Samsung Wave 3 - Bring it on

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Samsung S8600 Wave 3 preview: Exclusive first look - GSMArena.com
A new wave. Till now looks amazing. All it needs is more essentials(apps) and a few more games for timepass.

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Good to see they went back to SAMOLED.

Looks very promising, now if they could only make this a dev-friendly OS. Can it be a runaway success like the Wave 8500 with Nexus S priced under 20K? Only time will tell.

I think if they price it at 15K they'll pull off a major coup. It can be a very good first smartphone for that budget.
 
except the proccy at 1.4ghz, 4inch screen and possibly bada2.0, i dont see any improvement from wave1.....they should release a dual core mobile with this this phone too....
 
Who will buy a Bada phone priced at 30k with dual core? I dont think anyone will buy it even if it is around 25k.

The only way Samsung can push Bada forward is by releasing a variety of low and mid range phones, because mid-high and high end buyers will surely go for either Android, iOS (or maybe Symbian or BB).

Samsung's low end Wave series with phones like Wave525, priced at 5.8k sells because people get Bada OS for just a few hundred more compared to feature phones like Star 2, Star NXT, and there are no droids from popular manufacturers in that price segment. But once you move into the next price segment, it becomes a lot more difficult for you to sell a Bada phone. So, a dual core Bada phone seems unlikely, at least for some months till prices of dual core chipsets drop into the mid-range segment.
 
^With WaveI multimedia was their forte. The Humming Bird SOC and SAMOLED which it shared with its cousin Galaxy S where its USP. It costed just ~17k compared to ~28k of the Galaxy S but had the same h/w except the screen size! The design, compactness and materials used where also good.

Wish the Galaxy S i9000 was like the Wave3. Would have sold even more due to design, looks and metallic parts.

Not a big changed h/w wise. The MSM8255T @1.4GHz beats the Hummingbird CPU because of the huge clock speed bump(40% high) But still the Adreno 205 cant compete with the PowerVR SGX 540 which is much superior.

The Wave 3 has the same h/w as the New Samsung W I8150 except the bigger, better screen. The W would sell for ~17k considering its a W device. So the Wave 3 should be priced at ~12k-14k for it to sell. Again the USP would be a big 4" SAMOLED in the sub 15k section. Else i think this would be a hard sell.
 
But i do not understand one thing.

Samsung uses the same hardware for both phones (almost, except screen size) as you said, DA. For the Wave, it develops its own Bada OS, thus incurring the development cost of an OS. In the case of the GS, it uses Google's (OHA's) readily available operating system after applying some custom tweaks, interface etc...

Then in this case, why is the GS priced at 11k (28k vs 17k launch price as you said) more than the Wave? Should the 'development and maintenance cost of a new OS, plus maintaining a market' of Wave/Bada not cancel out the 'extra screen cost and tweaking cost' of the GS, and thus leading to similar pricing of both phones?

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop had said a few months ago that though Nokia will pay Microsoft for each copy of WP7, still the cost of the phone will be lower than that of a similar Symbian one because Nokia's OS development cost for Symbian will be saved.

In Samsung's case, they do not even have to pay this cost to Google since Android is free, open source.

Then why is there so much difference in the price of Wave and SGS? A much lower profit margin?
 
I have seen the quality of free apps from Samsung and android(being a former user of Wave1), the bad thing is bada apps were in no comparison to android apps.. i know bada was in nascent stage, but still delaying updates by almost a year (1.0 to 1.2 came almost after a year) will leave any user frustrated.

Now that Sammy has hired the brain child of Cyanogen mod.. perhaps it can play a good part in future of Samsung.
 
i was comparing the old wave 1 with galaxy s as price of 17k vs 28k. thus they could have released a phone with same specs of galaxy s2 and priced it around 17k. it would have been awesome with dual core in wave3 priced around 17k.
 
^To heavily promote Wave1(in turn BADA OS) and increase the user base. Also the smaller SAMOLED screen might have save them a couple of bucks in production costs. Why would someone buy a Wave with BADA when he can get an Android with identical h/w for couple of thousands more.

They might have kept the thinnest of profit margins for their Wave1 phone.
 
rhlravi said:
But i do not understand one thing.

Samsung uses the same hardware for both phones (almost, except screen size) as you said, DA. For the Wave, it develops its own Bada OS, thus incurring the development cost of an OS. In the case of the GS, it uses Google's (OHA's) readily available operating system after applying some custom tweaks, interface etc...

Then in this case, why is the GS priced at 11k (28k vs 17k launch price as you said) more than the Wave? Should the 'development and maintenance cost of a new OS, plus maintaining a market' of Wave/Bada not cancel out the 'extra screen cost and tweaking cost' of the GS, and thus leading to similar pricing of both phones?

