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Why Trump is showering himself with praises for our peace deal which happened because of our and pakistan intervention? I am not able to grasp.
Same way Modi was proclaiming about stopping Ukraine and Russian war ? Trump is playing out a role from Modi's disinformation play book ?
I doubt it. Pakistan has condemned Israel's attack on Iran and called for Muslim world to unit and support Iran.
if they do this U turn tab toh they will loose some small percentage of support from Kashmiris too.

I think he would have called Aseem Munir to just stay low as they hit Iran and that incase of any situation in border area arises like refugee and all . Just handle it.
Nope . Pakis are dead against Iran . Pakis in general have no credibility in the Middle east . Most of them are persons non-grata unofficially and most ME countries shadow ban Pakis , Bangladeshis .
 
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if they do this U turn tab toh they will loose some small percentage of support from Kashmiris too.
Pak don't work on principles, they make grand statements and then do meek things. Like that rumor about Munir's watch gift to Iran military lead, etc. Lot of what they do is not in public know.
Same way Modi was proclaiming about stopping Ukraine and Russian war ?
Modi indeed arranged something similar in RU-UA war, people from both side of political-scape contorted that which ended up badly.

Leaders of these countries don't have capability or capacity to achieve the above.
Still these same people may go to their respective places and those countries may act thankless later. Part of doing good deeds for neighboring countries, as usual with India.
 
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Modi indeed arranged something similar in RU-UA war, people from both side of political-scape contorted that which ended up badly.

Leaders of these countries don't have capability or capacity to achieve the above.
Still these same people may go to their respective places and those countries may act thankless later. Part of doing good deeds for neighboring countries, as usual with India.
There are established rules , protocols for civilian evacuations , prisoners surrender etc during a conflict . Those rules are there from the times of Ramayana and Mahabarata .
There is nothing new in Modi arranging evacuation of civilians , it is something standard and has been done in other conflicts before . Notably Iraq war in the Middle east where Indians were evacuated . The first time money was collected for evacuation was by Modi . The govt collected double the money for a flight ticket during Covid evacuation . Citizens in distress were rescued for free which turned into a business with the Modi govt .

Beating the chest for a normal diplomatic procedure was Modi's fault . his propaganda about stopping the RU-UKR war was simply absurd and went way beyond anything normal . Since it was propaganda within India , Modi could control the narrative and fool a majority of the Indians .
With Trump who controls the media (offline as well as online ) worldwide , now Modi is as potent as the ladyboy for trump .
For the first time , Modi is unable to do control the narrative using his IT cell . He has no other option but to bend and wait until Trump get tired .
 
I doubt it. Pakistan has condemned Israel's attack on Iran and called for Muslim world to unit and support Iran.
if they do this U turn tab toh they will loose some small percentage of support from Kashmiris too.
Pakistan is in no position to refuse.

Whether they like it or not Pakistan will end up helping Israel.
Well, it is more than a month now . Credibility is lost because Modi , Foreign affairs are too late to the party .
That's how long it took to get face to face. It's not too late.
Why Trump is showering himself with praises for our peace deal which happened because of our and pakistan intervention? I am not able to grasp.
Americans do piece meal effort and claim credit. In Trump's case it's on another level.

He's a salesman
 
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Pakistan is in no position to refuse.

Whether they like it or not Pakistan will end up helping Israel.

That's how long it took to get face to face. It's not too late.

Americans do piece meal effort and claim credit. In Trump's case it's on another level.

