Issues after fresh os install

becool773 · Jun 6, 2024

My cousin bought a hp laptop last week. It was delivered yesterday. It came with Windows 11 home out of the box but was very slow due to the bloatware. He formatted and freshly installed windows 11 international variant from microsoft's website. Few issues-
- Even after reinstallation the bloatware keeps on coming back with the updates. If we stop them in services.msc it again comes back. We tried to delete these folders but got this error

https://imgur.com/a/1824jgU

How to delete these folders? There is only one user and the user has admin rights. He did use o&o10 after reinstallation to disable and remove other junk by microsoft. Can that be causing this error?

- In the preinstalled windows, he could select the display language as english us or english India. But this variant is saying that the windows license supports only one display language

https://imgur.com/a/s8tC2K4

Windows status shows activated. Is this a deal breaker? Would windows 11 us version give option to use different display language here?

P.S. He called their customer support. Some level 4 guy called him and said that as long as the bios is from them all these softwares will keep on getting auto installed with each windows update as they have some agreement with ms. Moreover if these are removed then warranty becomes void.

Heisen · Jun 6, 2024

You are probably over analysing stuff, just instal windows 11 home from official site and while windows update don’t install optional updates. That’s it, don’t worry about these folders. Use the laptop as you normally would.

There are bajillion things in windows that can be called as bloatware, if you look deep enough. Not worth it IMO to remove few folders and some services.

nRiTeCh · Jun 6, 2024

becool773 said:
My cousin bought a hp laptop last week. It was delivered yesterday. It came with Windows 11 home out of the box but was very slow due to the bloatware. He formatted and freshly installed windows 11 international variant from microsoft's website. Few issues-
- Even after reinstallation the bloatware keeps on coming back with the updates. If we stop them in services.msc it again comes back. We tried to delete these folders but got this error

https://imgur.com/a/1824jgU

How to delete these folders? There is only one user and the user has admin rights. He did use o&o10 after reinstallation to disable and remove other junk by microsoft. Can that be causing this error?

- In the preinstalled windows, he could select the display language as english us or english India. But this variant is saying that the windows license supports only one display language

https://imgur.com/a/s8tC2K4

Windows status shows activated. Is this a deal breaker? Would windows 11 us version give option to use different display language here?

P.S. He called their customer support. Some level 4 guy called him and said that as long as the bios is from them all these softwares will keep on getting auto installed with each windows update as they have some agreement with ms. Moreover if these are removed then warranty becomes void.

You are overdoing stuff. If you are so much concerned about windows bloatware and telemetry you can shift to linux.
You don't need to panic as its not an MI OS.
What you want to achieve or whats exactly is your worry factor wrt windows os?

Rezep · Jun 6, 2024

How have you come to the conclusion it's THOSE folders that are "slowing" your laptop down? Define your slow. Boot time? Just browsing stuff or opening folders? What laptop even is it? Does it have an SSD?

becool773 · Jun 6, 2024

Heisen said:
You are probably over analysing stuff, just instal windows 11 home from official site and while windows update don’t install optional updates. That’s it, don’t worry about these folders. Use the laptop as you normally would.

There are bajillion things in windows that can be called as bloatware, if you look deep enough. Not worth it IMO to remove few folders and some services.

+ @nRiTeCh
But these hp softwares slow down the laptop a lot. It has 8gb of ram out of the box. He doesn't have the budget to upgrade the ram at this moment so he wanted to remove them instead. Again the intention is to remove hp bloatware and nothing esle. The windows iso was downloaded from official microsoft website.
Anything for point 2?

Rezep said:
How have you come to the conclusion it's THOSE folders that are "slowing" your laptop down? Define your slow. Boot time? Just browsing stuff or opening folders? What laptop even is it? Does it have an SSD?

