In one para : what's wrong with our modern diet.

Interesting article.
Role of stress and it's effect on endocrine system is less discussed and understood.
People should be addressing this more.

i think loss of vitamins and minerals in soil over a century is huge factor in health decline..
you can eat as many vegetables as you want but if they grown up on poor soil, it will be useless.

we already see cases of termeric and ayurveda medicines cause lead or mercury poisoning..

@vink
Incidentally, curcumin in turmeric is a therapeutic for preventing or correcting the negative effects of mercury on the body.
Mercury in soil may be present only in few areas in India ?

I can say in one word: OIL
In India people eat lots of fried things. Majority of street foods are fried based. Oily products are the major cause of heart failure and overweight. We eat not because we are hungry, we eat because we feel the urge to eat i.e to sensitize our taste buds and oily products are tasty to eat.

TEUser2K1 said:

@vink
Incidentally, curcumin in turmeric is a therapeutic for preventing or correcting the negative effects of mercury on the body.
Mercury in soil may be present only in few areas in India ?

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Sounds like another tabloid health science referring inconclusive/fraudulent studies.

Even then, turmeric is not good for planting other plants in same soil. Unless treated the soil is difficult to use.

@jiith77

> Even then, turmeric is not good for planting other plants in same soil. Unless treated the soil is difficult to use.

What does this mean ? Couldn't understand a thing from this.

> Sounds like another tabloid health science referring inconclusive/fraudulent studies.

There are multiple studies on this same subject. Curcumin's various benefits are well acknowledged by scientific studies.
May be, you should double check your sources and tabloids you go through ?

TEUser2K1 said:

@jiith77

> Even then, turmeric is not good for planting other plants in same soil. Unless treated the soil is difficult to use.

What does this mean ? Couldn't understand a thing from this.

> Sounds like another tabloid health science referring inconclusive/fraudulent studies.

There are multiple studies on this same subject. Curcumin's various benefits are well acknowledged by scientific studies.
May be, you should double check your sources and tabloids you go through ?

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Curcumin is it.


Yes there are a lot of medical studies. 120 plus. It is summarized under medical research in the link. Result are of two types - inconclusive and fraud. I made the mistake of guessing it to be inconclusive 'or' fraud.

> Even then, turmeric is not good for planting other plants in same soil. Unless treated the soil is difficult to use.

Still didn't get any idea what this is about. Is it about curcumin ?

As for that small wikipedia article, don't think people should always use wikipdia as primary research entity. Anyways, from that link:

"The US government has supported US$150 million in research into curcumin through the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health, and no support has been found for curcumin as a medical treatment."

But article at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5664031/
and many others gives different ideas.

Also, turnmeric is not just about curcumin, there are many other compounds which may help. If you want it to use as part of food fine, as part of healthy diet, fine... If there are evidence as health supplement, then also fine. Whatever floats your boat.

removing sugar and reducing wheat would benefit everyone

TEUser2K1 said:

Role of stress and it's effect on endocrine system is less discussed and understood.

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This. Learning to deal with people is a art of paramount importance these days. It's almost like everybody is waiting to get offended over nothing and get toxic instantaneously. If you can't deal with the world, you'll will never manage to escape the vicious of cycle of stress which ultimately leads to binge eating the highly palatable fried stuff aka. trash for health.
Honorable mention to toxic feminists who will reward you the tag of a pervert in a heartbeat even when they know you cracked a completely harmless joke on sth like... kamar... Personal experience trumps all theories.

Many here don't believe in calorie counting. You'll be fine if you eat to meet your TDEE, maintain vitamin/mineral RDA, and get adequate sleep. The body self-regulates; it needs proper nutrition and rest to heal.

vink said:

i think loss of vitamins and minerals in soil over a century is huge factor in health decline..

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Yes, numerous studies confirm this. It's vital to have annual health checkups and address vitamin deficiencies promptly.

TEUser2K1 said:

Incidentally, curcumin in turmeric is a therapeutic for preventing or correcting the negative effects of mercury on the body.

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Turmeric has no proven benefits, except as a coloring agent. It's harmful in excess, so I removed it from our kitchen.

@TinTinSnowy
> Turmeric has no proven benefits, except as a coloring agent.

With all due respect, I seriously doubts this. Not at all saying it is full blown medicine here, but to say turmeric is merely a coloring agent is not agreeable. What about flavor ? What about it's property to thin blood ? Many studies proving it's effect on body in various other ways.

> It's harmful in excess, so I removed it from our kitchen.

Even water is harmful in excess.

Sometimes, people blindly follow ideas without enough study and care because some random influencor made an impact in their mind.