He's a salesman
Salesman quote is quite hilarious. Trump is a businessman so he is trying to sell real estate everywhere and anywhere.:D
 
There is nothing new in Modi arranging evacuation of civilians , it is something standard and has been done in other conflicts before .
Except that other countries are not able to handle their concerns the way India does. The much purported standards and procedures apply to them too, but they had to depend on India. As for doing it for free, somebody have to bear the cost, it's just transparent now.
s propaganda about stopping the RU-UKR war was simply absurd and went way beyond anything normal .
He didn't stop the RU-UA 'war', he negotiated a lull so that he can evacuate Indian & other citizens which is what matters on common man. The politics and melodrama is what you and me should not be concerned about all.
With Trump who controls the media (offline as well as online ) worldwide...
Trump invited Modi to white house when Munir was being catered to there, Modi rejected the invite which is a serious middle finger to Trump. Imagine what kind of pressures Munir might be facing within those close door alone. As blr_p said, he have no other way than to oblige to party with supporting Israel and he will do that without resistance. Don't want to explain the way you explained it, you can figure it yourself.
As for Trump controlling media, you have to be dreaming, his international image is that of a miserable clown. Now whatever he does, it will be difficult to clear his image in international politics.

Moreover, there are hardships for USA on economic front which will come and hit them on the back in medium to long term, it will be fun then, even otherwise public disobedience and strife is happening.

Day After Nominating Trump For Nobel Peace Prize, Pak Condemns US' Iran Bombing
Pakistan's reaction came after US President Donald Trump announced that the American forces had attacked three key Iranian nuclear facilities.
Is there a prize for backstabbers, lolz.
 
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Except that other countries are not able to handle their concerns the way India does. The much purported standards and procedures apply to them too, but they had to depend on India. As for doing it for free, somebody have to bear the cost, it's just transparent now.

He didn't stop the RU-UA 'war', he negotiated a lull so that he can evacuate Indian & other citizens which is what matters on common man. The politics and melodrama is what you and me should not be concerned about all.

Trump invited Modi to white house when Munir was being catered to there, Modi rejected the invite which is a serious middle finger to Trump. Imagine what kind of pressures Munir might be facing within those close door alone. As blr_p said, he have no other way than to oblige to party with supporting Israel and he will do that without resistance. Don't want to explain the way you explained it, you can figure it yourself.
As for Trump controlling media, you have to be dreaming, his international image is that of a miserable clown. Now whatever he does, it will be difficult to clear his image in international politics.

Moreover, there are hardships for USA on economic front which will come and hit them on the back in medium to long term, it will be fun then, even otherwise public disobedience and strife is happening.

Day After Nominating Trump For Nobel Peace Prize, Pak Condemns US' Iran Bombing
Pakistan's reaction came after US President Donald Trump announced that the American forces had attacked three key Iranian nuclear facilities.
Is there a prize for backstabbers, lolz.
Citizens overseas who are in distress are evacuated free of charge . That is the job of the govt and the costs have to be borne by the govt . When Iraq war started India evacuated citizens from not just Iraq but neighboring countries which were expecting cross fire . None of them were charged and that is reasonable because when they were working they did send precious dollars and paid taxes . If free treatment , ambulances can be provided for people in India why not for expatriates who risk their lives , families and send in money ?
Smaller countries do not have such departments and units , flights to rescue and they depend on India . Nothing wrong in such gestures . If that is wrong then sending vaccines , relief materials to countries is also wrong .

The lull that you are talking about happens in every war , just that IT cell blew it out of proportion and made it look like Modi had the commanding power to stop a war until he can take a leak .
 
Citizens overseas who are in distress are evacuated free of charge
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Smaller countries do not have such departments and units , flights to rescue and they depend on India .
It costs a lot, there is no requirement that such services have to be free. Is a privilege provided by the country if we can afford to, others can't, that is the difference. All the while you are discrediting such a life saving service, you should remember that it is not just cost, but is a dangerous task involving logistics and diplomacy.
If free treatment , ambulances can be provided for people in India why not for expatriates who risk their lives , families and send in money ?
If you want free service, you will get (in)famous govt. hospital ambulance like service, not international evacuation in massive airplane from war torn area. People are making money for their family, not to improve Indian govt. and NRIs don't pay taxes, so a bit of thanks-fullness will be fine. Indians are trying their best to leave the country too, should not forget that.

