed a lot of posts with stuff like "Good deal !", "Great combo. go for it guys". I think it is highly inappropriate for such things to show up while trading. Instead, i suggest a system using which members can recommend the deal, or otherwise. This information could be collected using a little dialog box near the first post (see image, excuse the MSpaint work ). The ratings for the deal would be shown below, i.e a list of users who recommend the deal, followed by a list of users who are unsatisfied with the deal. This would put an end to mindless spamming in the market threads.
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mind reader.. :)

i am already half finished with exact that.. no seriously.. and this is the first time i heard it from someone

anyway there are lots of other things that will be there to cut spam.

1) the "good deal rate box"
2) the "interested" in deal box.. users click that button for those who are actually interested in deal
the seller sees this info (will integrate pm system with this)
once anyone clicks interested.. deal status goes to "under negotiation"
and ofcourse on sale its sold and closed
plus the main page will actually show top deals(based on deal ratings) and new deals and those kinda things
3) and ofcourse ratings..for people..
(ok this is over the top idea.. i can't divulge all details at the moment)
thanks for the suggestion though.. :)
 
Most of suggestions are good.

I was talking to blade about similar issue in market.

Keep a time limit on bumping. On busy forums like AT the limit is 4 hours / bump. There should be such limit from the start. Market here may not be as busy now but its started to buzz.

So keep bump limit / user. but its goodwill if someone wants to use his periodic bump in your thread. This is allowed on most forums. It works two ways. When i have active thread in market you bump mine and vice versa.

The thing i am against is price decider. The seller must have choice to quote his own price on anything he wants to sell. No interfearance there. There are countless crieria for that.

I got PMs and mails asking me to sell cards for low bcoz some deals on imported cards were for cheaper price. But does that mean i should sell my product at lower value just bcoz something else bought in another country got sold cheaper?

No, and this is not only situation, condition of product, urgency of sale and many things decide prices. Leave that to seller and buyer and any suggestion strictly through PM as its now. Keeping watch on pricing is not a good idea. Only thing that anyone can point out is if someone is selling it for more than retail price. Thats it. Value of 2nd hand stuff is better left to be decided by traders :)

Also i want to point out, if you think some friends or past traders give backing to perticular seller is bad this same can be exploited in the sale ratings ;)

My 2 cents.
 
yeah funky, thats what i had indicated in my post above. A reputed TE member will not lowball, and the price suggestion would be considered only if the price being suggested is approved by a staff member, looking at current market prices, and other considerations.
 
@DD: I think funky meant that only the seller can decide the selling price. Safin suggested a box using which users could enter the price they thought fit. I think funky was against this idea.
 
^^^ exactly.

Make an offer box insted. Where anyone can make an offer invisible to others but only visible to the seller.

Thats the best thing to do.
 
That is something even I agree on. The price part i.e . If someone feels that the price is too high but is not buying the item himself, then he should just leave it alone.

Let the person interested in buying the item be aware of the price and let him decide if the price is too high or not.

And yeah..... if I find that a deal is particularly good, then I think I shoul;d be allowed to bump it for the seller. EXAMPLE : Funky's 30K for 7800GT + SD or Darknight's X850 XT PE.

I think that should be allowed. but posting in someone else's thread abt the price being too high or too low, is unfair.
 
We cannot have prices only thru' PM's as although TE does not take responsiblity of any transaction, we have ethical liablity to both seller and buyer, as both equally are TE members.

Lets say tommorow a buyer is cheated, he is not going to say such-a-such buyer cheated me, he would say avoid TE, folks cheat there, just like sometimes we say avoid ebay, people cheat.

Also their are lot's of kids buying on our forums, who do not have any idea of the prices nor they have any info, in such cases we dont want them to pay some unjustified prices just because they lack knowledge, as we at TE are here to provide/share that knowledge with them. Therefore, listing the expected price provides us with the window into who's doing what.

Ultimately, the fact that we are public forum should not be overlooked, as sellers have a right to sell their products at the price they want or feel justified with, the buyer has equal right to buy or want to buy at the price he feels comfortable.