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop had said a few months ago that though Nokia will pay Microsoft for each copy of WP7, still the cost of the phone will be lower than that of a similar Symbian one because Nokia's OS development cost for Symbian will be saved.

In Samsung's case, they do not even have to pay this cost to Google since Android is free, open source.

Then why is there so much difference in the price of Wave and SGS? A much lower profit margin?
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To gain market share, companies sometime go to ANY extent imaginable!

Let me give you an example. Sony lost the BETAMAX to VHS in the format war. The main reason was –

The immediate reason for the Betamax failure was competition. Sony's rival Matsushita had developed the VHS system and licensed it to any manufacturer or retailer who wished to slap a brand name on it--from Sears to General Electric. The result: More VHS sets sold, which led to more films being available on VHS, which led to more VHS sets selling--and to Sony recognizing Betamax's ultimate failure (the company discontinued the product in 1988).
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Source

Sony learned it the hard way. So when it came to BluRay vs. HD-DVD, it left no stones unturned to make sure that they gain greater market share and win this war. So they even negotiated deals with pr0n industry which was instrumental in VHS’s win during analog video cassette war.

So what is the FASTEST way to make sure you have LOTS of Bulray players sold before your competitors do? Gaming consoles! Sony put this very risky bet and has lost BILLIONS of $$$ in an effort to penetrate Bluray Players into millions of living rooms across the globe. The cost of PS3 reached break-even as late as 2009! Sony hopes to recover this amount through the licensing fees it charges to third parties for manufacturing Blurays.

Sometimes you have to think long term and place VERY RISKY bets and hope everything works out the way you imagined!
 
The reason why samsung sell wave phones cheaper is same as to why google develops and licenses android for free. See in the android ecosystem everything is controlled by google, like for ex app store. Similarly samsung wants to develop Bada os so that they earn from the software part too.
Btw wave 2 is a big hit in india. Yes we talk about droids, gb, cm7 in tech forums, but mr moneybags goes to the shop, sees a metallic slab with big screen, 1ghz processor and HD camera, and buys it on the spot. It does help that samsung is the new 'nokia' in india.
 
Why would someone buy a Wave with BADA when he can get an Android with identical h/w for couple of thousands more.
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Not a couple of thousand, there was a pretty wide gap between Wave 1 and Galaxy S (launch time, price points) and other Android phones. When I bought my Wave, at that time Milestone 1 was 24K, Nokia N8 25K, Xperia X10 was also 22-23+ and Galaxy S was 26-27K. This was the first time a capacitive touch phone HD rec, 5MP CAM and 1 GHZ proccy was available under 20K.

Remember that was mid 2010 when ALL 1GHZ smartphones were 25k+. Price wise Xperia Mini Pro was 16K and HTC Wildfire 1 was 15-16K running Android 1.6. Hence. Then Microsoft launched their products they priced it at 30K.

As far as the profits margins go, they sold a LOT of bada phones. bada has been outdoing Windows 7 Phones in terms of units sold. 3.5 million last quarter.

http://www.canalys.com/newsroom/android-increases-smart-phone-market-leadership-35-share

Asia is the main focus and as already mentioned "the new NOKIA". Samsung has all it's fingers dipped in "ghee" at the moment. Making Windows 7, Android and it's own platform.

-----------------------some other links for your reading------------------

Units sold figures

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Noki...of-Microsofts-Windows-platforms-in-Q2_id21115

http://www.badaforums.net/bada-news...er-samsung-bada-outperforms-wp7-in-shipments/
 
rhlravi said:
But i do not understand one thing.
Samsung uses the same hardware for both phones (almost, except screen size) as you said, DA. For the Wave, it develops its own Bada OS, thus incurring the development cost of an OS. In the case of the GS, it uses Google's (OHA's) readily available operating system after applying some custom tweaks, interface etc...
Then in this case, why is the GS priced at 11k (28k vs 17k launch price as you said) more than the Wave? Should the 'development and maintenance cost of a new OS, plus maintaining a market' of Wave/Bada not cancel out the 'extra screen cost and tweaking cost' of the GS, and thus leading to similar pricing of both phones?

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop had said a few months ago that though Nokia will pay Microsoft for each copy of WP7, still the cost of the phone will be lower than that of a similar Symbian one because Nokia's OS development cost for Symbian will be saved.
In Samsung's case, they do not even have to pay this cost to Google since Android is free, open source.

Then why is there so much difference in the price of Wave and SGS? A much lower profit margin?
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Gaining market share is one reason as already mentioned and Android is not free...
As manufacturers like HTC have been paying royalties for every android device they make to microsoft, and other manufacturers r fighting lawsuits for selling android devices.
the very reason Google has bought motorola, to protect the interest of android phone manufacturers.
 
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