Air India Ahmedabad-London flight Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner crashes near airport in Ahmedabad

[solo_wing]

you haven't ever seen ntsb with their investigation practices right? thee are the same people who leaked their report because the Egyptian government wanted to save their own image.

go read up about that, NTSB folks do not **** around with politics, it's much more likely for Indian government to suppress the report to save Air India's image

Yeh bhi sahi hai.
Hamare yeha bhi golmaal hai sab.

 

[Black_Hawk]

If we are going to rely on them to extract data then it means we will be at their mercy for fair investigation.

No other option really. Let them just analyze it and hopefully the results come out soon. So many theories about how the aircraft met it's doom are floating around now so we need some level of clarity.

Huge discussion going on Airliners (dot)net forum as well and PPrune(dot)org. Mods closed the thread on PPrune because it was leading to many guesswork theories. Airliners forum discussion is still on and quite insightful.

 

[Neotheone]

Rising incidence of flights returning in the days after the crash is a very strong signal that security measures were being ignored amid breakneck growth in recent years.

 

[PunkX 75]

Rising incidence of flights returning in the days after the crash is a very strong signal that security measures were being ignored amid breakneck growth in recent years.

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I read that Boeing had manufactured 11 787s that had safety and structural issues and were flagged by their internal safety auditor. Management told her, "Don't worry, none of these planes will be used in the United States." 6 of those 11 were sold to Air India, including the one that crashed. Apparently DGCA knew something was amiss, but never raised any alarm then.

https://thewire.in/rights/air-india-boeing-dreamliner-defects-quality-concerns

"Cynthia Kitchens, a former quality manager who worked at the Charleston plant between 2009 and 2016, has a binder full of notes, documents and photos from her frustrating years at Boeing, one page of which lists the numbers of the eleven planes delivered between early 2012 and late 2013 whose quality defects most kept her awake at night. Six of them went to Air India, whose purchases were bolstered by billions of dollars in Export-Import Bank loan guarantees. The plane that crashed was delivered in January 2014 from Boeing’s now-defunct assembly line in Everett, Washington, though its mid- and aft- fuselages were produced in Charleston."

 

[TEUser2K1]

Apparently DGCA knew something was amiss, but never raised any alarm then.

Whistleblower Crew Allege Cover-up in 2024 Dreamliner Door Glitch, Seek Prime Minister’s Intervention - Thar Tribune

Two former Air India flight attendants have approached Prime Minister Narendra Modi, alleging that they were terminated after refusing to alter their

thartribune.com

“We were threatened with termination for telling the truth,” their letter stated. The attendants, both of whom have served Air India for over 20 years, claim the airline and the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) suppressed the incident and failed to launch a formal investigation.

One of the Dreamliners That Gave a Boeing Manager Nightmares Just Crashed

Whistleblowers always warned that passengers would pay a price for Boeing’s tyrannical corner-cutting, especially with the planes shipped overseas.

prospect.org

 

[PunkX 75]

 

[DigitalDude]

Ah he returned to his usual programming with this issue. Less of him please.

 

[t3chg33k]

you haven't ever seen ntsb with their investigation practices right? thee are the same people who leaked their report because the Egyptian government wanted to save their own image.

go read up about that, NTSB folks do not **** around with politics, it's much more likely for Indian government to suppress the report to save Air India's image

It was the French BEA, not NTSB. And they published their report independently, not leaked it, because the Egyptian government gained more from the propaganda of it being a terrorist attack and not having to admit their pilot smoking in the cockpit against the rules.

But in general, the general lack of understanding of how all these investigation agencies have made air travel safer over the years is astounding. People just find it easier to accept conspiracy theories because a logical explanation, that will also be in the current investigation report, is too simple.

 

[altair21]

It was the French BEA, not NTSB. And they published their report independently, not leaked it, because the Egyptian government gained more from the propaganda of it being a terrorist attack and not having to admit their pilot smoking in the cockpit against the rules.

But in general, the general lack of understanding of how all these investigation agencies have made air travel safer over the years is astounding. People just find it easier to accept conspiracy theories because a logical explanation, that will also be in the current investigation report, is too simple.

ah yea you are right if was the BEA,

 

[t3chg33k]

ah yea you are right if was the BEA,

Yeah, but your point was also valid that governments can block final reports from being officially published as was the case with the Egyptian government then.

Think they finally published their report last year after 8 years and maintained the terrorist angle but were forced to add the French report as an appendix.

This gives more credibility to reports coming out from NTSB and BEA than government bodies.