Already said that politicians from both the sides propagandized the facility provided for their own benefit, you too are just trying to do the same without actually admitting what needs to be done is done. Just because evacuations were done earlier does not mean you have to discredit current actions (currently that part cannot organize themselves to stand up on own feet).
 
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arey bhai woh Modi se hardcore nafrat karta hai. He will not appreciate anything.
Modi ka naam sune ke usko gusa ata hai.

It's okay...he has full right to express also.

Just if that criticism was more constructive it would have been better.
 
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It costs a lot, there is no requirement that such services have to be free. Is a privilege provided by the country if we can afford to, others can't, that is the difference. All the while you are discrediting such a life saving service, you should remember that it is not just cost, but is a dangerous task involving logistics and diplomacy.

If you want free service, you will get (in)famous govt. hospital ambulance like service, not international evacuation in massive airplane from war torn area. People are making money for their family, not to improve Indian govt. and NRIs don't pay taxes, so a bit of thanks-fullness will be fine. Indians are trying their best to leave the country too, should not forget that.

Already said that politicians from both the sides propagandized the facility provided for their own benefit, you too are just trying to do the same without actually admitting what needs to be done is done. Just because evacuations were done earlier does not mean you have to discredit current actions (currently that part cannot organize themselves to stand up on own feet).
We are not debating about cost vs lives . We are debating our capability of getting back stranded Indians in a war torn zone ,especially when they have to abandon everything to save their lives .
Your assumption that people will have the necessary funds to pay double the cost of a flight ticket when stranded is simply beyond my understanding . May be what you are missing is that there are a lot of students , labourers and low level supervisor jobs which a majority of the people are employed as .
While expatriates send in few dollars on an individual capacity , you need to know that the remittance from overseas to India by those working abroad is around 130 billion USD . Without those 130 billions your dollars vs INR would shoot up . While the remittances are tax free Indian banks earn commission , exchange rate margins and of course the beneficiary will spend on material things which would be taxed .
So people in India also need to have some gratitude towards those NRI who take risks and go and find jobs in other countries . Indians are trying to leave the countries but it is the higher net worth which mostly leave . The lower net worth individuals leave for better incomes so that their families back in India are comfortable .
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arey bhai woh Modi se hardcore nafrat karta hai. He will not appreciate anything.
Modi ka naam sune ke usko gusa ata hai.

It's okay...he has full right to express also.

Just if that criticism was more constructive it would have been better.
On a personal level I do not have anything against Modi . May be because I travel outside India quite frequently and have been so for a long time , I can see how India is perceived today vs how India was before 2014 . I have written specifically to Foreign ministry on the growing influence of China in African countries , spoken on various Indian expatriate group meetings . An example - China gives a loan to an African country to secure a railway contract or a road contract . Once contract is done , China brings in the labourers/engineers from China . At 6 in the morning one can see Chinese building roads and railways using their govt owned companies like China construction etc . In the last 10 years China has been concentrating on improving soft power . They have a dedicated CGTN news channel , chinese films dubbed into African languages like Yoruba , Hausa etc .
On the other hand the Indian diplomats invite us for diwali celebrations and give us a ladoo . No one is listening or bothered .
 
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We are not debating about cost vs lives . We are debating our capability of getting back stranded Indians in a war torn zone ,especially when they have to abandon everything to save their lives .
Wow...! That's a sudden shift of sentiments, cool....!!!
I didn't focus on cost or money collected, you posted about that first, I addressed by saying it indeed costs money which is accounted now.
If they are exploiting the situation, that's a different matter too.
As for NRIs sending money putting their life at risk, they are not doing it for the country, rather to benefit themselves. Country benefiting is a side effect. Highly educated people who utilized country's infra and benefits always on the edge and trying all the means to escape the country is because of better lifestyle, not due to patriotism. In part, country suffers from brain drain too from that.

