PC Peripherals My new rig building experience and opinion about various components

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I recently built a new gaming rig, which will be my primary rig. I though I should share my experience here, from selecting the components to the final build to stability testing, so that numerous other people building a machine with similar configuration can benefit.

Guys from Bangalore planning to buy from S.P road, may be interested in "Acquiring the components" section and "The Ankit Hustle". This is my experience at S.P road. May be this will help you.

I call this rig G-Rig-3 (This is my 3rd gaming rig and my 4th machine). My first was a
PIII 550 Mhz (coppermine), 128 MB 100 Mhz SD RAM, i810e chipset. (circa May 2000)

My 2nd rig, G-Rig-1 (Build date: 26 Jan 2002), was a
P4 1.6 Ghz, GeForce 3 Ti 200, 4x64MB Samsung RDRAM, i850 chipset.

The rig I am upgrading from G-Rig-2 (Build date: 21 Sept 2005)
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AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (90nm Venice core), 2x512MB TWINMOS DDR-400 CL 2.5.
Asus A8N-E.
Leadtek GeForce 7800 GT 256MB (The first version 110 nm).
Grabbed it as soon as it came out in Sep' 05. Price was insane but I got my moneys worth. Man it rocked hard. Got a lot of power. It came bundled with two free games Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory and Price of Persia: Warrior Within. For 2 years it just maxed out all the games I threw at it at 1182x864@75Hz. For a year I Had to reduce the settings a bit, tweak and fine tune the games, but it was still amazing and the games looked good. It was only in the 4th year the it felt lagging in the latest games.
Then in Sep' 09 its time has came. It was because of the SMPS. I bought a Zebronics 400W SMPS, it was a higher end model in Zebronics. May be it was a mistake that I bought this SMPS. But It worked flawlessly for 4 years, there was never a BSOD or a system crash in those four years. So it did its job. One day there is no display. After a lot of troubleshooting and borrowing parts from my cousin, narrowed down on the problem and the problem was the SMPS and it took the card with it. But surprisingly my 7800gt works on his machine and his graphic card works on my machine with a different SMPS. So there must be a problem with the GFx and my MoBo combo, may be the board is not able to deliver enough power. So I grabbed an ATI Radeon HD4350 512MB DDR2 and used a 300W SMPS from my Cousin's Dell machine, which was lying around after he upgraded his GPU and SMPS. This card also turned this rig into a potential HTPC, when it goes to my parents.

MSI ATI Radeon HD4350 512 MD DDR2. (Temporary substitute for the failed 7800GT)
Samsung 753DF 17" Monitor, from the previous rig
160 GB Seagate 7200.7
Sony DRU-810A (Failed after 3yrs. Bought a Sony V200s)
Zebronics 4OOw higher end SMPS. (Failed after 4yrs 3months, Using a spare SMPS from my cousin's DELL machine)
Zebronics GeForce 2 Case.

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So guys, here it goes the G-Rig-3 story. I have been contemplating the idea of building an new rig since Oct'2008, as G-Rig-2 felt lagging in the latest games of the time like COD-MW, Burnout Paradise etc at high setting. I for one never liked playing a game at low setting, as the game would loose its visual appeal and immersion at those settings. I would hold off till I build a better rig, but I would not play a game at low settings. But the build did not materialize because I was not getting enough time to spend on gaming and hence to justify a new rig. I was spending 3-4 hrs a week re-playing my old favorites and games that I did not play before that G-Rig-2 can run at high settings.

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Tentative Components
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Processor & Motherboard

In Oct' 09 I decided to build a new rig. The latest from Intel, lynnfield is just out and what better time to build a new rig. After a lot of research I finalized that

Intel Core i5-750

will power my new rig, and for the motherboard the contenders are
* Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2.
* ASUS P7P55D.
* Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3R.
* MSI P55-GD65.

I wanted to go with the Gigabyte UD2. Since it fits my requirement, good quality components all over and excellent reviews overall. I may also be able to get some slight over clock with this board. I will not over clock heavily. One concern I had was that the board is a uATX board. Limited slots for add-on card/adapters. I have a PCI wi-fi card from my previous rig which I wanted to use. I thought I can manage to get this card in the second PCI slot after installing the Gfx card. But it will almost touch the GFX. In the worst case I have to buy a USB wi-fi adapter, which are not as good as PCI ones. I very much wanted to go for P7P55D or UD3R, but they are expensive by 3000 and 4500 rupees respectively, which may make me stretch my budget. Any way I kept P7P55D as an option, though I may not get the UD3R.

By spending the extra 3k I get all the features of UD2 and more.
* extra ports and more flexibility for add-on cards,
* 12+2 power phases for excellent over clocking (I may go for those high over clocks after all ;) ) and heat sinks on the power circuitry.
* The board looks awesome with the black PCB and silver blue heat sinks.
* I get two extra fan headers if I want to use fan control options like Q-Fan in the motherboard.

