CPU/Mobo New mbd + processor

Brendon

Brendon

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Hey guys, I need to upgrade my old sytem. My budget is around 11k. However no PCI-e as I have an AGP BIG 6600 GT ( the reason I have to upgrade in the first place as the damm ASUS mbd doesnt work with newer cards !! :@ :@ :@ )

So I was thinking, how about an Intel Petium 4 processor 2.8 Ghz with a Intel original 915 G mbd. I asked my dealer what was the best option to upgrade and he told me to stay away from AMD as they overheat and consume a lot of power and since they are clocked much lower than an Intel P4, they dont perform as well. :) . When I told him I heard that AMD was faster than Intel, he told me that it is just marketing gimmick by AMD and I should not belive those lies, and Intel was the performance leader in both the regular procs and in the dual core segment. :huh: :huh:

Though I read on these forums that a AMD 2800 + with an ASUS K8N is better. Why is that ? Does this mean that you all are correct and my dealer was wrong ? I thought a dealer would know better than TE. If my dealer is wrong then could you please give me another dealer who you trust assemble these components for me. I need a mbd with a 3 year warranty as I am not going to upgrade for another 3 years. I dont overclock, but I dont mind spending on a good motherboard.

I am from Bandra, Mumbai by the way.
 
Ask ur dealer to f*** off. But ur problem is that u don't have enuf budget to get a good Skt. 939 proccy + MOBO. If u want Skt. 754 whose only backdraw is that it doesn't have dual-channel memory. A 3000+ Skt. 754 ( Not sure if u've to get a Hammer or a NewCastle ) + K8N-E would be ideal for u.
 
Well to put it simply, ur dealer is an ar$eh0le :P. First of all, the 915G mobo is PCI Express it has no AGP so u cant put ur 6600GT into it. Second thing about AMD overheating LOL... tell him to put his hand on a 3GHz prescott heatsink when on load and keep it there for a minute :P. He'll spend his next day at the hospital :D. If you wanna know about the power consumption of current CPUs look over here....

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-venice/index.x?pg=14

Prescotts run so hot(70-75 maybe even 80 degrees) and eat so much power that they throttle themselves on load to avoid burning itself up :\. In contrast a venice athlon 64 chip reaches a maximum temperature of 42-43 under load.

About the megahertz myth... well you know Intel is condemning the netburst architecture cos it has no future. A 1.8GHz Athlon 64 outperforms a 3 or 3.2GHz prescott in most apps since the p4 netburst architecture is so inefficient. Its not clock speed but instructions per clock cycle (IPC) that matter. As far as dual cores are concerned, intel itself admitted that its dual cores are a hack job. The slowest AMD dual core is faster than the fastest Intel dualcore.

As far as what you should buy, for 11K, go for a socket 754 Athlon 64 3000+ and an asus K8N mobo. If you can stretch ur budget a little bit more, get a socket 939 athlon 64 3000+ with an asus A8V Deluxe motherboard.

Finally do yourself a favour and don't buy from that dealer :P. Go find someone more knowledgeable at lamington road. Prime is a good shop.
 
Hey Chaos, why don't u specify which proccy to get so that it would be easier for him ? A Clawhammer or a Newcastle ? And how to identify them.
 
hehe like the guys said your dealer is just another n00b brought in by Intels stupid campaign of bigger is better. Regarding your query get s939 3000+ and asus A8V dlx which should come to 7.3k + 6k or arnd 12k.
 
The dual channel memory has a very neglible impact in real life applications, as the onchip memory controller is very efficient, infact a Socket 754 system is a boon now for value gamers.

Get an A64 2800+ coupled with Asus K8n, he bundle should come within 10k. Also your dealer is an ignorant fool, goto to any Lamington road shops even the DEALERS out there agree AMD is a much better deal. Intels heat up, consume more power and are slower complete anti thesis of your dealers view.

PS : Get yourself a new dealer, I have noticed tat ignorant people such as these provides the worst service.
 
Chaos said:
Well to put it simply, ur dealer is an ar$eh0le :P. First of all, the 915G mobo is PCI Express it has no AGP so u cant put ur 6600GT into it. Second thing about AMD overheating LOL... tell him to put his hand on a 3GHz prescott heatsink when on load and keep it there for a minute :P. He'll spend his next day at the hospital :D. If you wanna know about the power consumption of current CPUs look over here....

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-venice/index.x?pg=14

Prescotts run so hot(70-75 maybe even 80 degrees) and eat so much power that they throttle themselves on load to avoid burning itself up :\. In contrast a venice athlon 64 chip reaches a maximum temperature of 42-43 under load.

About the megahertz myth... well you know Intel is condemning the netburst architecture cos it has no future. A 1.8GHz Athlon 64 outperforms a 3 or 3.2GHz prescott in most apps since the p4 netburst architecture is so inefficient. Its not clock speed but instructions per clock cycle (IPC) that matter. As far as dual cores are concerned, intel itself admitted that its dual cores are a hack job. The slowest AMD dual core is faster than the fastest Intel dualcore.

As far as what you should buy, for 11K, go for a socket 754 Athlon 64 3000+ and an asus K8N mobo. If you can stretch ur budget a little bit more, get a socket 939 athlon 64 3000+ with an asus A8V Deluxe motherboard.

Finally do yourself a favour and don't buy from that dealer :P. Go find someone more knowledgeable at lamington road. Prime is a good shop.
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Good job at the explanation, Chaos!

