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[enthusiast29]

Giveaways are being posted in Classifieds and feedbacks for giveaways are being exchanged. lol

It's still a legitimate transaction of goods. Price Rs 0 + shipping separately. The feedback is for the deal and item overall. What's wrong in that? Just because the price is 0 doesn't mean feedback isn't valid.

 

[blackhorn]

Giveaways are being posted in Classifieds and feedbacks for giveaways are being exchanged. lol

I don't know how you're looking at giveaways but in my case I'm looking at it as something I don't need which I'm willing to pass it off to someone who can put it to use. I spent time and money packing the items not to mention actually making an effort to make sure the items get to the receivers. I am sure thats worth a rep, and while I don't have to rep the receiver, I make it a point to because they have made an effort to either schedule the pickups or send me the funds for the shipping. I look at it as giving back to the forum.

Nobody's time is for free, even if its just to pickup a call or schedule with someone regarding a giveaway, they are not obligated to do it.

 

[calvin1719]

I appreciate your efforts but on what basis are feedbacks being exchanged on giveaways of products that are dead or not working. Based on how good is the packaging of the product?

Feedback is for the seller, not the product. Whether they are communicative, punctual, whether the product is in the condition described or not. If you already know the product is in non working/partially working condition, then that doesn't factor into it.

 

[blackhorn]

Products which are dead or not useful to one person maybe a goldmine for another. In any case if the person doing the giveaway has been honest about the condition of the product its in, is sufficient. Even if I am doing a giveaway, I have used boxes to pack, some bubble wrap not to mention tape. And they cost in one way or another.

Any which way, 96-97 percent are actual deals(in my case). I don't mind the no rep, if that's the case at all, however I do feel that members would feel less inclined for giveaways if that is enforced.

 

[calvin1719]

Which part of the buying experience is separate from the buyer or seller's actions? And how does the lack of a price change that? If you're including screw ups by the logistics company in that feedback then that's not appropriate, even though logically that's part of the experience.

 

[iPwnz]

I knew this subject would be brought up.
Feedback is for "deals" when a member sells or pays for and not giveaways. There may be no specific forum rule regarding this but the logic isn't rocket science either.

 

[calvin1719]

Seems a couple of posts were silently removed.

But anyway, ipwnz, you say it's not rocket science, but imo your basic premise is flawed. Let me put across an example. If someone posts a 50k fair price item for 45k, that's a great deal. You pay, and then the seller goes silent for a week, then tells you it'll take a week to ship, and then ships in 3 weeks.

According to your logic, the seller gets positive feedback because it was a "great deal". Unless you're using some other definition of deal which makes the seller behaviour a "bad deal", in which case you're arguing semantics and the feedback is indeed for seller behaviour.

How good a deal it is, with respect to price, is visible on the thread, and that variable will change from time to time and sale to sale. Feedback should answer a single question, "Is this person a decent, reliable person to deal with who is truthful and does as they say they will?"

 

[iPwnz]

Feedback should answer a single question, "Is this person a decent, reliable person to deal with who is truthful and does as they say they will?"

It's called a "trader/market feedback" for a reason not "wow this guy gives me stuff for free what a cool dude I'm gonna rep him." You clearly lack the basic understanding of how the feedback system works.

 

[calvin1719]

Well if you're just going to resort to oh it's called this and not this and you don't know eff all, instead of actually putting across a rational point, then this discussion is not worth having. To be expected I guess, why should this forum be any different from the rest of the internet. I'm done wasting my time talking to walls.

 

[iPwnz]

Oooh suit yourself lol. I wasn't even directing at you in the first place. Trying to get misuse the feedback system to increase your internet rep points and getting offended when called out....you people are hilarious

 

[StygianClaw]

Oooh suit yourself lol. I wasn't even directing at you in the first place. Trying to get misuse the feedback system to increase your internet rep points and getting offended when called out....you people are hilarious

The points he put forth are valid and I personally agree with them. It would be more helpful if you can explain why exchanging feedback for giveaways should not be allowed. As you said there is no forum rule prohibiting it.

I see the feedback system as a way to check how trustworthy and reliable a person is. If a giveaway happens and you do get the item in the condition as described after paying for shipping (if needed), it's still a legitimate transaction where the recipient received the promised goods.

A regular sale thread can also be abused for feedback. I believe there were some instances like where people created the sale threads after the transaction had concluded outside of TE just to exchange feedback points. They were banned for doing so. I don't think giveaway threads can be more easily abused as they are subject to the same rules.

 

[Slayer88]

A bit off topic but I saw a FS thread a couple of days ago for a GPU at a great price, got sold in a few hours which isn't surprising but what is was that the buyer joined the forum a day before and feedback was exchanged by both parties on the same day it was shipped; first market feedback for both parties. Could have been a HyperLocal shipment, did not not seem like it, but can't say.

 

[iPwnz]

Without looking into an item's technical real world value, which one do you value more or which of these has a higher value: trade with money or free giveaway?
To be able to use the market feedback a trade involving money or barter needs to happen.
Giveaways don't involve that. Not to forget the fact that the system can be heavily misused like I already mentioned above. If you do giveaways solely for the reason of getting positive market feedback then obviously something is wrong in the system. The value of the items don't matter.
As for this not being specified in the forum rules, it's one of those things which need not be said but be abided by.

 

[rsaeon]

free giveaway

Nothing is actually free. There's time, effort, supplies, scheduling and money involved regardless of whether the buyer actually paid anything to the seller. There is sufficient goodwill involved in building this community through a giveaway that it should be acknowledged with feedback.

To be able to use the market feedback a trade involving money or barter needs to happen.

By this logic, selling something for 1 rupee would be eligible for market feedback, while a 'giveaway' would not be.

That said, members are expected to investigate the feedback rating for whomever they're buying/selling with. That's probably part of the reason why each feedback rating is linked to the thread where the transaction occurred. That way, someone could easily see whether the feedback rating went up with actual sales or a mass giveaway.

It should be noted that this is a valid concern, it's a common scam with sellers everywhere (other forums, Amazon, eBay) that they bring up their ratings with low priced items to appear legitimate and then make one big sale and disappear with both the product and the funds.

Perhaps the rules could be made in a way where the seller has to state that some of his/her ratings are from giveaways or low value transactions as a disclaimer/disclosure when posting a sale thread. This puts the least amount of strain on forum mods/admins while putting the responsibility of the disclosure entirely on the seller and validation of it entirely on the buyer.

 

[Crazy_Eddy]

A bit off topic but I saw a FS thread a couple of days ago for a GPU at a great price, got sold in a few hours which isn't surprising but what is was that the buyer joined the forum a day before and feedback was exchanged by both parties on the same day it was shipped; first market feedback for both parties. Could have been a HyperLocal shipment, did not not seem like it, but can't say.

Which thread?