Since this is a new platform and a lot of people are facing various problems I decided to wait for a month or two before the final build. At the same time prices will also settle down. I had 9th Jan in my mind as the tentative date on which I will build the rig.
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RAM

The contenders are - G.Skill RipJaws F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL, G.Skill RipJaws F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL, CORSAIR CMX4GX3M2A1600C9, CORSAIR TW3X4G1333C9A

I am kind of inclined towards G.Skill RipJaws F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL. If it is not available I wanted to go for G.Skill RipJaws F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL or CORSAIR TW3X4G1333C9A. All of these are 1.5V and i wanted to stick with 1.5v modules as the i5-750 can go upto max of 1.65V. So it gives a good head room for over-clocking if at all I wanted to. I kept F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL as my first preference as there is not much price difference between 1600 and 1333 at newegg. I was not aware of local pricing. So i thought if the price difference here is huge i can go for the 1333 version.

G.Skill RipJaws series has a lot of positive feedback especially from the users. I went through the reviews on newegg. Lot of i5 builds that I found on-line are using this RAM. Corsair CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 is a 1.65v RAM and its expensive. So this would be my last option and TW3X4G1333C9A is also expensive compared to F3-10666CL9D-4GBRL. Another reason why I wanted to wait for a couple of months was availability of RAM. Even when I inquiredn December Ripjaws was not available in the Bangalore Market. TE dealer BuyGamingStuff had a thread on this, but looks like availability is tough with him too, as he did not respond to the posts on this thread.
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Graphic Card

The contenders are - XFX Geforce GTX 260 SP216, Zotac Geforce GTX 260 SP216, XFX Radeon 5770, Sapphire Radeon 5770

Another reason to wait was to see if there will be any news about the GTX3xx by Dec or Jan 1st week and see if the prices on these cards will drop.

I was considering the GTX 260, I use Linux for almost everything except gaming.
* Linux support is a lot better from nvidia and overall nvidia drivers are better.
* I also use the per application 3D profile from nvidia control panel which is a great option to force different settings for different 3D applications.
* I also wanted to play PhysX enabled games especially "Batman AA". GTX260 can run BAA @ 1680x1050 with medium physics and the rest maxed out. So its an added bonus.
* Power consumption is less than HD4870, and 4870 did not have the above advantages, it may have DX10.1, but it is not that important to me. Plus performance wise both are same.

I also used an MSI HD4350 for three months which replaced my 7800GT for temporary usage. Ati windows drivers are good enough, except for the lack of 3D application profiles like in NVIDIA drivers. They are there in some form but they are not as intuitive as in NVIDIA drivers. The catalyst drivers use the .Net framework. On my old rig on win XP the CCC took a lot of time to load. The catalyst drivers are bulky. These are not major concerns for me, but for me linux is important and nvidia's linux support is far better.

The red camp's offering 5770, is also equally tempting it has Almost same average performance as GTX260.

* Power consumption is lot less. This is one of the main reasons that I wanted to get a 5770. 50w lesser power draw then GTX260 in normal usage scenario.
* DX11 support. I feel that in the future when games that make proper use of DX11 come out, this card will be underpowered to run them at high settings.
* I also don't like the 128-bit bus, which already bottle necks the card in some scenarios.
* Eyefinity is not important to me as I will not run triple monitor setup. At least I wont on this rig.

Another factor is this time I am not planning to run the same card for more than 1.5 years. So will probably get successor to the Fermi or an ATI HD68xx series card later. Also the current crop of games are not that graphic intensive (except a few exceptions like crysis etc.). Most of the games I want to play will max out at 1680x1050@60Hz with AA and 16xAF which will be my native resolution. I also think any of these cards should be able to run most of the games in the next 1 to 1.5 years at high settings, since most of the game development is now focused on consoles.
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Monitor

Tough I decided to wait for the rig, I went ahead and bought the monitor first. I somehow never liked TN panels. I did not own one but from what I have seen I am not satisfied with the viewing angles and colour reproduction, especially after sticking with a CRT all these years. I have been waiting for a good TFT which is good at the above and good for gaming too (less than 6ms response time). I was looking at some TN panels, then came across DELL Ulra Sharp 2209WA. This panel fits my requirement spot on. It has good colour reproduction, good viewing angles, good response time, its an IPS panel plus its an ultra sharp (good adjustable stand).
This panel has also got rave reviews around the web. After finalizing on this I called DELL to book one, but they refused to sell it to home customers. So I started googling for some other means of acquiring this monitor. After some rummaging I found BuyGamingStuff on TE selling it. I knew of TE before and was also a registered member but I did not know about Dealers on TE till that point. Then I called up BuyGamingStuff, he said that the monitor will be billed on his businesses name as DELL sells this only to Businesses. I made the payment on Nov 2nd 2009 and finally received it in the last week of Nov' 09. The deal was good, my only gripe is that it took a long time to deliver.

