Current Affairs Israel attacks Iran.
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Well, I did search but I am unable to find it . To give you a background on the test , it seems glass is harder than the metal or missile . They test the missile firing at a huge block of glass wall .. Probably a meter in width . The missile barely penetrates and gets stopped . May be there is other material regarding the testing process . Will update the video if I do get it .
As expected. Also:
"The image doesn't offer conclusive evidence that the attack breached the underground site, buried 40 meters under ground and reinforced with an 8-meter think concrete and steel shell."
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Quasar
Dumb take #9
Each GBU-57 carries six tons of high explosive. They dropped eight of them on Fordo. Do the math.They also show that a large support building on the Fordow site, which operators may use to control ventilation for the underground enrichment halls, remained undamaged. There were no radiation releases from the site, the IAEA reported.
Trump Says Iran Nuclear Sites "Obliterated". Satellite Pics Raise Questions
Trump's decision to order US forces to attack three key Iranian nuclear installations may have sabotaged the Islamic Republic's known atomic capabilities, but it's also created a monumental new challenge to work out what's left and where.www.ndtv.com
New pictures of Natanz show a new crater about 5.5 meters (18 feet) in diameter. Maxar said in a statement that the new hole was visible in the dirt directly over a part of the underground enrichment facility. The image doesn't offer conclusive evidence that the attack breached the underground site, buried 40 meters under ground and reinforced with an 8-meter think concrete and steel shell.
Centrifuge are delicate instruments. They don't handle shocks very well. Fordo in its present capacity is DONE!
I've alreay pointed out it's not going to be easy to just get back and start over.A senior Iranian source told Reuters on Sunday most of the near weapons-grade 60% highly enriched uranium had been moved to an undisclosed location before the U.S. attack.
Report Flags "Unusual Activity" In Satellite Pics Of Iran Nuclear Site
Commercial satellite imagery indicates the US attack on Iran's Fordow nuclear plant severely damaged - and possibly destroyed - the deeply-buried site and the uranium-enriching centrifuges it housed, but there was no confirmation.
"My big fear right now is that they take this entire program underground, not physically underground, but under the radar," he told NBC News. "Where we tried to stop it, there is a possibility that this could accelerate it."
"The world is going to be in the dark about what Iran may be doing," said Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association advocacy group.
What does he mean by 'take the entire program underground'?
Fordo was underground for what reason then?
Top Putin aide here is Medvedev talking out of his ASS.And this is the end result ?
Many Nations Ready To Supply Iran With Their Nuclear Warheads: Top Putin Aide
Iran Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi will reportedly meet Russian President Vladimir Putin tomorrow, amid escalating tensions in the Middle East.
No nuclear country ever 'gives' another a nuke. Get that straight.
They might base them wherever but that is not giving as release authority always remains with the nuke power.
So the question then becomes why would Russia, presumably, want to base any nukes in Iran. What is the need?
When they wouldn't do anything to help Iran in this regard anyway. Putin recently clarified that their agreement was for 'strategic partner' and did not mean a defense treaty.
So unless there is a defense treaty in place there is no question of basing nukes there.
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Reports out there that Iran moved nuclear materials out of the Fordo base just before attack.
A country like Iran in dire situation definitely will have secret fall back mechanisms, already being discussed by those involved around.
So, GBU-57 effort will only matter so much.
Iran don't need several hundreds of nuclear bombs, not even fully working ones - crude dirty bombs will do. They only need credible deterrent to put Israel in weaker, negotiating position.
Other secret facilities, there are materials which are unaccounted for.
Means even-though they may face delay, will not be totally down.
Allegedly not one, but more. Don't know what is in the store, don't want to hard guess on world events these days. Anything is possible.
psyph3r
Juggernaut
Compared to what ? your posts about someone's opinions of someone else's opinions based on some confirmation bias echo chambers you hang around ?
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Quasar
Be that as it is. What can they do with 60% enriched UF6 ?
Store it away until they can refine it further. That requires centrifuges which they don't have and won't have for a few more years.
Regime change is on the cards but it will take time. Think of it as assisted regime change with Israel doing most of the work because on their own the people can't do anything. After a few years or maybe sooner things may be very different.
i don't think Iran have weapons grade uranium because the IAEA inspectors are there and monitor things at the gram level. They would have picked up if several kgs went missing.
