US India diplomatic row over Devyani Khobragade escalates

^^Yep, the US law enforcement is racist from what I've heard, but they are held accountable for if they do anything out of the line.

Jump back to India, we have police helping the public kill persons from lower-castes, just because they "dishonored" the society (a.k.a honour killings). The elite have a different law in India, though not by constitution.

In India, the maid would be arrested and put in jail instead.
 
Latest update is that the Indian Gov has promoted Devyani to the United Nations mission thus granting her full Diplomatic Immunity. This is bigger 'middle-finger' by Indian Govt. so far ... (or ever) to the US.

Awaiting US reaction ..
 
Everyone seems to be talking about how she supposedly should have been treated but no one seems to be talking about how she supposedly treated her employees.

And now the government is accusing US of immigration fraud. Pretty strong response by the government. Didn't know they had that guts.

Election time.
 
The govt might take a stand now but the trickle down effect will only trouble us common Indians in the end. I think US might start causing more problems in issuing visas to students and IT professionals. Their ego wars will have no affect on them but God knows what levels US stoops down to just to prove their point.
 
^^India is the greatest country in the world. We shoved them in the ass, and also threatened those who do it literally too. What should Indians be worried about? US will now know never to take a hard stance against "law-abiding" Indians. Bharat mata ki...Jai Hind. Repeat.[DOUBLEPOST=1387385773][/DOUBLEPOST]
.. staying in her Manhattan apartment with food/lodge.
Yes, the exact logic was used for harbouring slaves. After all, better than third-world Africa right?
 
The govt might take a stand now but the trickle down effect will only trouble us common Indians in the end. I think US might start causing more problems in issuing visas to students and IT professionals. Their ego wars will have no affect on them but God knows what levels US stoops down to just to prove their point.
Indo-US Relations >>>>>>>>>>>> this affair

Both sides are going to milk it. The diplomat will get off. The practice with maids will get a review.

Life moves on.
 
.. staying in her Manhattan apartment with food/lodge.

Don't you think that reeks of bonded labor/slavery when the person is not being paid or paid a pittiance. I mean lets not pretend that this diplomat was devoid of any fault. Indians have been notorious for exploiting domestic help both in India and USA.

There is nothing right about this whole situation.

What this diplomat was doing was wrong.
How the NY Police handled the situation was wrong.
What Indian govt doing in retaliation purely as a revenge/blackmail/pressure building tactic is wrong.
 
If she deserved any form of immunity, she should get it. India needs to send a feeler to west (remember the Italian shooting case?) that we are not weaklings they thing we are. Or every country will take advantage of our decency. Now, see how they dealing with Russians:

Russian diplomats accused of $1.5m fraud in US – but immunity prevents arrests:
The accused and a number of unnamed co-conspirators gamed the system to the tune of $1.5m, say US law enforcement officials
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s--but-immunity-prevents-arrests-8989621.html
 
people talking about involvment in adarsh scam, how indian police treat indians & what not are missing the point :banghead: she may be guilty or may not thats not the cause of the (very appropriate) outrage. it's the way she was arrested & then strip search & cavity search. there should've been some courtesy extended in that respect. the same thing could've been dealt with more finesse but instead US showed their arrogance & went overboard. there have been reports that this was done on the behest of the NY DA Preet Bharara who's tagetting people from India to score political brownie points & this certainly seems to be the case.

do you really think that consulate staff from pakistan, SL, african countries etc are following the minimum wages requirement for their staff?

sometime back some raymond guy had murdered 2 people in pakistan but the US played the immunity card even though he also wasnt in the official position to enjoy the same (like they claim devyani isnt) & he also had similar restricted consular level immunity that didnt extend beyond consular duties but they got him off.

those talking about well she broke the law so it's fair. do you think US officers follow every law in the respective countries? do you think they abstain from liquor or premarital sex when on duty in middle east countries. what if Saudi arabia arrests one of them & beheads them in public, will the US parrot the same line of respect the law of the land then? & yes, i dont agree with sec 377 either but fact is that as of now it is illegal & india is fully within their rights to arrest them because they are breaking the law

& people are right when they say that they are acting late. india should've acted in the past for eg when ex-President Kalam was frisked. do you think that US would say nothing if Bill Clinton was accorded same treatment in india? there would be outrage. & joining them in that outrage would be some indian "coconuts"

it's bcoz we are perceived as "soft" state that we are repeatedly hit by outsiders who know we'll just write a few letters & there will be some apologists from within the country who will not allow action of any sort.

its sad that after centuries the trait that the british took advantage of (us not standing up for each other) is still present in us :mad:
 
^^Did you even read the entire story? It goes back a few months back. Here it goes:

- maid demanded that she be given a regular passport so she can legally apply for work outside
- she wasn't given her passport, so she threatened to exercise her rights and go to NYPD (what does that even mean? someone exercising their rights, especially a low class maid, huh..)
- feudal mindset of Indian elite notwithstanding, the maid's husband and her child living in India were arrested (on no charge)
- the maid was charged with blackmail, extortion and a whole host of other fake charges (in an Indian HC of course)
- the maid's lawyer helped her husband and child fly to US, and then filed a case against her employer
- NYPD acted how they would when arresting someone, with the same procedure they do for everyone else; note that she doesn't have diplomatic immunity, which allowed them to arrest her
- all hell breaks loose, as a daughter of an MP (dangerous combination), plus a heralded "champion" of women's rights and Dalits, gets arrested the same way any fraudster in America would (unheard of in India, where classism is rampant)
- drama ensues, and the main issue now becomes "protecting the dignity" of an Indian woman, and teaching the US a lesson
- now the Indian government is actually demanding that the maid be returned, so that she can be arrested, and justice be served (hey, we believe in Karma after all)

The NYPD did act brazenly, but that's about it. Everything else puts India in a bad light.