My first impression on this monitor was good. Out of the box the build quality is good. I don't call it excellent, the panel's front bezel is not that sturdy, built quality of the rest of the panel and the stand is good. First thing I checked was the viewing angles. It has good horizontal viewing angles, even when viewing at extreme angles. It is a lot better than TN panels, but vertical viewing angle from the top are not good. From the bottom again it is good. Since vertical viewing angle from the top is not that important to me, it is not much of a concern. The Brightness levels are high on this monitor. I am currently running it at a brightness level of 18. The colour of the folder icons in win XP did not look natural to me (compared to my CRT, and i tried all the presets on the monitor), nothing serious, for gaming and movies I did not notice much of a difference. I wanted to try calibrating the monitor and see if it makes a difference. It may not be that important to me because I don't do any professional photo editing but any way I wanted to take a shot at it. I found a thread where someone has uploaded their colour profile and setting for 2209WA. After using these setting and colour profile, the colour of folder icons were better. Overall the colour reproduction was better, but I could only notice this on close examination.

After just under a month of usage (28 days of usage, average of 2 hrs per day), the blue LED under the power button started flickering. The next day it died completely. But in standby the orange LED blinks properly. Looks like some other people also had the same experience. Cheap LEDs are used. As long as the panel is working as it should I did not want to RMA the monitor for a power LED problem. After reading the following threads I definitely did not want to take
the RMA route.
U2410 : flickering power button LED - DELL COMMUNITY
http://www.******.com/forums/u2410-flickering-power-button-led/27706.html

Overall it is a good monitor with minor issue. It meets my expectations as mentioned above easily. I felt at home with this monitor after switching from a CRT.

Pluses
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* Good Colour Reproduction.
* Good viewing angles
* e-IPS panel.
* Powered USB ports (Powered only if the monitor is on. I don't use these much. For some people this may not matter.)
* Good sturdy stand, with lot of adjustment options.

Negatives
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* No HDMI.
* Blue power LED died within a month of light usage.

I give it a 4/5.

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Speakers
I upgraded my speakers to Altec Lansing MX-5021 in Q3 2008, when I was first considering an upgrade. I had a Creative Inspire 2400 system which i wanted to upgrade to a better speaker system, since I use my rig for listening to music, watching movies and for gaming. My friend had the same set of speakers, and they are good. So I went ahead and bought them. The build quality of the sub-woofer is good. The satellites come in a plastic enclosure with a small base and tend to fall off often. The control pod has aux-in and headphones jack which i find very useful. The build quality of the control pod is not so good. The volume knob is not sturdy and its wobbly. My friends speakers are not usable now because his control pod is not working. He is planning to get it repaired. I mostly use the remote to control the volume or to make bass and treble adjustment. I set the bass to slightly higher than Half and treble to just about half the level. At these setting the sound delivered is clean up to 90% of the volume or may be even 95%, tight bass and no signs of distortion. After that at full volume there is slight distortion. I usually keep the volume at 50 - 80%. Overall great speakers for the price.
Pluses
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* Good Sub-Woofer.
* Good overall sound reproduction.

Minuses
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* Satellite speakers base is small and tend to fall off often.
* Build quality of control pod.

My Rating 3.5/5 . Would have given a 4 if not for the build quality.
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SMPS

To select the right SMPS I use the extreme power supply calculator to get an idea of where my potential Rigs power requirements would be. Since the GTX260 consumes more power than 5770 I used it to arrive at this number. Link for extreme power supply calculator eXtreme Power Supply Calculator

I selected the following options on the page, with the extreme case of 100% TDP on the CPU and 100% system load with 20% Capacitor aging:
* i5-750 as the processor over-clocked to 3.6 Ghz at stock voltage. (I will not over-clock but if I do I will stick to stock voltage).
* High end Desktop Motherboard.
* 4 sticks DDR3 SDRAM.
* ATI HD5870 (To make sure i can upgrade to this level of card in the future).
* 2 HDDS
* DVD-RW
* 2 x 120 mm fans
* 1 x 140 mm fan
* 1 USB device
* 1 PCI device.
The max power this rig would reach is 482W in the worst case at extreme load. With no over-clock on the CPU it is 452W and with a GTX 260 SP216 it is 438w at extreme load. A 550W SMPS is more than enough even considering future upgrades and decent over-clock. At more realistic loads, with single HDD (I plan to use only one now) and under normal scenarios this rig would not even cross 400W. Even a 450W SMPS would do but I wanted to have some headroom, since an SMPS operating at less load translates to better efficiency (best between 75 - 95 %), less heat, lower cooling requirements and hence less noise from the cooling fan. After reading a lot of reviews I have zeroed in on the Corsair VX550. HardOCP has an excellent review on this, where they do an in-depth analysis of the PSU.

