Why is the availability of Intel Arc GPUs so terrible in India?

[The_King]

The 9060XT 8GB is NOT the best 1440p card for 30K, especially vs the 16 GB variant. 8 GB barely scrapes even 1080p in demanding games.

The 9060XT 8 GB vs the 16GB is anywhere between 7-280% slower in averages, and 4-280% in 1% lows (depending on the game). Most of the time, you will have stutters bad enough to make you want to quit the game. That's just how it is.

So yes, VRAM has more to do with performance, than most assume.

The B580 may get lower overall performance at 1440p, but it will be a MUCH smoother and more consistent experience.

This is a moot point. 4K, with these cards, even just for comparison's sake? Not really relevant. This is relative performance, not actual figures. At 4k with a 9060XT 8GB, you may get 5 fps (due to lack of VRAM). With the 4060Ti, you will get 5.5 fps (due to lack of power). That's your relative difference of 10%.

Those numbers in that video you posted seems way off it shows Stalker 2 @ 11 fps @1440p which is completely ridiculous!

Based on the video you posted I will stick with TPU aka Techpowerup for my review data numbers.

For 30K no other card in the Indian market can beat it even at 1440p. End of Story. Whether your game-play will be good or bad that is another story. lol

 

[PunkX 75]

Those numbers in that video you posted seems way off it shows stalker 2 @ 11 fps @1440p which is completely ridiculous!

It's not way off, and isn't "ridiculous!" Have you ever even tried playing Stalker 2 at 1440p with an 8 GB card?

For 30K no other card in the Indian market can beat it even at 1440p. End of Story. Whether your game-play will be good or bad that is another story. lol

You're CLEARLY not taking into account stutters and 1% lows. Only obsessed with averages.

People were also happy believing the Earth was flat. For them, it was also "end of of story". Doesn't make it true.

lol.

 

[The_King]

It's not way off, and isn't "ridiculous!" Have you ever even tried playing Stalker 2 at 1440p with an 8 GB card?

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I don't see the 9060 XT 8GB on those charts. TPU has been around alot longer than Hardware Unboxed and YT reviewers so for now I will still go
with their data numbers. Whether the OP plays Stalker 2 or Farm simulator this is also a "Moot point" as you say.

And once again read my whole post dont cherry pick things and say moot point, I recommend the 9060 XT 16GB over the 8GB version.
And said based on his budget the 9060 XT 8GB card shows the best performance numbers overall. Its up to the OP to decide what games he plays
he may never play Stalker 2 at all. So Moot point again...

 

[PunkX 75]

I don't see the 9060 XT 8GB on those charts. TPU has been around alot longer than Hardware Unboxed and YT reviewers so for now I will still go
with their data numbers. Whether the OP plays Stalker 2 or Farm simulator this is also a "Moot point" as you say.

And once again read my whole post dont cherry pick things and say moot point, I recommend the 9060 XT 16GB over the 8GB version.
And said based on his budget I that card shows the best performance numbers overall. Its up to the OP to decide what games he plays
he may never play Stalker 2 at all. So Moot point...

How does it matter if the 9060XT 8GB isn't on the chart, when an RX 6600 is BEATING a 5060 Ti 8 GB? This is where you're missing the finer points and nuances. I don't post things without logic.

I'm not cherry-picking anything. I will once again state that your obsession over "performance numbers" befitting this criteria is ONLY focusing on averages, not taking into account 1% lows, RAM swapping, and microsutters.

Also, my statement of a "moot point" wasn't about cherry picking. It was in response to you using 4K as a performance point for comparing relative performance, which I addressed with logic. I suggest you go back and read that point. It's post #18, if you need help.

8 GB cards, even if it's a 4090 8GB are crap for 1440p. That's just how it is, no matter the price point.


Either way, with all information presented from every party, let the buyer decide how they would want to go about it. To each their own.

 

[The_King]

How does it matter if the 9060XT 8GB isn't on the chart, when an RX 6600 is BEATING a 5060 Ti 8 GB? This is where you're missing the finer points and nuances. I don't post things without logic.