Oh, btw, it's not the trait that we don't stand with each other that allowed Britishers to take advantage of us, but the fact that they were technologically more advanced than us, and India at that time was made up of many kingdoms. People have this view that India exists from a long time as a single entity. It never was. Britishers actually helped Indians to unite for a single cause, i.e. Independence. It is keeping us huddled together for now at least.

Will the Indian govt. prosecute Ms. Khobragade for treating the maid the way she did? I don't think so. All their eyes are on protecting her, and not on taking the appropriate legal action.
 
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^ This whole drama going on is wrong but what the GOI doing is kind of last ditch effort to get some patriotic mileage out of the situation. Don't see any other major angle to it and I doubt if justice would be made to anybody. Bet such a hullabaloo would never have happened if elections were not around the corner.
 
^^Did you even read the entire story? It goes back a few months back. Here it goes:

- maid demanded that she be given a regular passport so she can legally apply for work outside
- she wasn't given her passport, so she threatened to exercise her rights and go to NYPD (what does that even mean? someone exercising their rights, especially a low class maid, huh..)
- feudal mindset of Indian elite notwithstanding, the maid's husband and her child living in India were arrested (on no charge)
- the maid was charged with blackmail, extortion and a whole host of other fake charges (in an Indian HC of course)
- the maid's lawyer helped her husband and child fly to US, and then filed a case against her employer
- NYPD acted how they would when arresting someone, with the same procedure they do for everyone else; note that she doesn't have diplomatic immunity, which allowed them to arrest her
- all hell breaks loose, as a daughter of an MP (dangerous combination), plus a heralded "champion" of women's rights and Dalits, gets arrested the same way any fraudster in America would (unheard of in India, where classism is rampant)
- drama ensues, and the main issue now becomes "protecting the dignity" of an Indian woman, and teaching the US a lesson
- now the Indian government is actually demanding that the maid be returned, so that she can be arrested, and justice be served (hey, we believe in Karma after all)
- At which point her employment was terminated.
- Maid got greedy and absconds.
- rediff is the only publication that i've found that says taken into custody. This does not mean arrested. it means the cops spoke to them. Fact that they're now in the US proves they were not arrested. I found it mighty curious that the diplomat was arrested only after the maid's family arrived in the US. I would see this as am employer-employee mindset. Feudal mindset is outrage over a mere servant getting a DCG abraod hauled in over a petty matter. Have Bolsheviks taken over NYC.
- yes, because thats exactly what she did. Breached her contract and breached her employers confidence.
- there was a distinct lack of tact in the way this affair was handled by the US. This was essentially a private matter in which the US should not have gotten involved in as public a manner as transpired.
- what did you expect when a GOI official gets treated in this manner
- we might not get the maid, she's a fugitive as far as India goes. But the diplomat and she is one now will return without serving any time

The NYPD did act brazenly, but that's about it. Everything else puts India in a bad light.
We did not have a choice. It's unfortunate that the PM has to comment on what amounts to a labour dispute.

Oh, btw, it's not the trait that we don't stand with each other that allowed Britishers to take advantage of us, but the fact that they were technologically more advanced than us, and India at that time was made up of many kingdoms. People have this view that India exists from a long time as a single entity. It never was. Britishers actually helped Indians to unite for a single cause, i.e. Independence. It is keeping us huddled together for now at least.
This is about Indians screwing Indians.

The Indian american who is trying to get famous in pushing this case. He pulled a similar stunt with the russians earlier. He needs to get fired.
The Indian maid who gets greedy after having earlier agreed to a very good salary to take the job.
The Indian diplomat who in paying her maid 5-6 times the going indian rate that too for a live-in is somehow seen as underpaying.

No domestic in NYC makes 55k annual. Why this figure was mentioned in the visa application for an A-3 is a mystery. 20k would be pushing it. Though technically lying on the application , i don't see it as big an issue as has been made. It's a formality.

Will the Indian govt. prosecute Ms. Khobragade for treating the maid the way she did? I don't think so. All their eyes are on protecting her, and not on taking the appropriate legal action.
Why would they ? what did she do wrong. She's a govt servant who gets posted around the world. She isn't going to give up her perks just because she happens to be in NYC.

See Neena Malhotra, we got her out, the US charged her with $1.5m fine. The maid got to stay on and never collected. And previously Piyush Dayal, that was settled privately. Both these instances were in NYC. We don't have prolems with other countries.

Can't help thinking this sort of nonsense would never have happened had the republicans been in charge. It's real simple. republicans = good for india. Democrats =lecturing.
 
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TECHNICALLY the maid breached her contract. So it was right of Devyani to sue her in India.
Many of us work for MNC and we know that we sign all kinds of contracts.... Like wise she did and she should have respected them or nullify them lawfully.
When many scholars and white collars find it difficult to get US visas how is that the maids' husband and child Who were barred by the Indian courts to travel abroad and their passports were impounded manage to get an US visa and even travelled to US overnite????
India is doing right by pinching USA's ears... and they should make their stand strong on this.
I say arrest all gay US diplomats ... that will be fun :D
 
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