Market Feedback Problem with seller Sibot

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iPwnz

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@sibot (aka kauffmann on Erodov) sold me a used iPhone 4S whose display died. I bought in knowingly that the display was a third-party. But that is not the issue. I bought it with the condition that I would be given a week testing warranty after I have it in my hands. This was communicated to the seller before the purchase. I bought the phone via a relative in Delhi somewhere in March last week. Phone was delivered safely in good hands. Phone was immediately kept away and taken out only on the 4-5th April before flight departure. Since the condition said that warranty should be applicable after I had it since I'm the only one who can use an iPhone and test it the warranty time should start only after i had it on my hands which I earlier said would be 4th April but I got the dates wrong and relative came home on the 5th April and I got the phone only that day. Right from the first day the phone display refused to switched on.

Thread here.
https://www.techenclave.com/community/threads/facing-iphone-4s-display-problem.179057/

Shit got real after he couldn't solve the problem.
Since nothing worked I asked him for full refund. He refused saying he's not responsible and that "testing warranty" doesn't include dead display wtf. I bought it only because I thought I would be safe with a testing warranty period backing it. We couldn't arrive to a conclusion so we added the mods to the conversation but sadly even they thought it was not "fair" (which BTW I still find it laughable and ridiculous) to the seller. What use was the testing warranty then? He even claimed he got it repaired at a trusty "local" repair shop but when I asked him to do it again at the same shop he refused saying it was too far from his place. The use of "local" here is contradictory to his claims. He made it sound like it was just near his place.

Anyway on the advice of some friends I finally only asked that he pay 50% of a new 3rd party display cost and 50% repair cost. Total would be around 1000rs.

Its been over a good one month now and I still haven't received the money. He claimed that he has made the transfer but my bank account statement doesn't agree. He said he sent me the money, which was 900rs against the agreed 1000rs, using IMPS so that I won't suffer any transaction charge and then deducts a 100 bucks. Just wow. Bank transfer details have been shared with the mods.
Edit: money was transferred, to the wrong account which I sent. I made a mistake in the last two digits and interchanged the numbers "43" to "34." *facepalm*.
Now that I think about it I'm glad that it happened with a not-so-huge amount else I would've never known that online money transfer doesn't need the account holder's name. All this time I've been thinking that the person who transfer the money can verify the account holder's name before confirming the payment. Just like how its done with cash deposits. I learned of this only a while ago.

The full discussion was actually a very long convo. I'm only posting a summary here.

Rest of the info can be found in the PM conversation with the seller, myself and the mods.

Seller cheated me of 6000rs.

Ban @sibot.

I'll be more than happy to answer any of your question.
 
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Was the phone working and the screen switched on when the item was delivered to your relative (aunt)?

PS: I was part of the conversation, so just want to make sure that the relevant parts of the ordeal was not missed here in the feedback thread.
 
I would urge you to remove my name from this public thread and restrict yourself to the PM conversation.
 
@rakesh_ic Once again yes. But as you are already aware there was more to it.[DOUBLEPOST=1466605839][/DOUBLEPOST]
I would urge you to remove my name from this public thread and restrict yourself to the PM conversation.
LOL look who just appeared. Finally decided to come online after seeing this. *slow clap*
 
Check your email and the PM thread. And stop acting like your usual pubescent self. If I was to unravel your box of lies here, you'd probably not want to log on to TE ever again. Be a little mature for once and remove my name from here.
 
@rakesh_ic Once again yes. But as you are already aware there was more to it.
So whats more about it? Post it here for others to know since you have already spent lot of effort to put forth the long post, an extra 5 sentences wont hurt but infact give the forum a better chance to knowing it all.

Now since you agree that the phone was working when you (your aunt who collected on your behalf) received it for the first time, a DOA is ruled out and so ---
sadly even they thought it was not "fair" (which BTW I still find it laughable and ridiculous) to the seller.
having such a comment about the the mods thoughts on the issue is uncalled for and demeaning your own credibility of your claims.

Lets put everything here or nothing. All that we (mods) tried was to help you guys resolve your issue and not take sides.
 
So whats more about it? Post it here for others to know since you have already spent lot of effort to put forth the long post, an extra 5 sentences wont hurt but infact give the forum a better chance to knowing it all.

Now since you agree that the phone was working when you (your aunt who collected on your behalf) received it for the first time, a DOA is ruled out and so ---

having such a comment about the the mods thoughts on the issue is uncalled for and demeaning your own credibility of your claims.

Lets put everything here or nothing. All that we (mods) tried was to help you guys resolve your issue and not take sides.
I would love for you to please see my reply on the PM thread. I really don't know what to do with this situation anymore. I have tried my best to resolve this situation, even if it meant bending over and compensating for something that was clearly not my fault and a happenstance out of my power and influence.[DOUBLEPOST=1466609200][/DOUBLEPOST]And I agree with you @rakesh_ic , you guys have been neutral moderators in this dispute. You have judged the dispute on the basis of the facts presented to you by both the parties and have aided in reaching a just, fair and equitable resolution, that was mutually agreed on by both of us.
 
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By "more of it" I meant that you have all read the details regarding the screen, how it was delivered, how long it was kept, when I got it, how I tried to make it work etc.
The main reason why I opened the thread was, as I've already said, I didn't get the refunded amount. why else would I bother going to the bank every now and then, stand in queues, wait for hours sometimes, all these nearly every week? even I want to end this stupid arguments.
about the mods decision, thats my opinion and how I see it from here.[DOUBLEPOST=1466615833][/DOUBLEPOST]But please don't ask me to explain everything again because I'm not going to do it.
 
