Superczar pulled back from a committed deal. How do I give a negative rating?

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Superczar committed to a deal on TE for his apple watch. He confirmed it, and then I added him on a whatsapp group with a friend in Pune to get it collected. Later after 2-3 days of committing he backed off saying that his sister wants to use it. At the same time, Apple Watch SE Cellular had come down from 32k to 27k on Amazon on the Independence sale and went back up to 32k and I lost that opportunity as well which I had told Superczar about. He casually says sorry and steps away.

I want to give him a negative rating. How do I do it? Hes closed the thread. Mods please help here. Attached are the screenshots of the conversations and the Amazon pricehistory for Apple watch SE Cellular.
 

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Negative feedback is only fair if the person has been dishonest in the deal and done some fraud with the exchange of money or product.

Because having negative feedback is a very serious charge and it can spoil one's goodwill as a seller or even as a buyer.


So think about it.
yes being committed to the deal is important but he did not do any fraud with you.

You can avoid to deal with him in future if you feel so bad about it.
 
solo_wing said:
Negative feedback is only fair if the person has been dishonest in the deal and done some fraud with the exchange of money or product.

Because having negative feedback is a very serious charge and it can spoil one's goodwill as a seller or even as a buyer.


So think about it.
yes being committed to the deal is important but he did not do any fraud with you.

You can avoid to deal with him in future if you feel so bad about it.
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There is an opportunity loss. Does that not qualify? I wanted the watch for my 75 year old dad as he fell down recently for the fall detection feature. Now, it will cost me Rs.5000 more to buy which I could have availed on Amazon during the sale and he knew about it.

He did not have any unavoidable circumstances here. He changed his mind, which is unfair to me.
 
Ragin_Ice said:
There is an opportunity loss. Does that not qualify? I wanted the watch for my 75 year old dad as he fell down recently. Now, it will cost me Rs.5000 more to buy which I could have availed on Amazon during the sale and he knew about it.

He did not have any unavoidable circumstances here. He changed his mind, which is unfair to me.
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First of all. I am sorry to hear that and hope your Dad is fine and in good health.

I can understand How important this might have been for you but at the same time it can be as important for him too to give his sister a gift.

There is personal feelings involved from both members and that cannot be measured.

Keeping personal feelings aside everyone has right to see what serves best for him/her as long as no fraud is done.

Hope you soon find a good deal soon. ( I know how important health watches are these days especially for elderly people )
 
Ragin_Ice said:
I want to give him a negative rating.
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You should understand that negative ratings are only for when someone disappears with the product without giving payment or disappears with the payment without giving the product.

I just went through something similar, but as a seller. There is no deal without payment. And there's no deal if payment is refunded for whatever reason.

That's how it is on any other marketplace or online store. If the payment is with the buyer, the seller has no obligation.

Ragin_Ice said:
I lost that opportunity
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This is the reality of waiting to make or receive a payment. Don't wait. Just buy from wherever you get the best deal and update whoever you were waiting for. No one should feel bad about this, everyone can understand that getting the best deal is in the self-interest of any person.

Even Amazon can refuse to ship a product that you got a good price on, and only offer a refund — there is no penalty on them by law in that case. All you can do is avoid buying from Amazon in the future.

Ragin_Ice said:
He changed his mind, which is unfair to me.
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On a softer note, he appears to have apologised thrice. You can either choose to be merciful and accept it and find another way for yourself or you can choose to curse his essence until your dying breath. Life is short either way.

But seeing that you're both senior members of this forum, put yourself in his position — would you be able to refuse your sister or any immediate family member their request and give preference to someone outside of family?
 
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blr_p said:
No. If a buyer is free to walk away from a deal then why not a seller.

Big time sucks that I will grant you.

C'mon man both of you have been here since the start. Just get him to buy you a beer or whatever and call it quits :)
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rsaeon said:
You should understand that negative ratings are only for when someone disappears with the product without giving payment or disappears with the payment without giving the product.

I just went through something similar, but as a seller. There is no deal without payment. And there's no deal if payment is refunded for whatever reason.

That's how it is on any other marketplace or online store. If the payment is with the buyer, the seller has no obligation.



This is the reality of waiting to make or receive a payment. Don't wait. Just buy from wherever you get the best deal and update whoever you were waiting for. No one should feel bad about this, everyone can understand that getting the best deal is in the self-interest of any person.