@Ace: I don't quite agree with you. Since AMD64 has a efficient memory controller, dual channel mode is all the more efficient. If by 'real life applications' you mean gaming then yeah, you won't see more than a 10-15% increase in performance. But, try loading a HUGE image file in photostop, or fire up Premiere for video-editing and you'll get a nice boost in memory performance.
 
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Thanks for the advice guys, I think I will go for a Socket 754 board as I will mostly be only playing games and I will not be overclocking the processor so the Venice core will be of no use. I think I will go for the 2800 +. Should I go for the Clawhammer or Newcastle core ? And pair it with the ASUS K8N (plain) as I would not need the extra SATA slots and overclocking options.

If you can think of any other mbd better than this I wouldnt mind paying around 1 - 1.5k more for it as the mbd will be the main component, as I dont want any problems later on.

I can upgrade my budget as I will not be upgrading this PC for another 3 years, but I see no point in spending a few thousands more for just a few fps difference.
 
IF you wanna save money, go for 2800+ newcastle and K8N. In fact if u don't overclock, don't bother whether ur core is newcastle or clawhammer. Both yield exactly the same prformance. If you don't have it, get 1GB of ram for sure and a good psu.
 
hey bf. ur budget 11k is pretty decent. u can get the 2800s754 with k8n for around 9k & if u have 512mb in ur system i suggest u add another 512 ram to it & make it 1gig of ram.

also if are not going to oc then u can go for the asus k8v-x board. its the same in performance but oc's only 10%. i am using this board. perhaps u can save some money if u get this board.

but get the ram upto 1gig rather than going buying a 3000s754
 
I am using a clawhammer for your information and running 2.4 ghz overclocked all the time, i can go till 2.5 easily, but my ram limits my o/cing fun, which proves hammers are good o/cers too.
 
if you are going to spend 11K+ then do not waste ur time and money on a socket 754 platform. instead save a few thousand more and get a venice 3000+ and a suitable m/b for about 13K or less if you buy that foxconn nf4 m/b.

no point in investing in a relatively outdated technology.
 
Oh now I am very confused. I am going to LR in a few hours. I will see what is available. I think I will go for a 3000 + Clawhammer or Newcastle + K8N. I wont go for ram as I have 768 MB DDR 266 right now. So I will upgrade to DDR 400 later when prices come down for 2 GB.

@deejay, I have a AGP card, thats why I am sticking with the Socket 754 platform. Otherwise I would have spent more for a S939 platform in a second.
 
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Hey guys thanks for all the inputs, I got a AMD 3000+ and ASUS K8N-E dlx for 12600. I could not find the K8N plain and the only other mbd available for socket 754 were K8S and MSI Kmm-v or something.

When I asked for S 939, they started laughing when I said AGP slot and told me you dont get mbds with AGP slot in S939. When I told them about A8N they said they never heard of it ! :rofl:

There was only one shop which had S939 and A8N but the cost was 14900 which was way over my budget. Besides I did not have dual channel ram so I went for socket 754 only.

Anyways thanks to everyone who replied. :hap2:
 
BF1983 said:
@deejay, I have a AGP card, thats why I am sticking with the Socket 754 platform. Otherwise I would have spent more for a S939 platform in a second.
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You're confused. Socket 939 is the processor socket. You'll find chipsets in the market that use s939 with both AGP and PCIe.

For AGP chipsets, you'll find the Via K8T800Pro, Nvidia Nforce3 Ultra/250Gb and ULi M1689. ULi has recently launched the M1695 now, but'll that'll take a good 2-3 months before you see it out in retail (it supports both AGP and PCIe). There's even a SIS chipset in the offering - the 755FX.

For PCIe, you'll find Nvidia's nForce4, the ATi Express 200P, Via K8T890Pro and again the ULi M1695 chipset supporting both PCIe and AGP.

So your AGP card isn't limiting the choices you have at all. I agree with what the rest are saying. Spend the odd grand more and pick up a 3000+ Venice and get an nforce3 motherboard. I remember someone on TE mentioning that he could arrange for an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum for about 6k. It'll be quite a good deal.

Edit: Errr how did I miss your post now?? I don't remember seeing it when I started writing my message. Anyway, you should trash your dealer for firstly not knowing that the A8N is not an AGP chipset and correcting you, and secondly for not having heard of it AT ALL!.
 
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U could have got the A8V + a 3000+ Venice for 13300 which is only 700 more than what u've spent right now. That would have meant that u had a Skt. 939 which would have been future-proof plus the fact that when u decide to upgrade ur RAM, u could have had them running in dual-channel. Anyways, all the best with ur MOBO and proccy.
 
Actually I was trying to get a S 939 proc + mbd, but I couldnt find the a8v or any other agp based mbd anywhere ! The one shop where I did find it, he quoted me 7500 ! + 7400 for the 3000 + proc. So I just gave up and went for the K8N board.
 
BF1983 said:
Hey guys thanks for all the inputs, I got a AMD 3000+ and ASUS K8N-E dlx for 12600. I could not find the K8N plain and the only other mbd available for socket 754 were K8S and MSI Kmm-v or something.

When I asked for S 939, they started laughing when I said AGP slot and told me you dont get mbds with AGP slot in S939. When I told them about A8N they said they never heard of it ! :rofl:

There was only one shop which had S939 and A8N but the cost was 14900 which was way over my budget. Besides I did not have dual channel ram so I went for socket 754 only.

Anyways thanks to everyone who replied. :hap2:
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Err where did you get the stuff from and yeah like others said if u had paid a bit more u could have easily got s939 and a8v instead.
 
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