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blr_p said:
What's with this leaking nonsense?

Hear what witkoff says. Do you know who he is.
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Ok . I did not know Harishchandra was reborn as witkoff .
blr_p said:
See above

And opposition and media I'm starting to see has no accountability AT ALL.

But every government DOES!
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The opposition is also elected by the people and sent to the parliament to ask questions . Not eat samosas at canteen . Some times the opposition has lesser seats but more no. of vote percentage than the govt .
blr_p said:
That underlined part is exactly what they are insinuating with this leaked nonsense.

Post-Attack Assessment of the First 12 Days of Israeli Strikes on Iranian Nuclear Facilities | ISIS Reports | Institute For Science And International Security
^Read that. What is not useful. He's a third party and quite notable in the proliferation space.
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So a 3rd party is more validated than the opposition of a country ? The govt has a duty to take the opposition into confidence and not ridicule the opposition with social media and below the belt satires .
blr_p said:
Why is that 3rd party only covering incidents related to Iran ? Why not cover Gaza , Yemen , Israel ? It would be quite obvious even for an idiot to recognise it as a propaganda vehicle than trust them as valuable source of information . Especially when they use Google earth to describe those areas in Iran which are bombed . Armchair experts are there everywhere .
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For those who know, know :clown:

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blr_p said:
Balakote caused the same sort of nonsense USG is dealing with now.

Nobody questioned Op Sindoor. Not even the Paks. Because there was drone footage which is missing here.

How do you show the world in an unambiguous way that an underground site has been obliterated? You expect a live feed from underground when the strike happened or what.
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Just because you close your eyes and listen only to IT cell propaganda it does not mean no one questioned OP. Sindoor . The opposition questioned , public questioned as to how these "terrorist" strikes happen when there are elections .

No one can show an underground site damaged or for that matter even an open air military site . Only the govt can claim or unclaim the damage . A few months of observation and spying is needed before an observation can be made . You yourself claim that the site has been damaged , may I know on what are you basing your inference ? Trump said so ? LOL
blr_p said:
From what I can see Trump and Modi use social media primarily to counter misinformation put out by the opposition/media.

In a free society any government statement would get called out quickly. How can you not see that?

We have a media that won't shut up. Or do you want to say media in US is not free also.

The second part is you inherently distrust government. That is an ass backwards way of looking at things. It doubles the effort for you for no good reason. And ignores that government is always held accountable by the people. Every where.
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Look at your own statements . You are not consistent with your thought process . First you say Trump and Modi use social media to counter misinformation . How are you basing that it is the ultimate truth that both of them put out ?
Next , you believe in the US media and say they are free , but the paradox is that Trump himself was hitting hard at the American media that they lie to their bones .
When any govt chooses to operate in an opaque manner , it is good that people do not trust it . We are a democracy and the people hold the supreme power . Not elected representatives . They need to be asked questions , explanations rather than be given free passes .
 
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yugaaa said:
Just because you close your eyes and listen only to IT cell propaganda it does not mean no one questioned OP. Sindoor . The opposition questioned , public questioned as to how these "terrorist" strikes happen when there are elections .

No one can show an underground site damaged or for that matter even an open air military site . Only the govt can claim or unclaim the damage . A few months of observation and spying is needed before an observation can be made . You yourself claim that the site has been damaged , may I know on what are you basing your inference ? Trump said so ? LOL

Look at your own statements . You are not consistent with your thought process . First you say Trump and Modi use social media to counter misinformation . How are you basing that it is the ultimate truth that both of them put out ?
Next , you believe in the US media and say they are free , but the paradox is that Trump himself was hitting hard at the American media that they lie to their bones .
When any govt chooses to operate in an opaque manner , it is good that people do not trust it . We are a democracy and the people hold the supreme power . Not elected representatives . They need to be asked questions , explanations rather than be given free passes .
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blr_p said:
Doesn't this feel like deja vu :)
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US strikes failed to destroy Iran's nuclear sites, intelligence report says
Some centrifuges still remained intact after the attacks, the Washington Post said, citing an unnamed person familiar with the report.
Trump's administration told the United Nations Security Council on Tuesday that its weekend strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities had "degraded" Iran's nuclear program, short of Trump's earlier assertion that the facilities had been "obliterated."

Trump Thanks Iran For "Notice" Before Attack On US Base, Then A Peace Note
US President Donald Trump also thanked Tehran for the advance warning of the strikes - "I want to thank Iran for giving us early notice, which made it possible for no lives to be lost, and nobody to be injured".
www.ndtv.com

Trump Thanks Iran For "Notice" Before Attack On US Base, Then A Peace Note

US President Donald Trump signalled today that Iran's attempted air strike at the US-run Al Udeid air base in Qatar would not draw a retaliation from Washington.
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Guess who'll are in Deja Vu mode :)
 
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All the opposition have is a preliminary assessment leaked by someone from the pentagon. Otherwise none of this circus would be happening

Why does it even matter? Not to me

But USG has to respond because they are being called liars.