So, Imho, the prices must be listed publicy.

Ofcourse, we wont interfere in any transaction thru' the PM route, but a Expected Price is a must, what buyer and seller do after that is none of our business.

Disclaimer : I am in no way hinting that any buyer or seller is cheating or is going to cheat in future.
 
The prices will be listed publicly. No doubts on that. If a price posted is high, staff members, users... can point that out in the thread. The prices will be in the open for everyone to see. This facility shouldn't be used for lowballing though. I said earlier that any price being posted would need to be verified by the market mods. The price of a lot of items can't just be decided looking at the market value of a new item. A lot of other considerations need to be made as well. That should be left to the seller and the mods as well.
 
DD price must be quoted publicly dude. you didnt get what i meant to say.

I said noone should be allowed to nogotiate publicly or make a statement that i will buy for this price or i can get it cheaper somewhere else etc etc. That should be done by PM or an offer box feature.

Where interested sellers can offer him price different than what he is asking. but that stays confedential.

What i meant to say is seller has the right to decide price. And noone should object to that. If he is asking too much he wont sell. thats his problem. As simple as that. Nowhere i said no price should be quoted publicly. Prime must be there. But whatever seller quotes should be respected atleast publicly. do negotiations in private.
 
^ Yes thats fine with me, i agree, i have seen a lot of smarty's with crazy prizes crappping a thread :)

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funky said:
^^^ exactly.
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and thought it was a answer to my post
dip said:
Funky, are you suggesting we take out the Expected Price criteria ?
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thats why i wrote that lecture :rofl: anyway thats a pointer to what i feel :D

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Ok, basically we all agree on a set of points, and as safin said he would implement it asap :) so all sellers and buyers enjoy the market section, the happening section on TE ;)
 
hehe lol that ^^^ was ment was post above mine and that was inzider :P

Nevrer mind, you got what i wanted to say hehe.
 
good thread.. and i agree, if someone cares enough to report the price quoted is higher, perhaps the admin cud come up with a hack for users to report about that to the staff.. :D
 
There are lot of discrepancies i've noticed in market

1. members bumping threads for close friends other members etc. Though its not a shady practice but we've had problems with sale rigging through multiple ids.

2. Trolling is very common. I can get x product @ such a rate etc...

3. Unrelated OT posts.

4. Overbumping (will be a huge problem soon enough)

I am hoping we could take care of some of the problems stated above in the near future.
 
1. members bumping threads for close friends other members etc. Though its not a shady practice but we've had problems with sale rigging through multiple ids.
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If the mods/admins have proof of this, then you must also know abt the people who are involved in this. So, this is not such a big problem. Coz if I bump a thread for say Funky, you people(mods/admins) will know that it is not a fake ID or something.

But if a guy with multiple Ids starts rigging sales, you will know immediately.... right??

And another suggestion ---- After say abt 6-7 bumps by the seller, I think the mods should delete all the replies and integrate the latest post of the seller in the firts post.

Coz I noticed in Kido's MSI sale thread that he was the only person who posted. there were abt 9 replies or so(dont remember well...) and he kept mon posting "Mods please update my first post". But that was not done.
 
Nikhil said:
If the mods/admins have proof of this, then you must also know abt the people who are involved in this. So, this is not such a big problem. Coz if I bump a thread for say Funky, you people(mods/admins) will know that it is not a fake ID or something.
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Yup since the no of members arent too big right now, its alright. But this will be serious issue once there are a lot of new members. its not possible for to keep track of everyone. :)
But if a guy with multiple Ids starts rigging sales, you will know immediately.... right??
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Its not a given for every case, people have been ripped off at international forums as well.
And another suggestion ---- After say abt 6-7 bumps by the seller, I think the mods should delete all the replies and integrate the latest post of the seller in the firts post.

Coz I noticed in Kido's MSI sale thread that he was the only person who posted. there were abt 9 replies or so(dont remember well...) and he kept mon posting "Mods please update my first post". But that was not done.
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Thats a good suggestion.
About editing the posts, members should take time and pm a mod to make the necessary edits.
 
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