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<blockquote data-quote="mgcarley" data-source="post: 1707139" data-attributes="member: 38360"><p>Airtel has released LTE in Kolkata and Bangalore, BSNL is trying to sell it's spectrum back because it needs the money. But while the government might like to trumpet 3G and 4G as being the greatest thing since the radio, there are still issues with it, including but not limited to the fact that wireless in any form SUCKS as a transmission medium, especially for high bit-rates. It's finicky, prone to interference, slow & more latent, easily overloaded and generally unstable. I'm very much of the opinion that wireless should be a supplement to a wired connection, not the primary mode of connectivity... you've all seen what happened to BSNL 3G (and MTNL 3G) when they released unlimited plans - the whole network turned to custard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The very nature of Bittorrent would make this meaningless - for example, if I were to download some Hindi movie from TPB right now it would probably come mostly from India, UK or USA (largest concentrations of Hindi-speakers)... the very nature of Bittorrent is that it's completely agnostic as to where the parts of the file actually comes from.</p><p></p><p>What ISPs *are* capable of - and are starting to do - are install P2P caches. Some ISPs have them - Beam, Alliance, Fivenet, us... I don't know enough about what's in the cores of the others though. BSNL etc probably don't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are they? Most of the torrents I download are completely legal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes and no.</p><p></p><p>Delhi and Mumbai are magnitudes more expensive to lay down cables in than Bangalore, Hyderabad and Kolkata. This probably contributes to it. As far as Airtel is concerned, it is based in Delhi, so that is presumably it's primary market and/or the easiest market for it to influence, that is to say, the top-guys at Airtel will know all the right guys in Delhi to speak to in order to get stuff done, the same way I know more people in Mumbai than I do in, say, Chennai: it's a simple matter of proximity, even though they're a nationwide player.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If by "huge concentration" you mean "one in each city", then yeah - you're talking about Beam and Act, for sure. In Mumbai I'm not sure who you're referring to - I'm not widespread enough yet that I could really be counted, so maybe Fivenet? Also Kolkata has Alliance, but they suffer the same problems as Beam and Act, which is the cable operators and their shoddy networks and lack of maintenance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>2 things:</p><p></p><p>1. The minimum broadband speed is NOT 2mbps - this has been widely misreported. 2mbps only comes in to effect in 2015. As of this year, it's 512k (up from 256k in the previous NBP).</p><p>2. It only really concerned the advertising of Internet - it's perfectly legitimate for an ISP to sell a 1mbps high-speed Internet plan and charge you exactly the same amount of money for it as they do now, they just can't call it <em>broadband.</em> I don't believe it has any bearing on FUPs (which weren't really tackled in this particular piece of legislation) - you could look at this from two different perspectives: "A rose by any other name..." or "You can put lipstick on a pig..."</p><p></p><p>Incidentally they reckon that speeds of 100mbit/s should be available to urban areas by I think 2017 - but there's no mention on what they'll be able to charge for it or what kind of quota you'll get or how... I mean, frankly, it's a piece of cake to provide 100mbit/s - but figuring out the rest of the numbers... that's the really hard part.</p><p></p><p>Airtel's new FTTH plans have a max of 175GB for over Rs5k - if that's any indicator, then the situation isn't really going to be improved because the plan itself is too lax and the document is not comprehensive enough, in my view. It has no real service guide and most of the quality expectations are aimed at cellular services, not wired broadband.</p><p></p><p>Hell, they could have made the minimum 50mbps to be called broadband and it would make absolutely zero difference whatsoever except for the terminology used in the brochure.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately it seems that it's really going to be up to some company to provide outstanding service and raise the bar, otherwise I'm afraid they'll just be able to get away with the same sh*t they always have been.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sure they do, but this would count as a leased-line and I doubt they'd advertise those prices publicly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, yeah... I know it's right... like I said: I heard about the bandwidth from the "horses mouth"... and the guys who sold them caching servers were also working to sell me caching servers, so...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There you go then.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver">- - - Updated - - -</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't seen the latest tenders for BSNL etc so I don't know exactly what they pay right now (since they tend to sign quite long-term IRUs - that is, irrevocable rights of usage - that may still actually be current for them). I was merely comparing those numbers to my own.