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HDD

The options
WD5001AALS (500 GB Cavier Black edition), WD6401AALS (640 GB Cavier Black edition), WD1001FALS (1 TB Cavier Black edition), WD6400AAKS (640 GB Cavier Blue edition)

I wanted to stick to either 640GB blue or black, as 1TB goes above my budget. 640GB is the best option because they use higher density 320GB platters compare to the 250GB platters on 500GB. Higher density = Better performance. But 640GB blacks are tough to come by. So its going to be one of the other three. From what I read 1TB black > 500GB Black > 640GB Blue in terms of performance.

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UPS

APC 650 VA, I did not want to spend much on ups. I want good protection from unclean power and 2-3 min of backup to shut down the machine. I will add More thoughts and analysis on this in the stability testing section.

Mouse & Mouse mat

I got a Razer Diamondback 3G in q3 2008. One of my friends got it for me from the US. In Nov' 09 I bought the Goliathus alpha speed edition from BuyGamingStuff. Again a good deal, my only complaint is the shipping time. I am very satisfied with the combo. Worth every penny. Adds to the total Gaming experience. Invest in a good mouse and mat if you are mostly into gaming, since this is the interface with your machine, it makes a difference.

I like the on the fly sensitivity adjustment of the mouse. Feels nice to hold and has a good grip, the button are good. My only gripe is that the buttons on the side are not easily accessible especially ones on the right side (I am a right hander). There is some confusion about the speed and control edition, about which one enhances control. I haven't used the control edition. I think speed edition has a tighter wave and hence more friction. It enhances control especially in the middle of intense action.

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Acquiring the components
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By the end of December I started checking availability and prices of components both online and locally. I sent emails to dealers in Bangalore most of them are located at S.P road. At one point I was also considering buying some stuff online from TE, but this is risky because any one component not working properly would mean a delay in the build. The platform being new and lot of people reporting problems would mean that I should be more careful. More over if I buy locally I can go to the shop and inspect each component at least visually before making the purchase.

I got quotes from four dealers
1. Ankit.
2. Anandit Infotech.
3. Karnataka computers.
4. Bangalore computers.
5. Golchha Computers.

Out of them Karnataka computers and Anandit Infotech gave reasonable quotes, tough they are high. Ankit is a ripoff, he quoted up to 10% high, on some components it was even higher. some of our fellow TE members also pointed this out in the "price quotes from S.P road" thread.

Bangalore computers gave good pricing for processor and motherboard, but for the rest it is on par with the others or higher. G.Skill RAM was not available with any dealer.

Golchha quoted some components at reasonable prices but some prices were very high. I recently bought (Oct' 09) a 9600GT and CM Real Power Pro 460W from this guy as he gave an OK quote at that time. Even when I bought these
components Ankit gave a 10% rip off quote on all the high end stuff. I ultimately bought them from Golchha. There is one thing with Golchha, you cannot bargain with him, his motto is buy for the qouted price or you can buy from any other shop, and he is arrogant, again inline with the S.P road price thread.

In the first week of January I talked with all the dealers over phone. I negotiated the prices as they are higher than normal. Karnatka and anandit said they can work out better prices when I go to make the purchase. Ankit said he can arrange for the G.Skill RipJaws RAM and reduced his prices to some extent. The guy from Karnataka computers said that he can arrange for the G.Skill RAM and all the components I wanted. But there is one problem, the motherboard I have finalized on GA-P55M-UD2, is not available with anybody. Every one promised availability on 8/10/2010 (The day before I wanted to build the rig). So I was hopeful that the board will be available on 9th. Meanwhile the guy from Ankit called me and said that he was ordering the RAM and I can come in a couple of days and collect it. He was sarcastic in all his conversations. Because he had the RAM ready, I thought I will negotiate on the rest of the components with him and buy every thing from him. I wanted to buy everything from the same dealer so that in case of some problem with the components it is easier to sort out the issue.

I also had a plan of buying the components from 2 or 3 dealers (based on best price and availability) as I am going to assemble the Rig anyway. But later, when I went to S.P Road, I learned that you cannot do that and I learned it
the hard way. Read on to know what happened in S.P road.

The Ankit Hustle
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Please read this post. http://www.techenclave.com/pc-peripherals/price-updates-s-p-road-bangalore-137837-6.html#post1378297

Final components
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Processor

My biuld is centered around the i5 750. So no contenders here.

Intel core i5 750.

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Motherboard

I wanted to buy the Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2. But it is not available anywhere on S.P road. So I went with the second option Asus P7P55D. Which is better as I mentioned above because of the following.