I'm not cherry-picking anything. I will once again state that your obsession over "performance numbers" befitting this criteria is ONLY focusing on averages, not taking into account 1% lows, RAM swapping, and microsutters.

8 GB cards, even if it's a 4090 8GB are crap for 1440p. That's just how it is, no matter the price point.


Either way, with all information presented from every party, let the buyer decide how they would want to go about it. To each their own.

Please recommend a "New GPU" in the current market the will outperform the 9060 XT 8GB @ +/-30K @ 1440p overall.

Not just 1% low but in AVG fps as well? Since 1% lows don't make much difference when you cant push a decent AVG fps in most games.

 

[bssunilreddy]

Please recommend a "New GPU" in the current market the will outperform the 9060 XT 8GB @ +/-30K @ 1440p overall.

Not just 1% low but in AVG fps as well? Since 1% lows don't make much difference when you cant push a decent AVG fps in most games.

I played both Stalker 2 and Indiana Jones and the great circle with a lot of stutters and performance went below 30fps sometimes on my RX6600XT 8GB with 5600X on 1440p monitor.
Until now didn't try the same games with above GPU but with AM5 setup.
Am afraid that it will still stutter so waiting to save up monies for a better GPU.
Thought of going with B580 for my 1440p monitor but still it's showing below 30fps so want anything 60fps or 55fps at least on my 1440p monitor.

 

[PunkX 75]

I played both Stalker 2 and Indiana Jones and the great circle with a lot of stutters and performance went below 30fps sometimes on my RX6600XT 8GB with 5600X on 1440p monitor.
Until now didn't try the same games with above GPU but with AM5 setup.
Am afraid that it will still stutter so waiting to save up monies for a better GPU.
Thought of going with B580 for my 1440p monitor but still it's showing below 30fps so want anything 60fps or 55fps at least on my 1440p monitor.

As @Tracer_Bullet suggested, saving up is the best option. Buying garbage 8 GB cards for 30K in the name of savings will only hurt you.

 

[bssunilreddy]

As @Tracer_Bullet suggested, saving up is the best option. Buying garbage 8 GB cards for 30K in the name of savings will only hurt you.

I was seeing RTX5060 Ti 16GB cards but they are priced upwards to 53k starting with the cheapest ones.
Cheapest RX9060XT 16GBs are starting from 37k
Is this price difference justifiable for those features like DLSS 4 and RT?
Even both cards are priced just 5k less in Canada also. So no point in getting from there since I will loose warranty there. Only option for me is to save up and buy the 16GB cards I think for 1440p resolution.

 

[PunkX 75]

I was seeing RTX5060 Ti 16GB cards but they are priced upwards to 53k starting with the cheapest ones.
Cheapest RX9060XT 16GBs are starting from 37k
Is this price difference justifiable for those features like DLSS 4 and RT?
Even both cards are priced just 5k less in Canada also. So no point in getting from there since I will loose warranty there. Only option for me is to save up and buy the 16GB cards I think for 1440p resolution.

RT in any meaningful way (other than mandatory RT implementation in specific games) is generally not viable for this class of cards at 1440p. With RT, the 9060XT 16GB is roughly 20% slower than the 5060Ti 16GB, at 1080p.

DLSS4 is great, but so is DLSS 3.5, which FSR4 matches roughly, and is a good step up from FSR3

 

[Mohan997]

Please recommend a "New GPU" in the current market the will outperform the 9060 XT 8GB @ +/-30K @ 1440p overall.

Here's the thing, man. No one is denying that the card is powerful. The only problem is VRAM.

I don't think those two benchmarks are the same. It says TPU custom scene, on top. Maybe they didn't max out the settings like Hardware Unboxed, but if you don't trust them, check out tom's Hardware benchmark.

The reason why lower VRAM cards struggle is that when you max out the graphics settings in a game, the amount of data processed is a lot more. Especially at higher resolutions. When that happens, your card would offload them to your computer's RAM.
This is really bad with older motherboards, when you have older gen PCIe lane slots. The number of times and the speed at which data is transferred back and forth to the computer's RAM would affect your game's performance. Not by a huge amount, but a very noticeable amount. This generates stutters, does not load textures or shadows properly, and hence, a less stable output overall. That's what 1% actually means.