It's a speculation. One way to know is if Iran announces a nuclear test in the following months. But that would invite more trouble for them. It also assumes they have stored away enough enriched uranium for a few bombs. But again the IAEA inspectors would catch this because it's their job. If stiff goes missing, an alarm wouldbe dounded and Iran would find itself in hot water. No such thing happene.
A dirty bomb is not a credible deterrent and not so bad even if it were to go off in say Tel Aviv. There is an Israeli assessment somewhere saying so. So what use could it provide?
I am assuming through the AQ Khan network when it was available that Iran have some idea how to make a working bomb. After its a question of assembling the right personnel and materials.
The article says missing since a week according to the IAEA inspectors. That might have triggered the attack.
Nobody gives another a nuke because you then have no control of it's use but will be held responsible if it is ever used. Meaning you get nuked for no direct fault of yours.
That is extremely misinformed idea.
If nuclear material is refined further and distributed in wide area, definitely will be tragic for long-term. That landscape may probably be uninhabitable for quite sometime until full cleanup is done.
That is why Iran is already in hot water.
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Quasar
Reason is given why it is a dumb take. You don't have a counter for that do you?
That is an excellent compilation of BS narratives that is being used to describe what's happening.
On a tangential point this is what Israel has put up with since Oct 7
What a dramatic rollback has happened
You would think but it's been tested
That too back in 2007 because the US would be a likely target.
Since stuff went missing. Yes
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I have been trying to study as much as I can from internet on this bomber. $2.2 billion for just one . I have seen it many times before but never imagined it to be so sophisticated that even after 40 years there is nothing any radar or hypersonic missiles can do about it.
And what is more surprising is that It had an Indian Scientist Noshir Gowadia behind the stealth technology and he even sold it to China and is still in prison.
Why didnt he gave it to his own country? China ko de sakta hai apna desh ko nahi.
or do you guys think India is afraid to spy on USA where as China does what it needs too knowing very well USA does that also.
They do not need to give . They can assist and be partners . I am assuming someone did a literal translation of Russian to English and lost the meaning .
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Quasar
It's called basing. The US does it already.
Now tell me why would anyone else want to do so?
Sometimes scientists are imprisoned on a false pretext to contain the knowledge or poaching . USA did that to many German and scientists from other countries . They poached them promising a better life .
To keep the USA at bay . You need to read up about Cuban missile crisis . Russians sent Nuclear warheads and pointed them at the USA . USA back down from their high heels .
possible. But recent advances in China's stealth technology in missile and fighter jets says otherwise.
Afxal
Galvanizer
Might not want to quote this fellowReason is given why it is a dumb take. You don't have a counter for that do you?
That is an excellent compilation of BS narratives that is being used to describe what's happening.
On a tangential point this is what Israel has put up with since Oct 7
What a dramatic rollback has happened
You would think but it's been tested
That too back in 2007 because the US would be a likely target.
Since stuff went missing. Yes
Regime change is impossible . The Iranians seem to have a proper structure and back up in place . One dies the next one takes his place automatically . No parliament debates or JPC to select or elect the next chief .
They are not bothered about men , country . They are bothered about Islam and that is what the supreme leader proclaimed . So if he is gone , the next one is ready . When you have a system driven on ideology , it is difficult to penetrate and that is what Israel and USA know .
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Quasar
Where? The US has no nukes based in the Gulf.
There will be no American boots on the ground in Iran.
It's not clear whether or not this was a one off by Trump. He wants a deal. He's convinced he's ended the program. If the regime wants to remain but withouta nuclear program, signing a deal will do that.
Is his graphic incorrect? It's not even his.
Those numbers sound right to me.
USA has bases around Iran , India and Russia . It has destroyers , submarines in the Arabian waters . Nukes do not have to be on land . They can be deep inside the sea inside a submarine which no one else will know .
Trump is behaving like the entitled prostitute who gets used for a good meal at a star hotel ,but no one will pay any money .
Afxal
Galvanizer
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Quasar
If Iran gets nukes the Saudis want them. That is a land based argument.
And that is exactly the sort of mess people are trying to avoid.