Pluses
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* More expansion options. I can also use my wi-fi card in the last PCI slot with out concerns of a tight fit and the wi-fi card touching the Graphic card.
* 12+2 phase power design. Better over-clocking head room.
* Has 4 fan headers. I can use Q-Fan for automatic fan control.
* Cooling for power circuitry and nice looking heat-sinks.

Negative
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* It does not have a coaxial SPDIF out. There is only an optical SPDIF out. I don't use the coaxial out now and may not need one in the future also. So this should not be a problem for me.

Asus P7P55D

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RAM

My first preference is G.Skill RipJaws F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL. It was available and I got it.
G.Skill RipJaws F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

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GPU

At CES 2010 nvidia showed off working fermi based GPU, but there is no word officially on the release date or availability. I did not want to wait longer.
I was inclined towards the 5770. On the day I was shopping, XFX 5770, was priced at 10500, this is rev1.0, which I did not want to get after reading this

Warning XFX 5770 (Now only using XFX's custom PCB) - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net.

The older rev A.0 was available for 11000. The sapphire one also costs same.

The GTX 260 is slightly better than 5770. I had two options, Zotac GTX 260 ^2 and XFX GTX 260 XXX core edition. Both had free game bundle, the former came with GRID and was priced at 10500 and the later with Far Cry 2
and was priced at 11000. Both are SP216. There is no game bundled with any of the 5770 cards.

Overall the XFX GTX 260 xxx core edition is a good option considering my requirements and preferences as I mentioned in the tentative components section. I get a card 10% factory over-clocked, it is also a
core edition. Plus I get Far Cry 2 which I wanted to play and 5 year warranty. Another bonus is the card is sealed and I am the first to open the box. The rest of them were all opened boxes.

XFX GTX260 XXX core edition.
(Core: 640/Shader: 1380/Mem: 1000)

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SMPS

Corsair vx550.

Please read to the tentative components section, to know why I went for this.
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HDD

Both the 640GB blue and black were not available and I did not want to stretch my budget for 1GB Black. So
I bought

WD5001AALS(500 GB Black)
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UPS

APC 650VA
I just wanted basic protection and a couple of minutes to shutdown the machine. After reading a lot of reviews and some research on power usage of my potential rig, I felt that 650VA would be good enough, as I did not want to spend 6k on UPS.

Read the stability testing section to know if I am correct in selecting this and if it met my requirements.
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The build
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So after all the trouble getting the components, I started the build (on 9/1/2010). Since, I wanted to wait for CM 690II, I am using my old case for this build. Once I get a new cabinet, I will put back the old components in the old case.

My thoughts while assembling the components.

* The processor heat sink is small which has got a huge reputation of being inadequate. The heat-sink retention mechanism is a plastic push and lock type. Lot of people did not like this also. You have push the pins in the order specified in the manual and rotate some latches.
* The memory slots on P7P55D have locking notch on one side only. The manual says its a feature for easy installation and removal of memory. I felt the other way around while installing the memory. I feel that the old slots with notches on both sides is better.

* I like the layout of the board and had no problem installing the various components.
* I am using only one case fan, as the case supports only one rear exhaust fan. It is a cooler master basic 1300 rpm fan. I am using one of the motherboard fan headers to power this fan.

* I like the Asus Q-Connector feature. It made it easier to connect the front panel USB and power, reset buttons.

* The graphic card is long measuring just under 10.5 inches. I measured the space in my cabinet, to ensure that I can install this card in the case before going to S.P road and buying the card. There is 11 inches of space. There was no problem installing the card and there is still some place left after installing the card.

First boot
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For every build this the moment of truth. The machine should boot properly and clear the POST. I turned on the machine and it booted up, and cleared the POST without any problems. The fan on the custom heat sink is small and pretty noisy. It makes a whining noise. Another reason why I shuold consider an aftermarket heatsink, to reduce noise.

Then I entered the BIOS to check if all the components are detected as they should be. Every thing looked fine except that the memory voltage is at 1.59 and is working at 1333 (9-9-9-24). It is known that the max memory speed i5-750 can support at stock is 1333. Using XMP profile the memory is detected at its rated settings but the voltage is still 1.59. Then I reverted the setting to auto.

