Graphic Cards Rydermark benchmark alleges Nvidia fudge

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16 bit textures only, not 32 please, breaking DX9 specs
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GAME developers on an upcoming boat racing benchmark, entitled Rydermark alleged that one of the two graphic vendors is fudging the truth with its per pixel precision. DirectX 9 requires you to use at least 24 bit or full 32-bit Shader precision.
Nvidia doesn’t let developers use more than 16 bit and of course it is much faster than 32 bit precision. The only problem is that 16 bit precision is below the requirements of DirectX 9, so if you use less than 24 you are not DirectX 9 compliant.

If you want to do normal mapping, parallax mapping and water reflection/refraction, your Shader requires 32 bit precision.

Nvidia doesn’t leave you any choice, it's claimed. You simply cannot turn 24 or 32 bit precision on, you are always locked at 16 bit. From a developer and artistic perspective this is really unacceptable but will buy you a few frames here and there.

Developers have also informed us that they have no way to stop Nvidia doing this. The only way is to make the community aware, and that can change some minds. There is more to come and we will try to get you screenshots to really see the difference.
And a couple of weeks later theinquirer has come up with the screenshots
SOME TWO weeks back we promised you screenshots to back up a story about a fudge on Nvidia benchmarks.

We don’t yak a lot about it, we will just show you two pictures and let you judge for yourself. You can clearly see that the top Californian graphic company is using lower precision shaders. Both shots were done at 1600x1200using default driver settings.

We advise you to download the pictures and flip between them to see the difference. Take particular note of the water.
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The files are about 1.5MB in size
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undertaker said:
This is all false propaganda by ATi , Nvidia is the best.
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What's with your sig, dude?

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Seems more appropriate for a VHP forum than a tech forum, IMO.
 
"Rydermark" Cheating Allegations Discredited - DailyTech

"Rydermark developers" make bold claims which turn out to be nothing more than a Photoshop hoax
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It turns out the images "proving" NVIDIA’s wrongdoings were nothing more than poorly done Photoshopped images. The NVIDIA rendered image appeared to have blurrier water while the ATI rendered image had sharper water detail. However, the ATI rendered image just didn’t look right with poor cut offs and a creation date three minutes after the NVIDIA rendered image.
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A difference of the metadata from both images reveals that the NativeDigest delimiter is identical for both images, but has two different InstanceIDs. This would be consistent with an image that was modified and saved twice. In the author's defense, images that are created and saved on his computer have distinct metadata tags that are very easily identifiable. These are not present in the two images supplied by The Inquirer for "Rydermark" -- suggesting the images may not have been modified by the author.

There’s been an outcry of The Inquirer images on various forums including Ace’s Hardware, AnandTech and Beyond3D.
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Here we go.

Why do we still bother reading The Inquirer stories? :) (No offense to you, Octave... Not your fault, but the Inquirer's, as always)
 
Theinquirer Defends itself

Rydermark maker labels hoax allegations irresponsible

YOUR HUMBLE INQ, together with the developer of Rydermark, has been accused of a serious Photoshopping job. A link to the accusations is here.
Anyone who knows any kind of shader programming knows that the shader can mimic any filter from Photoshop. It is as simple as that, and I don't have any idea why I should bother to Photoshop anything or why a developer might bother to do so either.

I have enough stories to write, and I don't need to make ones up. And I wouldn't benefit from the practice at all. It is as simple as that.

And I can't see why a developer would bother to do such a thing either. We are talking here about people I have known for close to five years. They never messed me up before, so I stand by my story.

The developer is furious about the allegations posted by Anand's spawn, as this affects his credibility as much as it does ours. This is what you get when you take on PR departments of the multi-billion dollar companies. But we've negotiated such terrain before and we will prevail [You been chatting with Dubya, Fudo? - News Ed.] this time. If we are right on this, and we strongly believe we are, then Nvidia will be in serious trouble.

We are working hard with the developer to present more proof to our eager audience of millions and we may even have a video to show you, but this thing could take a few days. We don't want do give the story up.

As usual, the forums have begun to bubble with anti-INQ tirades. Here's one of my favorite posts:

Originally posted by: akshayt
inquirer = crap
I thought the X1900XTX was crap?

I do agree with you though in that the Inquirer is just as reliable as a magic 8-ball.

Let me try to elaborate on this, Nvidia fanboy. If we are as reliable as a magic 8-ball why the heck does every single important CEO or VP in the industry talk to us? I'm afraid that the INQ is consistently far more accurate that anyone in the industry wants to admit.

I am disappointed to learn how Kristopher's/Anand's/ boys easily swallow Nvidia PR lines. That's beyond me, as is what is going on in certain forums.

I think this is just the beginning and, believe me, there will be more to come.
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OT:
btw isnt akshayt techboy's nick at anandtech forum?
AnandTech - How to change IP address?
check this thread too
AnandTech - 1900XTX is CRAP
 
I'm afraid that the INQ is consistently far more accurate that anyone in the industry wants to admit.
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He does have a point there. Their style may be sensationalist, but they are as accurate as the rest most of the time. The problem with them is they never provide proper proof. Of course nowadays a lot of the others (like Hardocp and xbitlabs) have terrible reporting too.
 
I am sure that Rydermarks r hoaxing, by comparing at the 2 pics its plain to everybody that there's difference only with the water not with land & buildings, this is a poor work in photoshop i presume, even if nvidia r using 16bit shaders as rydermark claims, the differnce shld be everywhere in the pics & not confined only with respect to the water!!
 
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