@TEUser2K1 Possible, but inconclusive studies, in my view. Safer to use well-tested ingredients with no reported organ failure cases. We don't lose much by omitting it, but if there's potential harm in the long run or weak daily use evidence, better to steer clear.

TinTinSnowy said:

Many here don't believe in calorie counting. You'll be fine if you eat to meet your TDEE, maintain vitamin/mineral RDA, and get adequate sleep. The body self-regulates; it needs proper nutrition and rest to heal.


Yes, numerous studies confirm this. It's vital to have annual health checkups and address vitamin deficiencies promptly.


Turmeric has no proven benefits, except as a coloring agent. It's harmful in excess, so I removed it from our kitchen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1664477124693221376

Liver Injury Associated with Turmeric-A Growing Problem: Ten Cases from the Drug-Induced Liver Injury Network [DILIN] - PubMed

Liver injury due to turmeric appears to be increasing in the United States, perhaps reflecting usage patterns or increased combination with black pepper. Turmeric causes potentially severe liver injury that is typically hepatocellular, with a latency of 1 to 4 months and strong linkage to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Bro, are you an Indian? Not asking sarcastically, its a serious question to you.

The tweet you quoted talks about "turmeric suppliment" not turmeric the way we, Indians, consume.

When it comes to food & medicine, please do not compare with the WEST please. We are definitely made different from the west.

Most studies, quoted in medical discussions, are based on sample group of westerner's only. Very less studies include all ethnicities.
And I don't know in which world it holds good: out of 10bn people the study will have 10k people & they impart the outcome on everyone else.

TEUser2K1 said:

> Even then, turmeric is not good for planting other plants in same soil. Unless treated the soil is difficult to use.

Still didn't get any idea what this is about. Is it about curcumin ?

As for that small wikipedia article, don't think people should always use wikipdia as primary research entity. Anyways, from that link:

"The US government has supported US$150 million in research into curcumin through the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health, and no support has been found for curcumin as a medical treatment."

But article at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5664031/
and many others gives different ideas.

Also, turnmeric is not just about curcumin, there are many other compounds which may help. If you want it to use as part of food fine, as part of healthy diet, fine... If there are evidence as health supplement, then also fine. Whatever floats your boat.

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The first part doesn't have any complex ideas. Other useful plants dont grow easily on the same soil which had turmeric plant earlier. It is a normal observation.

Regarding curcumins ability to reverse the effects of mercury, i didnt find any in the provided link nor am i inclined to believe such theories. If you prefer to believe thats fine.

> Other useful plants dont grow easily on the same soil which had turmeric plant earlier. It is a normal observation.

Thanks for your time explaining this.
What can be root cause behind this. What about soils where other tubers like ginger, etc. are cultivated, does soil in such areas get similarly degraded ?
Doesn't any kind of mono-culture agriculture require soil nutrient replenishment, aka proper soil testing and fertilizers anyways ? Why turmeric alone have to be different ?

> Regarding curcumins ability to reverse the effects of mercury, i didnt find any in the provided link nor am i inclined to believe such theories. If you prefer to believe thats fine.

Then how come after a very very basic google search about curcumin's / turmeric's benefits in removing mercury toxicity provided various links:

Antagonizing effects of curcumin against mercury-induced autophagic death and trace elements disorder by regulating PI3K/AKT and Nrf2 pathway in the spleen

CURCUMIN ADMINISTRATION ATTENUATES ACCUMULATION OF MERCURIC CHLORIDE IN VITAL ORGANS OF EXPERIMENTAL RATS AND LEADS TO PREVENT HEPATIC AND RENAL TOXICITY

Detoxification and antioxidant effects of curcumin in rats experimentally exposed to mercury

A Review of the Role of Curcumin in Metal Induced Toxicity

Protective effects of curcumin against mercury-induced hepatic injuries in rats, involvement of oxidative stress antagonism, and Nrf2-ARE pathway activation

Curcumin ameliorated the mercuric chloride induced depression and anxiety in female mice offspring

Abstract 4925: Curcumin, a polyphenol from the Curcuma longa, prevents mercuric chloride-induced liver damage through reversal of oxidative stress and biochemical changes

Curcumin: A Review of Its’ Effects on Human Health

I wasnt questioning googles ability to gave links to curcumin research for something the US government alone had spend 100+ millions on. With the right inputs the same google can give enough inputs to the contrary.
And lets assume the research shows that curcumin can reverse the effects of mercury, did FDA approve any curcumin drug for treating mercury poisoning. Till then anyone saying it can cure will be snake oil.

There are enough research links supportive and you bring some random guy's blog with nefarious tone. "These things are a pain in the ass, of course." - a sentance from your so much trusted article, such a class research.
Don't think turmeric as a spice or supplement need this much discussion neither anybody's support these days.
As said, whatever floats your boat. Bye.