The Trumps & Elon tweets thread (Had to make this since it's never ending)

Now apply that thinking to every country that trades with the US and what do you get?
Trump gets benefit, other countries get the stick ?
World is paying for their failures ?

 
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Bern following Lei for a while now. She explains things well and frequently debunks things people consider as fact like say China's GDP.

She called it a trade war a week ago and terms it an extinction level disaster for China's export sector and the CCP :happy:

She also said the tariffs are China targeted. Targeted at the CCP's export dominance, export dumping practices and its supply chain control.

The Chinese economy is already in a traumatic downturn and export is the only sector they have going. Therefore export is key to the stability of the regime. China is effectively playing with a weak hand or its back to the wall.

China's exports to the US from their customs data make up 36% of the total surplus. But this doesn't include a lot of third countries that transhipped for China. Ironically these countries have a huge surplus with the US which is why Trump's tariffs target them. There is a common pattern of countries across the globe running a deficit with China due to dumping and balancing that deficit with surpluses from the US. Well, that is no longer possible so these countries will have to tighten their imports from China. You can see how China gets squeezed from many directions.

So the US market makes up much more of China's stated surplus and is irreplaceable.

The way the CCP bots spin this is US only makes up 15% of China's exports and losing the US market isn't a big deal. It is a big deal. A very big fcuking deal! Think 45 - 50%

To people who say prices will rise in the US. Yes, they will but let's say exporter & importer agree to split the costs instead of assuming only importer. Now the increase will be less but the exporters profits will be completely wiped out. As it is they are very low, think less than 5%. So these exporters now become fully dependent on CCP government subsidy to stay in business.

The result is a negative cycle of shrinking exports, worsening unemployment (upto 36 million), cash flow crises, weakening consumption & contracting investments. This will only aggravate China's existing problems like the property market crisis, local government debt (currency depreciation) and high household debt.

CCP has chosen a maximalist position. Typical because it means Xi cannot back down without losing face so its the other side that has to relent. Nah! Not with Trump.

China has nowhere to go. Either China caves or the CCP is going to be overthrown. Some like GD Bakshi are already hinting at a possible military coup. Not so outlandish is it when you understand how deadly it is for China to retaliate. A third possibility is an adventure. Taiwan (too hard), India (too hard), Philippines (US treaty partner). That leaves Vietnam.. which won't draw in the US.

Very interesting times ahead for China :D

 
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@blr_p
Thanks a lot for the summation. Really accurate.
As far as India & other countries are concerned, we are caught in the crosshairs.
Looking for a trade wars unless we are impacted by any other disasters to take the edge off.

On a lighter note:
We at techenclave must have a clarity,
Will the prices of electronic goods, PC components, Mobiles & whatnots purchased in India - Increase?....Obviously Yes. Increase by what % is the key.
Several key Tiers of products.
Nature of product - dependency of a product on USA & China - Like if we are getting DELL/HP American companies products with their input components from China (Increase %) + US Mark up to India (Increase % )
Will the prices of electronic goods, PC components, Mobiles & whatnots purchased in USA - Increase?....Obviously Yes. Increase by what % is the key.
Nature of product - dependency of a product on USA & China - Like if we are getting DELL/HP/Intel/AMD/Apple American companies products with their input components from China (Increase %)
Will the prices of electronic goods, PC components, Mobiles & whatnots purchased ELSEWHERE...like in CHINA - Increase?....Obviously Yes. Increase by what % is the key.
Thanks to the pocketing mentality of others stuck in between China and USA.

ALL IN ALL PREPARE FOR THE WORST.
Any inputs from our own TE experts.
 
To people who say prices will rise in the US. Yes, they will but let's say exporter & importer agree to split the costs instead of assuming only importer. Now the increase will be less but the exporters profits will be completely wiped out. As it is they are very low, think less than 5%. So these exporters now become fully dependent on CCP government subsidy to stay in business.
No one is saying that anymore. 100% tariff is effectively a trade embargo, doesn't matter if it's 105% or 110%. It's meaningless. Except for essential items, US will not be buying anything from China if this is really implemented. And if those items are essential you bet the exporter is not going to eat any loss.
 

Late realizations....
 

Late realizations....
Apple stock about to blow up today
According to this page - electronics are 1/4 of all imports to US from China. Slowly this is becoming comically meaningless.

 
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