And all these benchmarks are pure raster performance. The minute you turn ray tracing on, your FPS would plummet, because now you need more memory to store more stuff. And it's the same case for DLSS or FSR, they too need enough memory to upscale or render extra frames. And this is the situation, now. I honestly think when GTA VI comes to PC, Rockstar devs will say 8 GB VRAM is the minimum requirement with low settings.

If you're buying a new card, you might as well spend 5k more and get extra VRAM.

 

[PunkX 75]

The reason why lower VRAM cards struggle is that when you max out the graphics settings in a game, the amount of data processed is a lot more. Especially at higher resolutions. When that happens, your card would offload them to your computer's RAM.
This is really bad with older motherboards, when you have older gen PCIe lane slots. The number of times and the speed at which data is transferred back and forth to the computer's RAM would affect your game's performance. Not by a huge amount, but a very noticeable amount. This generates stutters, does not load textures or shadows properly, and hence, a less stable output overall. That's what 1% actually means.

Precisely my point. RAM swapping will be a pain in the ass with 8 GB cards at 1440p

GDDR spec vs system RAM are poles apart in terms of latency. Hence, the abysmal performance when you run out of VRAM.

This is why Nvidia faced a lawsuit over the GTX 970 10 years ago. It was marketed as a 4 GB card, but only 3.5 GB was GDDR spec.

 

[altair21]

its simple if budget allows, get the 16gb version otherwise make do with 8, 3060 ti is showing its age quite heavily now, and textures can always be downgraded, will the visual quality take a hit? for sure, will it be noticeable enough? dont think so, also do you have the luxury to think about it? no, either increase budget or make do with a 8gb card.

And from personal experience, you'll definitely experience bottlenecks with a 8gb card, but for 1440p gaming it still suffices quite easily

 

[The_King]

Here's the thing, man. No one is denying that the card is powerful. The only problem is VRAM.

I don't think those two benchmarks are the same. It says TPU custom scene, on top. Maybe they didn't max out the settings like Hardware Unboxed, but if you don't trust them, check out tom's Hardware benchmark.
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The reason why lower VRAM cards struggle is that when you max out the graphics settings in a game, the amount of data processed is a lot more. Especially at higher resolutions. When that happens, your card would offload them to your computer's RAM.
This is really bad with older motherboards, when you have older gen PCIe lane slots. The number of times and the speed at which data is transferred back and forth to the computer's RAM would affect your game's performance. Not by a huge amount, but a very noticeable amount. This generates stutters, does not load textures or shadows properly, and hence, a less stable output overall. That's what 1% actually means.

And all these benchmarks are pure raster performance. The minute you turn ray tracing on, your FPS would plummet, because now you need more memory to store more stuff. And it's the same case for DLSS or FSR, they too need enough memory to upscale or render extra frames. And this is the situation, now. I honestly think when GTA VI comes to PC, Rockstar devs will say 8 GB VRAM is the minimum requirement with low settings.

If you're buying a new card, you might as well spend 5k more and get extra VRAM.

According to these results the only GPU capable of 1440p gaming in Stalker 2 are the 5070 and 9070 and they both don't even get good 1% lows

Forget about 1440p gaming in 2025.

I 100% agree about the VRAM but only if the GPU has enough power to make use of the extra VRAM.

In-fact in my above posts I did recommend the 16GB version over the 8GB version and said that compared the 4060 Ti 16GB (47K) the 9060 XT 16GB (37K) is a bargain.
The chart you posted shows that too.

 

[PunkX 75]

Upgrading to a decent card in 2025 has become quite the adventure, for sure.

 

[altair21]

Upgrading to a decent card in 2025 has become quite the adventure, for sure.

if you can find a trustworthy seller, 2nd hand cards have never made more sense than now

 

[bssunilreddy]

its simple if budget allows, get the 16gb version otherwise make do with 8, 3060 ti is showing its age quite heavily now, and textures can always be downgraded, will the visual quality take a hit? for sure, will it be noticeable enough? dont think so, also do you have the luxury to think about it? no, either increase budget or make do with a 8gb card.