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But please don't ask me to explain everything again because I'm not going to do it.
Half story is no good. Particularly when you want to point fingers at others who tried to help you.

As you have said the issue is with the transaction not showing up in your bank, have you raised a formal complaint with your bank with the transaction ID provided by the seller? He has provided you the transaction details with screenshot ain't it?

@sibot - I will require your bank statement as well for May in pdf that you might have received in your email. This is just to prove the transaction id is indeed showing up in your bank statement.

Could you both send it to my mail id please - rakesh.26aug@gmail.com
 
@rakesh_ic - If it's okay, I'll send you a screenshot instead of a PDF, since the latter would reveal my account number, something I am not comfortable with. Though I have already posted a screenshot on the PM thread of the account statement from that day and also the IMPS Transfer Status.
EDIT: Sent.
 
@rakesh like I said I've already double-checked, heck triple-checked with my bank. What did you think that i went to the bank for? I could've simply posted my assumption in the PM but decided to do it only after getting word from my bank and that's exactly what I did and updated accordingly with all of you. I'm not going to go and raise another complaint.
And I created this thread because I want to be done with it. He should've have given the details on time like I had done.. He just didn't care so why should I be the only one to take this with importance now? I'm not going to do anything about this anymore. And I'm not stupid enough to risk arguing with you mods either. You've all known everything in the PM- the purchase, the condition, the delivery to me, the condition after that, the refund amount issue, the repair issue, and this last mutually-agreed-because-i-had-no-other-choice refund issue. You can make your own conclusion as you see fit.
Still funny how he decided to come only after hearing of/seeing this thread after two months of absence. :)
 
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Did you send me your PDF yet? I haven't received anything from you so far. If you cant send your pdf, atleast send me the screenshot of a single page with all transactions from 16th May to 24th May.[DOUBLEPOST=1466621873][/DOUBLEPOST]
have you raised a formal complaint with your bank with the transaction ID provided by the seller?
checking for the transaction being present or not is done by you. But what about raising a complaint?
 
@iPwnz - If you would have bothered reading my last post in the PM, you would have realised that the sole reason I logged on to TE today was because a moderator emailed me asking about my stance on the issue at hand. Or maybe you read it and decided to blindside it anyway.

I would request you not to lie that I had not shared the payment details with you. I sent you the details of the transfer on 29th May 2016 after you texted me that you had not received the funds. You emailed the very next morning saying that you HAD RECEIVED the money. After this, I got an email from you two days ago, i.e. 20th of June saying that you still had not received the money. So, for 21 days, you went to the bank week after week to check if the money had come?

If you do not agree with anything I have said above, I can post screen shots of that too here. Would you like that?

Fact of the matter is, I have provided all the proof that I had sent the money to the account that you provided. It is up to you from here on to take the matter up with your bank authorities. I fail to see how the mods or I can do anything about it.

It also reflects poorly on your part to have opened this thread in the first place.

@rakesh_ic - I have sent you the details. Check them whenever you get time. What I fail to understand is, what can you or I do about this situation now? I have provided you with all the proof that I sent him the money. If you want, you can log into my computer via Teamviewer and I can log in to my Netbanking account where you can check for the transaction. I don't know what to say anymore.

Any action that has to be now taken is only on his part. He is shying away from his obligation of going to the bank and lodging a complaint while he's quick to start a thread accusing me of cheating him. Don't you think this is going too far? And is unjust to me?
 
@sibot I checked the screenshot you have sent and I am perfectly fine with it. I wanted the receivers details now which I haven't got yet.

@iPwnz I have the very same question here - week after week you had been to the bank and havent raised a concern yet with the bank when the transaction id is already provided to you? What is the necessity of going to the bank if its only to check for a transaction receipt which has been confirmed that was not received by the bank (as per the buyers claim) - It can be done over a call to the bank customer care as well. Well, if that facility isnt available, instead of going there thrice and coming back empty, why haven't a complaint being lodged for the missing transaction?
 
If ipwnz hasn't received the money, then maybe there is a mistake in the Account number? Do check that..
 
If ipwnz hasn't received the money, then maybe there is a mistake in the Account number? Do check that..
Yep, that's what's happened. He gave me the wrong account number. :/

He should have at least verified the details he sent me before creating this thread. Any sensible person would do that before jumping to conclusions.
 
Yep, that's what's happened. He gave me the wrong account number. :/

He should have at least verified the details he sent me before creating this thread. Any sensible person would do that before jumping to conclusions.
Knew it xD
So what now? I guess he needs to contact his branch. Maybe they can reverse it.
 
If ipwnz hasn't received the money, then maybe there is a mistake in the Account number? Do check that..
Yes. I confirm that I made a mistake in the last two digits. Really a facepalm'ing moment.
Yep, that's what's happened. He gave me the wrong account number. :/

He should have at least verified the details he sent me before creating this thread. Any sensible person would do that before jumping to conclusions.
Yes I should've. Thought I proofread the message before and after sending the message. I guess I simply swiped through the ending numbers.
But I really didn't know of the "only transfer needs only account number and ifsc", I thought one could check the name too to verify it just like how the bank staff do during cash deposits. TIL.
Well I made someone else happy and glad it was not such a huge amount. Could've been worse for me later. >_>
But I was not jumping to conclusions else I wouldn't have bothered making regular trips to the bank.
 
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