Even Amazon can refuse to ship a product that you got a good price on, and only offer a refund — there is no penalty on them by law in that case. All you can do is avoid buying from Amazon in the future.



On a softer note, he appears to have apologised thrice. You can either choose to be merciful and accept it and find another way for yourself or you can choose to curse his essence until your dying breath. Life is short either way.

But seeing that you're both senior members of this forum, put yourself in his position — would you be able to refuse your sister or any immediate family member their request and give preference to someone outside of family?
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I am not asking to hang him to death.

If someone can commit to a deal, then take over the conversation to Whatsapp, then make me arrange for the logistics by asking a friend, also make me not avail an opportunity to buy it for Rs.5000 cheaper from the Amazon sale and then casually walk away from the deal by quoting avoidable circumstances, even I should have the option to give a negative rating. Right now I dont have that option and it is not fair.

TE has the highest standards for classifieds and this is definitely not acceptable. I should have the option to give a negative rating as in any part of the world, it is not acceptable. What kind of examples are we setting for newer TE users? Will they think its fair? They will think TE is an entited forum making exceptions for old members.
 
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Ragin_Ice said:
I am not asking to hang him to death.
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At least you didn't lose any money. Because that happens from time to time despite best efforts
Ragin_Ice said:
If someone can commit to a deal, then take over the conversation to Whatsapp, then make me arrange for the logistics by asking a friend, also make me not avail an opportunity to buy it for Rs.5000 cheaper from the Amazon sale and then casually walk away from the deal by quoting unavoidable circumstances, even I should also have the ability to give a negative rating. Right now I dont have that option and it is not fair.
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I think this comes under circumstances beyond ones control. He'd not put it up for sale without intent to sell.
Ragin_Ice said:
TE has the highest standards for classifieds and this is definitely not acceptable. I should have the option to give a negative rating as in any part of the world, it is not acceptable. What kind of examples are we setting for newer TE users? Will they think its fair? They will think TE is an entited forum making exceptions for old members.
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As has been explained. Negative ratings are for when some fraud has occurred. That it applies in a specific case makes it easier to understand. If you now start commingling this rating with other things then sellers will soon all become unreliable and the result is selling here will cease because everyone is human and such a system is ripe for abuse

I think the present system has endured for as long because it works for both parties.
 
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Ragin_Ice said:
also make me not avail an opportunity to buy it for Rs.5000 cheaper from the Amazon sale
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You know the sale dates so I don't understand why the waiting for 2-3 days. Did you consider a deadline (within the Amazon sale period) by when to conclude this sale in TE or did you just hedge your bets only on it coming through?
 
Ragin_Ice said:
it is not fair
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I understand your frustration but you must allow me this flippant remark:

Ragin_Ice said:
What kind of examples are we setting for newer TE users?
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They're all banned from the marketplace.


But yes, after all the arrangements you've made, it is dishonourable to withdraw from the transaction, but he has apologised. The outcome of this transaction would have been the same if he had died, or if the item had blown up. In my opinion, the reason why the transaction is cancelled is not as important as the apology. The apology would've been easier to accept if there was some kind of compensation attached to it, but there isn't. Not in light of the large difference in price between what he was selling and the one you were looking at on Amazon.

You've made this thread and it has informed other members about what has happened so there's that. Personally, I would click on the 'ignore' button for such a user if I didn't want to accept their apology.

Ragin_Ice said:
then make me arrange for the logistics by asking a friend
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If money or time was spent in traveling/meeting by your friend, that should be compensated as part of the apology.
 
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ibose said:
You know the sale dates so I don't understand why the waiting for 2-3 days. Did you consider a deadline (within the Amazon sale period) by when to conclude this sale in TE or did you just hedge your bets only on it coming through?
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Yeah I think he did that and therein lies a lesson for us all. Especially if there was a deadline to avail an alternative.
 
ibose said:
You know the sale dates so I don't understand why the waiting for 2-3 days. Did you consider a deadline (within the Amazon sale period) by when to conclude this sale in TE or did you just hedge your bets only on it coming through?
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I didnt wait. The moment he told me that he is not honouring his commitment, I immediately checked on Amazon and the price had increased to 32k from 27k (even in the sale period).
 
rsaeon said:
I understand your frustration but you must allow me this flippant remark:



They're all banned from the marketplace.