You have to spell it out to people.

Bashing CNN for spreading enemy propaganda. Exactly how I felt people were doing after Balakote.

In both cases, the opposition crapped their pants because the operation was successful. In India and in the US. So out comes the FUD.
yugaaa said:
A couple of videos my friend sent me from Iran .. Cannot upload videos here . So put them up on a googledrive .

unnecessary – Google Drive

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Describe what is in the videos
 
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blr_p said:
Describe what is in the videos
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Not porn videos . Just a couple of videos when missile hit Iran and 1 damaged building .

Sharing a few more links
The streets in Iran are much better than India and look on par with Dubai . I am surprised that they have better infra structure than India .
In general most development seems to happen when there is a military rule in place . Rapid pace of road building , bridges all happen with dictators than democracies . Further examples would be African countries which had/have dictators who are pro country and not pro pockets .
 
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blr_p said:
All the opposition have is a preliminary assessment leaked by someone from the pentagon. Otherwise none of this circus would be happening
Why does it even matter? Not to me
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Why not take from direct source:
TEUser2K1 said:
Trump's administration told the United Nations Security Council on Tuesday that its weekend strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities had "degraded" Iran's nuclear program, short of Trump's earlier assertion that the facilities had been "obliterated."
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So, it's not 'obliterated', but 'degraded', now wait and see how it ends up.
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JD Vance suggests Iran’s uranium stockpile is still intact despite US strikes
JD Vance has suggested Iran’s estimated 400kg (882lb) stockpile of enriched uranium, which is just short of weapons-grade, remains intact despite the recent US bombing campaign against Iran.
www.theguardian.com

JD Vance suggests Iran’s uranium stockpile is still intact despite US strikes

Vice-president said the bombing was a ‘success’, but reports suggest the stockpile was probably moved elsewhere
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blr_p said:
Iranians are saying now they were 'badly damaged'
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But where is that 400kg of nuclear material.
Whatever Iran's minister now say will be to protect his country's interest, obviously.
There is reports of secret facility with centrifuges, there may be a delay, but they are not fully down.
Now, it looks like Trump and Iran is in sync more than Israel and Trump, lol.
 
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Talk about Dejavu ..
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TEUser2K1 said:
But where is that 400kg of nuclear material.
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I'm confused about that.

Didn't one of your articles state the IAEA inspectors could not account for missing stuff a week back?

I'm also hearing from people and Trump that its not easy to move this stuff and also very dangerous because its toxic.

So how did stuff go missing then?

TEUser2K1 said:
There is reports of secret facility with centrifuges, there may be a delay, but they are not fully down.
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That's also the story of Fordo. For over two years it was hidden until it was discovered. So same will happen if there are any others.
TEUser2K1 said:
Now, it looks like Trump and Iran is in sync more than Israel and Trump, lol.
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No nuclear program -- Trump
No peace in the region without regime change -- Israel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937869680393302362

The Israelis had agents on the site soon after the strike. Let's see what their report says.

They won't let this go if the job wasn't done properly.
 
blr_p said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1937869680393302362

The Israelis had agents on the site soon after the strike. Let's see what their report says.

They won't let this go if the job wasn't done properly.
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You believe that ? A nuclear site in dispute for decades will allow Israeli agents ? By now , who ever the agents were would have been purged . Israel or America will be in the dark for quite some time . Especially with Iran withdrawing from IAEA , there is no way they are going to get so close .
Suspicion is that Iran is already in the possession or near possession of Nuclear weapons ,especially with so many undisclosed locations .
 
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yugaaa said:
You believe that ?
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Yes
yugaaa said:
A nuclear site in dispute for decades will allow Israeli agents ?
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They operated a drone factory inside Iran and then used it to attack air defense networks. And the locals thought it was an Iranian factory.

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yugaaa said:
By now , who ever the agents were would have been purged . Israel or America will be in the dark for quite some time .
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Iran has an open backdoor in their north. You do realise these operations have been ongoing for fifteen odd years right? This purge where they catch some innocent people and label them isn't working just like every other so called purge they did in the past.

Iran is not a closed society like Gaza.
yugaaa said:
Especially with Iran withdrawing from IAEA , there is no way they are going to get so close .
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Who says Iran is going to withdraw from the IAEA? All I'm hearing is what-if
yugaaa said:
Suspicion is that Iran is already in the possession or near possession of Nuclear weapons ,especially with so many undisclosed locations .
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There is a small possibility. So then they need to test to know it is working. Secret test doesn’t help. It needs to be public and working to have a deterrent effect.

So the proof is a test. Any idea when that will happen?
 
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