Hari Prasad Against the EVM Machines

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Busting the "tamper proof" myth about electronic devices. It is harder than you think when you realise you're up against the ruling administration.

Man who showed 'EVM loopholes' held for 'theft'
Prasad was arrested from his Hyderabad residence on Saturday by a team of Mumbai Police officials after the Mumbai Collector's office lodged a complaint alleging that an EVM had been stolen from the office godown in May. He has been booked under Sections 454, 457 and 380 of the Indian Penal Code for housebreaking and theft.

Prasad is the co-author of a paper on the security aspects of the EVMs used in Indian elections, in which he partnered two researchers from the US and Netherlands earlier this year. He is also coordinator of a national-level citizen's forum to promote "Verifiability, Transparency and Accountability (VeTA) in Indian elections".
Prasad's arrest comes nearly four months after he appeared on a local television channel demonstrating the ways in which an EVM could allegedly be tampered. In his demonstration, Prasad had claimed that a small part of the machine could be replaced with a lookalike component and silently instructed to steal a percentage of the votes in favour of a chosen candidate.

He had also claimed that a replaced machine could send signals that could be tracked on a mobile phone and that a pocket-sized device could be used to change the votes stored in the EVM between the election and the public counting session.
Indian e-voting researcher released on bail
Prasad, who had already developed what he described as a "look-alike" EVM, including its electronics, showed the group how elections using an EVM could be tampered with. The group then asked him if he could do the same if he was provided with an EVM used in an election, and he confirmed that he could, Prasad said.
By "coincidence," Prasad's foreign co-researchers were also in Hyderabad at the time, and they worked through the night to hack the EVM, Prasad said. The researchers, who were in India to address a conference on EVMs hosted by Indian opposition politician Subramanian Swamy, were visiting Prasad to see the EVM he had developed, and to work together on a paper on the vulnerability of EVMs, he added.
Hari Prasad vows to continue his fight against EVMs
Hari Prasad appealed to techies in the country to come forward to expose the flaws in the EVMs.
 

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frankly speaking I dont believe in this hacking bullshit.

Yes an electronics device can be hacked but how can a switched off device can be made to transmit signal is outta my mind?

Secondly to replace a chip inside you have to crack not only one person but a whole team in a circle, that may include officers of the rank of collector, IPS, and many more.

Thirdly all the machine when programmed about candidates in field are done in presence of a "PANCH" then sealed, rechecked before real elections in a mock drill, resealed and only opened before the voting starts, so without breaking seals how can someone tamper with machine is definitely unthinkable. This process iirc has representatives of candidates present in the office of electoral officer.

Forthly after the voting is over machines are shut down and shifted to strong room, with seals and counter signed by booth incharge, ward incharge, strong room incharge which is counter verified by electoral officer.

Fifthly what about stealing the paper ballot and destroying like in old days.

Sixthly does any one think about cost of paper ballots and also environment?

Seventhly does any one recall election fiasco in FLORIDA is so called leading country of world, Bush V/s Gore, the election commission could not verify the results for 48 hours. while EVMs in India have given accuracy unmatched anywhere.

Yes to counter check the reliability you do the experiments, but just because its being made and used in India , its ridiculed I am not going to believe.

The people who designed this machines are also techies, infact much better than us, that they keep on working faithfully like soldiers on borders, within the limited salaries provided by government.
 

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What Hari Prasad did was correct. He showed a flaw in the machine. If you can correct the flaw its better. What's the harm in improving the machine. Just because it is better than the one in Florida doesn't really means that you can not improve it.

Probably the part replaced also has a battery inside.

Many people check it. But how many people would actually be able to tell whether the supplied machine has the tampered part or the original one.

People still regard the goverment jobs very highly. Even if we overlook the fact that it was developed by underpaid (which I don't think the case is) techies doesn't really means that anything they provide should be accepted.
 

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medpal said:
The people who designed this machines are also techies, infact much better than us, that they keep on working faithfully like soldiers on borders, within the limited salaries provided by government.
That has nothing to do with it. Anything thats closed source can always/will be attacked. Hence there is no point claiming EVM's can't be messed with. Hari Prasad is not just your rogue hacker but a ethical hacker. Understand the difference between that.

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What Hari Prasad did was correct. He showed a flaw in the machine. If you can correct the flaw its better. What's the harm in improving the machine. Just because it is better than the one in Florida doesn't really means that you can not improve it.

Probably the part replaced also has a battery inside.

Many people check it. But how many people would actually be able to tell whether the supplied machine has the tampered part or the original one.

People still regard the goverment jobs very highly. Even if we overlook the fact that it was developed by underpaid (which I don't think the case is) techies doesn't really means that anything they provide should be accepted.
^ its not a flaw imo. That was modding the evm machine which no person in his right mind will do in front of election officers and police standing guard at the booths.

flaw = not modding/ doing any changes to the machine and still getting votes in favour of one candidate through unfair means. the quotes above show he could get unfair votes or more only after replacing some components inside the machine.
 
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name one electronic device that cant be modded or hacked. lol if even microsoft cant save their xbox from modders how much do you think EVM will last ?
 

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Rigging paper votes is easy than EVM hence all this mess created

Plus half the voters are illiterate and when booth capturing happens votes are dont by same person 10 times.WHen evm is there one person cant restart the machine or if doing so some irregular happening happens machine will turn dead and voting of that area/region cancelled or double triple scrutinised

Thats the reason they dont want evm.Definitely every electrical device can be modded but it can be rigged easily
 

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Both paper and machines can be rigged. But the point is that rigging a machine is much easier and takes far little time.

I got a PS2 modded for less than 30 mins. Are these EVMs actually better than these gaming consoles? Are your sure that the people who made it did not share it designs or secrets with someone?

Rigging a paper ballet takes lots and lots of work and the rigger still cannot be sure if what he did was enough. EVM's however will need less than 60 min. Pay the guardian a few lakh rupees and led the modder work on it for a few minutes. Rigging an election was never this easier.