I downloaded the latest BIOS for my board (1207) from ASUS support site. I wanted to update the BIOS to latest before I start with OS installation. BIOS update was done using Ez-Flash. After updating to the latest BIOS also the memory voltage is at 1.59. So I manually forced voltage of 1.5 which is the voltage at which the memory is rated to work. I left the rest of the settings at their default values. Every thing is fine so far, touch wood.
Completed build:
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Name: G-Rig-3

Configuration:

Intel core i5 750
Asus P7P55D (1207 BIOS)
G.Skill RipJaws F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL (2x4GB 1600 MHz DDR3 9-9-9-24)
XFX GTX 260 XXX core Edition (SP216 / Core: 640 / shader: 1380 / Mem: 1000 / )
CORSAIR VX550W
Western Digital 500GB Black Edition (WD5001AALS)
Using my old Sony DVD-RW.
Right now using my old Zebronics Geforce 2 cabinet with one case fan (which is inadequate, but OK for the time being). Waiting for CM690 II. Add a CM Hyper 212 plus to that.
APC BACK-UPS ES 650VA 230V INDIA
DELL 2209WA
Altec Lansing MX-5021
Razer DiamondBack 3G
Razer Golaithus alpha speed edition
Using my old logitech K/B. Will upgrade to MS comfort curve 2000 or better.

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More to come (Stability testing, temperatues, power consumption and Benchmarking).

I had some problems like.
1. PCI-e link width reported wrongly
2. Less than normal 3DMark vantage scores.

Stay tuned to know how they got resolved.
 
A herculean effort no doubt, you should join a media house soon :p

It's a pretty good rant, maybe mods can sticky for a month? Bikey is surely going to be the member of the month again, so no chance there :p :p
 
Yeah guys, spent a lot of time to bring this up (took almost two days). The formatting is still not proper I will fix it now. I wanted to put this up ASAP, so it was kind of rushed out of the door. I am also planning to post the rest of it today and finish the article.

axeman said:
A herculean effort no doubt, you should join a media house soon :p

It's a pretty good rant, maybe mods can sticky for a month? Bikey is surely going to be the member of the month again, so no chance there :p :p

Just wanted to share my experience, I did not write this to be member of the month. Way to go Bikey........ :).

@mods: Please sticky this if you think its good.
 
^^^djmykey, yes there is more and here it goes.

Stability testing, temperatures and power consumption.

After completing the build its time for some stability testing. I
wanted to make sure that all the components are working properly. I used the following software.
1. Windows64, Prime95 v25.8, build 4 for CPU stress testing.
2. Furmark 1.6.5 for GPU stress testing.
3. Memtest86+ (One that comes with the ubuntu 8.10) for memory testing.
4. CPU-z 1.53.1 for monitoring the processors voltages and speed.
5. GPU-z 0.3.8 to get the GPU specs and monitor GPU temps.
6. RealTemp 3.46 for monitoring temps.

I fired up GPU-z to check if the GPU I got is the 55nm SP216 one. It is a SP216, 55nm part and the clocks are shown as Core:640, mem:1000, Shader: 1380.
Then it time for testing the CPU. After waiting for some time to let the temps settle down. I started off with CPU stress testing. For this I ran 4 small FFT threads in Prime95 for more than 40 minutes. I opened up CPU-z and Realtemp to monitor the CPU. The processor is running at 2.8 GHz which is where it should be with 4 cores loaded. The temps recorded are min:36 and max:76(the temps are maximum of the four cores temps). Room temp will be around 23 degrees.
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Time for some GPU testing. I ran furmark stability test with burn test option selected at 1650x1050, full screen, 16xMSAA. “Monitor temps†is also selected to monitor the GPU temperature. The temps are min:55, max:86. Note that at this temp the GPU fan ramped up to max of 74%.
Note: The case I am using now has inadequate cooling with only one exhaust fan. With better air flow the temps may be lesser. I will update when I get a better case.
To test the memory I ran memtest86+ that comes with ubuntu 8.10 for 8.5 hrs (through the night). It was 13 cycles and there were zero errors.
Once the GPU and CPU are tested. I wanted to stress the entire system. I ran 4 small FFT prime95 threads and furmark in burn mode simultaneously. I left the machine running for 30 minutes. The rig passed this test also.
Temps were similar to what is reported above.
Note that this is a stress test. At normal gaming loads (Temps taken while running Far Cry 2 at 1650x1050 4xAA/16xAF /Ultra settings), the CPU and GPU go to a peak of 65 and 79 respectively. So the stock cooler is adequate for stock CPU at normal load, for my purpose.
Max power draw from the UPS. APC 650VA sufficient for this rig?