As far as China, etc., it's global effect, not just India alone. Totally different topic altogether. Anyways...
 
On a personal level I do not have anything against Modi . May be because I travel outside India quite frequently and have been so for a long time , I can see how India is perceived today vs how India was before 2014 .
Foreign Media is very biased after Modi has come to power and making it look like Hindu Nationalist in power and Muslims being oppressed and all.

To some extent this true but it is still way exaggerated imho.

I have many Muslim friends who have done extremely well in their life.
Infact better than some of my Hindu friends.( Personally I am happy for them too . )

So how they perceive should be taken at face value. They have their own agenda.

I have written specifically to Foreign ministry on the growing influence of China in African countries , spoken on various Indian expatriate group meetings . An example - China gives a loan to an African country to secure a railway contract or a road contract . Once contract is done , China brings in the labourers/engineers from China . At 6 in the morning one can see Chinese building roads and railways using their govt owned companies like China construction etc . In the last 10 years China has been concentrating on improving soft power . They have a dedicated CGTN news channel , chinese films dubbed into African languages like Yoruba , Hausa etc .
On the other hand the Indian diplomats invite us for diwali celebrations and give us a ladoo . No one is listening or bothered .
Intersting.

(On a side note...don't mind my jokes. I mean no disrespect. Just try to be funny most of the time.)
 
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China's overtures in African continent and reports about those are decades old, lol.
There were articles about how China made leaders of countries like DR Congo(?), etc. sign comically controversial deals like CN will mine all resources and in exchange will build infrastructure for the country in return.
 
Wow...! That's a sudden shift of sentiments, cool....!!!
I didn't focus on cost or money collected, you posted about that first, I addressed by saying it indeed costs money which is accounted now.
If they are exploiting the situation, that's a different matter too.
As for NRIs sending money putting their life at risk, they are not doing it for the country, rather to benefit themselves. Country benefiting is a side effect. Highly educated people who utilized country's infra and benefits always on the edge and trying all the means to escape the country is because of better lifestyle, not due to patriotism. In part, country suffers from brain drain too from that.

As far as China, etc., it's global effect, not just India alone. Totally different topic altogether. Anyways...
Let us assume for a second NRIs send money for their own benefit and not for the country . In the same sense people working in India also work for themselves . why provide free health care and rations , transport , jobs ?
Obviously when the govt charges double the cost of a ticket on a commercial airliner at a normal time , it is exploitation and that is what I am pointing out as well .
Did you know the govt collects 50 lakhs as deposit from overseas employment agencies/recruiting agents in India ?
China's overtures in African continent and reports about those are decades old, lol.
There were articles about how China made leaders of countries like DR Congo(?), etc. sign comically controversial deals like CN will mine all resources and in exchange will build infrastructure for the country in return.
Yes , but Indians had more respect which is now waning . No meaningful dialogues , representations are all harming us as a nation .
 
Let us assume for a second NRIs send money for their own benefit and not for the country . In the same sense people working in India also work for themselves . why provide free health care and rations , transport , jobs ?
Because resident Indians pay taxes to Indian govt. comparatively in higher rates. Most NRIs utilized facilities in India and left the country for their own ventures. Not blaming anyone, just responding to your question; neither wishing Indian taxes on any btw.
Did you know the govt collects 50 lakhs as deposit from overseas employment agencies/recruiting agents in India ?
They make millions in profit, so license and taxes are obviously inevitable.
Yes , but Indians had more respect which is now waning . No meaningful dialogues , representations are all harming us as a nation .
Because unlike earlier, the cross section and quality of people migrating from India changed drastically. With the kind of antics they show in Canada, etc. who will respect them ? Moreover there is a factor of jealousy against Indians too, Indians generally are better educated, get paid more, behaves decent. Unlike migrants from other places who are generalized for obvious causes.
Only dominating cultures and powers are respected, soft powers will be utilized and thrown away.

btw, would like to keep the topic of OP thread as priority.
 
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