Yes it has ssd with 8 gb of ram. Slow when it comes to boot and when opening folders or browsing. When these are deleted and windows is reinstalled and updated it works great. But as soon as these are auto downloaded and reinstalled the laptop becomes slow again.
Any ideas about point 2?

nRiTeCh · Jun 6, 2024

becool773 said:
+ @nRiTeCh
But these hp softwares slow down the laptop a lot. It has 8gb of ram out of the box. He doesn't have the budget to upgrade the ram at this moment so he wanted to remove them instead. Again the intention is to remove hp bloatware and nothing esle. The windows iso was downloaded from official microsoft website.
Anything for point 2?

You already said you installed a fresh OS. I hope that wasn't from the HP media.
A fresh OS installed externally doesn't have any dell/hp type bloatwares.

Rezep · Jun 6, 2024

becool773 said:
Yes it has ssd with 8 gb of ram. Slow when it comes to boot and when opening folders or browsing. When these are deleted and windows is reinstalled and updated it works great. But as soon as these are auto downloaded and reinstalled the laptop becomes slow again.
Any ideas about point 2?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hewlett_Packard/comments/lpxcwv/_/gog9z9i

Highly unlikely you can actually uninstall it. Everytime you try to remove it, it's seen as an "essential" driver or program and windows will relentlessly install it again and again every time it updates itself.
As one of the support people said, it is basically linked to the mobo. It seems people have tried to disable it using workarounds like creating a batch file and auto tasking it to run itself at certain times of the day. I still feel like this can't be the main cause for "slowness". If it were, this would be far more widely reported.

becool773 · Jun 6, 2024

nRiTeCh said:
You already said you installed a fresh OS. I hope that wasn't from the HP media.
A fresh OS installed externally doesn't have any dell/hp type bloatwares.

Please read this line
P.S. He called their customer support. Some level 4 guy called him and said that as long as the bios is from them all these softwares will keep on getting auto installed with each windows update as they have some agreement with ms. Moreover if these are removed then warranty becomes void.
And check this post by @Rezep

Issues after fresh os install

My cousin bought a hp laptop last week. It was delivered yesterday. It came with Windows 11 home out of the box but was very slow due to the bloatware. He formatted and freshly installed windows 11 international variant from microsoft's website. Few issues- - Even after reinstallation the...

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Rezep said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hewlett_Packard/comments/lpxcwv/_/gog9z9i

Highly unlikely you can actually uninstall it. Everytime you try to remove it, it's seen as an "essential" driver or program and windows will relentlessly install it again and again every time it updates itself.
As one of the support people said, it is basically linked to the mobo. It seems people have tried to disable it using workarounds like creating a batch file and auto tasking it to run itself at certain times of the day. I still feel like this can't be the main cause. If it were, this would be far more widely reported.

So, bkl are doing this in laptops like those subscription based printers, sad.
Any idea about point 2?

All laptops including lenovo, dell comes with this type of bloatware. Since bios will be theirs so is it safe to assume that in case of a fresh install these bloatwares will keep on coming back?

Rezep · Jun 6, 2024

becool773 said:
So, bkl are doing this in laptops like those subscription based printers, sad.
Any idea about point 2?

No idea, if you scroll down on that specific reddit comment thread, as I mentioned before, you can run a batch file that will force stop those services from running, but it's not a real proper way to do so. It's just automating what you would do to disable these services manually.

becool773 said:
All laptops including lenovo, dell comes with this type of bloatware. Since bios will be theirs so is it safe to assume that in case of a fresh install these bloatwares will keep on coming back?

I mean, you've done it already and it still came back right? What more evidence is needed. Wait for some more replies from other people as I believe they'll probably know more about this. Also could you share what laptop it is?

becool773 · Jun 6, 2024

Rezep said:
No idea, if you scroll down on that specific reddit comment thread, as I mentioned before, you can run a batch file that will force stop those services from running, but it's not a real proper way to do so. It's just automating what you would do to disable these services manually.

I mean, you've done it already and it still came back right? What more evidence is needed. Wait for some more replies from other people as I believe they'll probably know more about this. Also could you share what laptop it is?