And from personal experience, you'll definitely experience bottlenecks with a 8gb card, but for 1440p gaming it still suffices quite easily

Is RTX 3070 8GB enough for 1440p gaming in 2025?
For how much one can get a 2nd hand card now?
RTX 3080 10GB & 3080 Ti 12GB cards are priced at 25k & 32k respectively in OLX.
So when investing 25k or 32k means if we can add another 12k or 5k we can buy 9060 16GB. That's why I am still in dilemma.
And RTX 3080 or 3080 Ti cards available all are out of warranty cards and if anything goes wrong then I am ****ed.

 

[PunkX 75]

Is RTX 3070 8GB enough for 1440p gaming in 2025?
For how much one can get a 2nd hand card now?
RTX 3080 10GB & 3080 Ti 12GB cards are priced at 25k & 32k respectively in OLX.
So when investing 25k or 32k means if we can add another 12k or 5k we can buy 9060 16GB. That's why I am still in dilemma.
And RTX 3080 or 3080 Ti cards available all are out of warranty cards and if anything goes wrong then I am ****ed.

RTX 3070 - Raw power, yes. VRAM, you will struggle. @OMEGA44-XT will be able to chip in. He had a 3070.

I have a 3080, and it's still a beast in raw ass performance. However:

1. I game at 1440p, and I'm already at the cusp of the 10 GB buffer in almost every modern title.
2. It's extremely power hungry
3. 5 years into its life cycle, finding one with a decent warranty term will be quite rare

The 9060 XT has more VRAM than a 3080, and will do decently well at 1440p, but a 3080 is also 32% faster in raster. RT is a different story.

Your best bet is to get a 9060XT 16 GB, or save up for a 9070.

 

[Tracer_Bullet]

4090 8GB are crap for 1440p

lol, dont give nvidia ideas

Is this price difference justifiable for those features like DLSS 4 and RT?

imo, no. RT definitely not for these cards.
DLSS, unclear, FSR4 seems to be very good and better than DLSS3 but not 4. Also since they moved hardware to AI upscaling, any future improvements in FSR you should get.
Thats why i wouldnt bother with older amd series.

If i had to choose, i would take either 9060xt 16gb or 9070xt in current market in India.
See this - It has Price per frame for indian prices. Ideally we want high frames and then good price
9060xt and 9070xt are clearly best options. 5070 is ok too but with less vram.
9070 ( not xt ) is badly priced, atleast primeabgb cheapest option that he saw.

1. 5 years into its life cycle, finding one with a decent warranty term will be quite rare

Yes, this is a problem. There was probably a sweet spot few years back for 30 series which also had oversupply. But now most of these will be old and out of warranty.
But not all. Mine is less than 3y old and has 2+ years of warranty left for example.

I would stick with current gpu and save for 9070xt 16gb / 9070xt.
2nd hand market has its own risks, except if seller is known to be good and card is in good condition, not rusted for instance ( they might reject warranty for this) and in warranty.

 

[altair21]

Is RTX 3070 8GB enough for 1440p gaming in 2025?

depends on your expectations, everything maxed? no, textures on high. rt on high? yes

For how much one can get a 2nd hand card now?
RTX 3080 10GB & 3080 Ti 12GB cards are priced at 25k & 32k respectively in OLX.

no idea about pricing

So when investing 25k or 32k means if we can add another 12k or 5k we can buy 9060 16GB. That's why I am still in dilemma.

35k is enough for a 9060xt

And RTX 3080 or 3080 Ti cards available all are out of warranty cards and if anything goes wrong then I am ****ed.

yep, and I wont recommend anything below 3090 if you are really going for a second hand card

 

[Dhanush]

Has anyone tried the LSFG? It looks great compared to FRS and DLSS. It's possible that 8gig GPU can produce 60+ FPS on 1440p high. Guys, please share your thoughts and experiences on this.