I wanted to check if my choice of going for a 650VA UPS is correct. Like I said before I need it for basic protection and 2 min of backup to shutdown. I was actually planning to run only the CPU on the UPS. For this test
I connected only the CPU to battery backup and the monitor to the port with only surge protection.
To stress the machine to its maximum load I ran the same test that I used to stress the entire system (4 small FFT prime95 threads and furmark in burn mode simultaneously). I used APC power-chute to monitor the load. The max power draw from the UPS reported by power chute is 330 - 350w. At idle it consumes around 90 watts.
Then I wanted to test if the battery backup can take the rig at normal loads. To test this I connected the monitor, speakers and the CPU to battery backup and fired up far cry 2. Speaker volume is at 50%. While running Far Cry 2 the max power draw of the entire system is 290 - 300w. At this load the UPS should give me up to 4min of backup. More backup time than I wanted. At Idle the entire setup draws around 135-150w. At normal desktop usage it never crosses 200w and I should get up to 15 min of backup.
So a 650VA is more than enough for this rig, in practical usage scenarios. At max load also it can take the CPU alone with 1-2 min of backup.
The Half speed PCI-e bus.
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On the next day I noticed that CPU-z and GPU-z report the PCI-e link on the motherboard is capable of x16 v2.0 but is running ar x8 v2.0. For a moment I felt that there might be a problem with the Graphic card or the motherboard. I went through the BIOS and checked every option to make sure that some option related to the PCI-e link is causing the problem. Every thing seemed to be fine in the BIOS (BIOS updated to 1207). GPU-z still reported x8. For a moment I wondered if there is any power saving feature at play dynamically reducing the link width. But I am not aware of any
such thing. So I ran a Furmark in burn mode and checked if there is any change in the link width. No luck, both GPU-z and CPU-z reported the same link width. So power saving features causing this is ruled out.
Than I googled and found that there are other people also with various other hardware setups facing the same problem. Some of the posts said that if the Bandwidth is reported properly then there is no need to worry. The Bandwidth that GPU-z reported with my card seemed to be proper, but I am still not convinced that x8 is OK. I searched some more and found a forum post which said that graphic card not inserted properly may cause this problem. So I opened up the case and verified if the card is inserted properly. It is properly inserted, but to be sure i removed the card and re-inserted it securely. Then I ran GPU-z and bang this time it showed v2.0 x16 @ x16 v2.0, even CPU-z concurred. The card is very long (10.3 inches), so i thought even if it looked properly inserted for the first time, it may indeed be a problem of graphics card not inserted properly.
Update: The next day While running 3DMark vantage, I noticed that my GPU score is significantly less than what is expected. GPU score of GTX 260 SP216 is supposed to be above 9000, and mine is a XXX edition with 640/1000/1380. So I was expecting some kind of improvement but definitely not a decrease in score. I got a GPU score of 8050. The CPU score is OK. Then I opened GPU-z and the link width is again reported as x8 v2.0. I was about the open the case to
check if the graphic card is properly inserted, but thought I will just restart and check. To my relief after the restart both GPU-z and CPU-z reported x16 v2.0, touch wood. I am not sure why this happened again. I will keep a watch on this. Then I ran 3DMark vantage in performance preset, but no luck this time also the GPU score is exactly the same. I spent some 6.5 hours on this into the wee hours of the night (from 10.30 PM till about 4 A.M). Check the section "lower than normal 3DMark Vantage scores" under benchmarks below to know what fixed this.
Benchmarks

After finishing the build and preliminary stability testing I wanted to make sure that the hardware is performing at its potential. So I turned towards benchmarking. The first thing i wanted to test is gaming performance and the graphics subsystem, as the rig is primarily meant for gaming. I have Far Cry 2 installed which came bundled with the graphic card and I chose 3D mark vantage to check if the machine is performing at its potential. So I ran the following tests (My native res is 1650x1050 @ 60Hz)
The Tests:
1. 3DMark Vantage in performance preset. Compared the scores with VGA Charts December 2009 and 3DMark ORB.
2. Far Cry 2 DX10 1650x1050 No AA/16xAF Ultra High settings, VSync off. Compared the results with AnandTech: Far Cry 2 Dissected: Massive Amounts of Performance Data
(Will probably do more benchmarks when I get the time.)
OS & Drivers:
Windows 7 64-bit.
Nvidia Forceware 195.62
Nvidia Forceware 186.16
I run the benchmark that comes with Far Cry 2 at the above settings. The test used is ranch small. The results tallied with the results from the website. The drivers used are 195.62.
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Lower than normal 3DMark vantage scores:
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Then I ran 3DMark vantage. To my surprise GPU score is lower than where my card should be. I got 8050 on the GPU score, whereas it should be above 9000. The CPU score seemed fine, but the overall is again less because of the lesser GPU score. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what may be causing the problem. I ran the test with physX support disabled in the nvidia drivers, but the score is still the same. While searching for solutions, someone pointed out that the 190 series has issues with 3DMark Vantage and overall 186.16 Forceware driver is better.
Its time to get Forceware 186.16. I downloaded and installed this driver and ran 3DMark vantage P test again with GPU PhysX disable in nvidia drivers. Bingo, the GPU score shot up to 9850 and the total score is also where it should be. I am getting approx 10% boost in GPU score because of the 10% factory over-clock. Now everything is fine, touch wood.