But yes, after all the arrangements you've made, it is dishonourable to withdraw from the transaction, but he has apologised. The outcome of this transaction would have been the same if he had died, or if the item had blown up. In my opinion, the reason why the transaction is cancelled is not as important as the apology. The apology would've been easier to accept if there was some kind of compensation attached to it, but there isn't.

You've made this thread and it has informed other members about what has happened so there's that. Personally, I would click on the 'ignore' button for such a user if I didn't want to accept their apology.



If money or time was spent in traveling/meeting by your friend, that should be compensated as part of the apology.
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Dying or item blowing up are 'Unavoidable' circumstances.

Walking away from a deal by making someone spend time and effort on it after committing and also make them lose an opportunity to save Rs.5000 by simply saying that my 'Sister wants to upgrade her watch are 'Avoidable' circumstances.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, it should be made clear he was selling a three year old model at an asking price of 15k. It's a pretty big jump to compare with a current model that was on sale for 28k, not to mention disingenuous.

FS: Mobile - Apple watch Series 6 cellular + wifi : 40mm silver

For sale is a LTE apple watch series 6. The watch is in excellent condition with no dings or dents. The screen has a hyderogel film cover installed and any scratches visible in pics would be on the gel film. The straps will show some signs of usage It's the cellular variant in starlight and...
techenclave.com techenclave.com
 
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Ragin_Ice said:
I didnt wait. The moment he told me that he is not honouring his commitment, I immediately checked on Amazon and the price had increased to 32k from 27k (even in the sale period).
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Tough luck. Now consider the scenario that you just bought it in the Amazon deal and walked out of the TE sale. Are you prepared to take a negative rating ?
Actually this scenario happens frequently here in TE. Potential buyers just ghost the sellers after making a commitment even to the extent that the buyer has shared payment information (happened with me a number of times). Do you think all such buyers should get a negative rating ?
 
rsaeon said:
Sahivalue has the Apple Watch 7 Cellular in Midnight Black with 91% battery health for 21k:
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Personally, I'd stay away from that site.

They have LG V60 ThinQ 5G 8/128GB listed for 15.5k.
www.sahivalue.com

Buy Refurbished & Second Hand LG V60 ThinQ 5G 8/128GB Black

Buy lowest-priced refurbished & second hand LG V60 ThinQ 5G 8/128GB Black with original photos & brand warranty. 7-days Replacement. No cost EMI & COD.
www.sahivalue.com www.sahivalue.com

Samsung Galaxy Z Fold3 (Fold 3) 5G 12/256GB for 50k.
www.sahivalue.com

Buy Refurbished Samsung Galaxy Z Fold3 (Fold 3) 5G 12/256GB Green

Buy lowest-priced refurbished & second hand Samsung Galaxy Z Fold3 (Fold 3) 5G 12/256GB Phantom Green with original photos & brand warranty. No cost EMI & COD.
www.sahivalue.com www.sahivalue.com

You sure they're legit?
 
rootyme said:
Personally, I'd stay away from that site.

You sure they're legit?
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There's a thread or two around here https://techenclave.com/threads/any-feedback-on-sahivalue-com.207360/

Also reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianGaming/comments/l9ymnt
https://www.reddit.com/r/mumbai/comments/xcz4wh

I've never purchased from them but I have bought from budli.com (meant to add it to your recycle thread but keep forgetting).

rootyme said:
They have LG V60 ThinQ 5G 8/128GB listed for 15.5k.
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Imported, no Jio support — barely any value to it. No parts/repair can be done in India.

rootyme said:
Samsung Galaxy Z Fold3 (Fold 3) 5G 12/256GB for 50k.
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Yeah, that's the normal price second hand, CEX has more or less the same pricing.

Second hand market is pretty good for consumers in India. Sucks for sellers though. It's part of the reason why I either buy used, or on EMI. Never full price up front.
 
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rsaeon said:
There's a thread or two around here https://techenclave.com/threads/any-feedback-on-sahivalue-com.207360/

Also reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianGaming/comments/l9ymnt
https://www.reddit.com/r/mumbai/comments/xcz4wh
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Nothing conclusive :p Both Reddit posts have terrible reviews at the end. I guess dealing in person, in their offline stores is the way to go, in case anybody wants to take that route.
rsaeon said:
I have bought from budli.com (meant to add it to your recycle thread but keep forgetting).
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If you don't mind, could you please reply to that thread briefing your experience with Budli.com? Can't add it myself since I have no experience dealing with them.
 
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