</p><p></p><p>...and I wonder if anyone realizes that BSNL's landing station at Tuticorin only goes to Sri Lanka?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mgcarley, post: 1707139, member: 38360"] Airtel has released LTE in Kolkata and Bangalore, BSNL is trying to sell it's spectrum back because it needs the money. But while the government might like to trumpet 3G and 4G as being the greatest thing since the radio, there are still issues with it, including but not limited to the fact that wireless in any form SUCKS as a transmission medium, especially for high bit-rates. It's finicky, prone to interference, slow & more latent, easily overloaded and generally unstable. I'm very much of the opinion that wireless should be a supplement to a wired connection, not the primary mode of connectivity... you've all seen what happened to BSNL 3G (and MTNL 3G) when they released unlimited plans - the whole network turned to custard. The very nature of Bittorrent would make this meaningless - for example, if I were to download some Hindi movie from TPB right now it would probably come mostly from India, UK or USA (largest concentrations of Hindi-speakers)... the very nature of Bittorrent is that it's completely agnostic as to where the parts of the file actually comes from. What ISPs *are* capable of - and are starting to do - are install P2P caches. Some ISPs have them - Beam, Alliance, Fivenet, us... I don't know enough about what's in the cores of the others though. BSNL etc probably don't. Are they? Most of the torrents I download are completely legal. Yes and no. Delhi and Mumbai are magnitudes more expensive to lay down cables in than Bangalore, Hyderabad and Kolkata. This probably contributes to it. As far as Airtel is concerned, it is based in Delhi, so that is presumably it's primary market and/or the easiest market for it to influence, that is to say, the top-guys at Airtel will know all the right guys in Delhi to speak to in order to get stuff done, the same way I know more people in Mumbai than I do in, say, Chennai: it's a simple matter of proximity, even though they're a nationwide player. If by "huge concentration" you mean "one in each city", then yeah - you're talking about Beam and Act, for sure. In Mumbai I'm not sure who you're referring to - I'm not widespread enough yet that I could really be counted, so maybe Fivenet? Also Kolkata has Alliance, but they suffer the same problems as Beam and Act, which is the cable operators and their shoddy networks and lack of maintenance. 2 things: 1. The minimum broadband speed is NOT 2mbps - this has been widely misreported. 2mbps only comes in to effect in 2015. As of this year, it's 512k (up from 256k in the previous NBP). 2. It only really concerned the advertising of Internet - it's perfectly legitimate for an ISP to sell a 1mbps high-speed Internet plan and charge you exactly the same amount of money for it as they do now, they just can't call it [I]broadband.[/I] I don't believe it has any bearing on FUPs (which weren't really tackled in this particular piece of legislation) - you could look at this from two different perspectives: "A rose by any other name..." or "You can put lipstick on a pig..." Incidentally they reckon that speeds of 100mbit/s should be available to urban areas by I think 2017 - but there's no mention on what they'll be able to charge for it or what kind of quota you'll get or how... I mean, frankly, it's a piece of cake to provide 100mbit/s - but figuring out the rest of the numbers... that's the really hard part. Airtel's new FTTH plans have a max of 175GB for over Rs5k - if that's any indicator, then the situation isn't really going to be improved because the plan itself is too lax and the document is not comprehensive enough, in my view. It has no real service guide and most of the quality expectations are aimed at cellular services, not wired broadband. Hell, they could have made the minimum 50mbps to be called broadband and it would make absolutely zero difference whatsoever except for the terminology used in the brochure. Unfortunately it seems that it's really going to be up to some company to provide outstanding service and raise the bar, otherwise I'm afraid they'll just be able to get away with the same sh*t they always have been. I'm sure they do, but this would count as a leased-line and I doubt they'd advertise those prices publicly. Well, yeah... I know it's right... like I said: I heard about the bandwidth from the "horses mouth"... and the guys who sold them caching servers were also working to sell me caching servers, so... There you go then. [COLOR=silver]- - - Updated - - -[/COLOR] I haven't seen the latest tenders for BSNL etc so I don't know exactly what they pay right now (since they tend to sign quite long-term IRUs - that is, irrevocable rights of usage - that may still actually be current for them). I was merely comparing those numbers to my own. ...and I wonder if anyone realizes that BSNL's landing station at Tuticorin only goes to Sri Lanka? [/QUOTE]
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