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Conclusion:
While building the rig, following are the priorities for me in that order

1. Perfomance ( Especially gaming performance at my native resolution)
2. Stability
3. Power Consumption
4. Noise

1. I am very satisfied with the performance. Far Cry 2 at ultra (everything maxed) settings at my native resolution with 4xAA/16xAF, runs smoothly with frame rates of 40 - 60 FPS. This can also max out majority of the games ( All the games I want to play, except crysis) at my native resolution without breaking a sweat.

2. I am not planning to over-clock now. The machine passed all stability tests at stock with ease. Touch wood, everything is stable now.

3. At normal load the entire machine (with monitor and speakers) consumes around 300W and I get a backup of 3-4 min on the UPS.

4. At idle the noise levels are acceptable, with the machine at arms reach. At load while gaming there is some noise, but is acceptable with speakers on. The CPU cooler fan is the most noisy. I can hear some whining at full load. All the more reason to go for an after market cooler.

I am planning to get an aftermarket cooler. Tough I am not planning to over-clock now, I may get one to get better acoustics. I can also overclock later. I will update after I get a new cabinet and key board.

Please leave you comments and suggestions.
 
comp@ddict said:
dunno why u bought the GTX260???

Check the GPU section under final components. I have explained why I went
for these components.

Emperor said:
Hi,

Nice rig, but where is the prices? any reason not to disclosed?

Go to the link under "The Ankit Hustle" section, I have updated the prices there.
 
Baap re how much patience you have yaar:O You beat me in that department the build is good :hap2: But i suggest buy a Hsf and Oc that proccy :eek:hyeah:
 
salman8506 said:
Baap re how much patience you have yaar:O You beat me in that department the build is good :hap2: But i suggest buy a Hsf and Oc that proccy :eek:hyeah:

Planning to get the CM Hyper 212 plus. The stock cooler is noisy. At least for better acoustic performance I will get an after market cooler.
 
get the original Hyper 212 don't get the plus since it doesn't have a proper base somekind of space problem there was a discussion here somedays before between the two or you can get a Ultima 90i i have used it for almost 1.5year on my q6600 very good heatsink for the price just one con doesn't come with a fan :)
 
salman8506 said:
get the original Hyper 212 don't get the plus since it doesn't have a proper base somekind of space problem there was a discussion here somedays before between the two or you can get a Ultima 90i i have used it for almost 1.5year on my q6600 very good heatsink for the price just one con doesn't come with a fan :)

How much does it cost in India with a good fan? What about noise levels?
 
It will cost approx 21`2200 in India Noise levels depend on the fan you install on it a good 60`80cfm fan with good static pressure is all that is required to give you good temps :) But you will need to buy Lga1156 mount+fan so cost will not make it vfm. The hyper 212 plus does come with a lga1156 mount :) .
 
viki said:
Check the GPU section under final components. I have explained why I went
for these components.
not reason enuf..

u cud hav gone for the HD5770 older cooler shroud...

and i think u're hardly gonna 3 way CFx a HD5770...u cud hav gone for it

never mind, now u've got the GTX260, it's a gr8 gpu..
 
comp@ddict said:
not reason enuf..

u cud hav gone for the HD5770 older cooler shroud...

and i think u're hardly gonna 3 way CFx a HD5770...u cud hav gone for it

never mind, now u've got the GTX260, it's a gr8 gpu..

I wanted to go for the 5770 if its cheaper than 260. On the day I was shopping I was inclined towards the 5770. Its not only for crossfireX support. Like u said I may not even CFX. I have also mentioned that

1. Primary reason is Linux support. I use linux for everything except gaming.

2. GTX 260 is slightly better performing on an average. I was getting an overclocked card XFX GTX 260 xxx edition for the same price. Which translates to even better performance. Plus its a core edition not the
standard edition.

3. There is no game bundled with any of the 5770's. I got Far Cry 2 bundled
with my card, which I am playing now and is worth it.

4. I want play Batman AA and Mirrors edge with PhysX enabled. PhysX is a bonus.

5. The 5770 has a 128-bit memory interface. It is already bottlenecked in some scenarios. So in the future it may not be able to handle games that make complete use of all DX11 features. In the few games that support DX11 now, there is no noticable difference. When DX11 goes mainstream I can upgrade to a much better DX11 card.
 
well reasoned...xcept higher power consumption, GTX260 especially an OCed one is far better than the HD5770 as far as performance goes....

good buy.
 
comp@ddict said:
well reasoned...xcept higher power consumption, GTX260 especially an OCed one is far better than the HD5770 as far as performance goes....

good buy.

Exactly, I was tempted to get a 5770 for the power consumption. Anyway my entire rig (with monitor and speakers) under normal load does not cross 300W. It could have come down by atleast 30W in such scenario with a 5770. Anyway overall I am satisfied with the buy.
 
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