No no bhai, leaving the hp services point as it is because there is no way out of it. I was asking about this

In the preinstalled windows, he could select the display language as english us or english India. But this variant, the iso downloaded from MS's website the international version, is saying that the windows license supports only one display language

https://imgur.com/a/s8tC2K4

Windows status shows activated. Is this a deal breaker like differences in features etc.? Would windows 11 usa version give an option to use different display language here?

I was just generally asking that other oem laptops which come with their softwares, they would also get preinstalled in case a fresh install is done. Pardon me I don't remember the laptop model, will ask him and will share with you.

altair21 · Jun 6, 2024

becool773 said:
All laptops including lenovo, dell comes with this type of bloatware. Since bios will be theirs so is it safe to assume that in case of a fresh install these bloatwares will keep on coming back?

Not the case in lenovo or atleast in my 5i, but then I spend Mac-esque money on it, there are a couple of laptop focused servers (look them up on r/GamingLaptops), peeps there will have more experience for your specific issue/OEM

Shripad · Jun 7, 2024

I had this issue with the Asus laptops I had bought and the HP Probook.
This can be avoided. Or at least it could be in past.
To stop this, you not only need to do a clean reinstall of Windows. But use the bootable media of Windows and while installing delete all existing partitions on the internal SSD. These OEMs have their recovery partitions which bring back all the bloat even if you reinstall Windows.
To do a real clean install you need to delete all existing partitions and recreate your own primary partition partition (new recovery and system partition will be created automatically by windows). Only then you will get rid of this crap.

Heisen · Jun 7, 2024

Shripad said:
To do a real clean install you need to delete all existing partitions and recreate your own primary partition partition

Wait people have been doing clean re install by not deleting the partition including the system and recovery partition? That's barely clean.

Shripad · Jun 7, 2024

Heisen said:
Wait people have been doing clean re install by not deleting the partition including the system and recovery partition? That's barely clean.

Many people simply dont know. They think just formatting the system partition while doing new install is enough.

Some of the newer system have bios that prompt you to install some drivers, but that is a prompt that user can generally ignore. That wont go away even by deleting all partitions.

Some motherboards do this too now like the entire new Asrock range. But there is option in bios to disable that at least on desktop side. Not sure all laptop makers give this option to disable it in the laptop bios.

rootyme · Jun 7, 2024

I'm surprised that nobody mentioned this yet. You can completely block Windows Update (and Driver Updates) using something like WinAeroTweaker. It's just a Registry string/Group Policy change

Once done, you can manually download and install the patch Tuesday updates. Doesn't take much effort honestly and this way you get only the windows updates and nothing else.

nRiTeCh · Jun 7, 2024

Heisen said:
Wait people have been doing clean re install by not deleting the partition including the system and recovery partition? That's barely clean.

Not to say but for that one needs to have at at least some basic knowledge on os installation.
What people believe is in simply formatting and the blindly clicking on next next next...and bang you are back to square one!

becool773 · Jun 7, 2024

Shripad said:
I had this issue with the Asus laptops I had bought and the HP Probook.
This can be avoided. Or at least it could be in past.
To stop this, you not only need to do a clean reinstall of Windows. But use the bootable media of Windows and while installing delete all existing partitions on the internal SSD. These OEMs have their recovery partitions which bring back all the bloat even if you reinstall Windows.
To do a real clean install you need to delete all existing partitions and recreate your own primary partition partition (new recovery and system partition will be created automatically by windows). Only then you will get rid of this crap.

Did clean reinstall by deleting partitions as you said but it has nothing to do with it because it is the windows update that keeps on pushing it based on the hardware. The same is mentioned in that reddit thread.

rootyme said:
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned this yet. You can completely block Windows Update (and Driver Updates) using something like WinAeroTweaker. It's just a Registry string/Group Policy change

Once done, you can manually download and install the patch Tuesday updates. Doesn't take much effort honestly and this way you get only the windows updates and nothing else.

This works the same way as o&o10. But bhai check this thread once

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hewlett_Packard/comments/lpxcwv/_/gog9z9i

One will update their pc or laptop sometime or the other, even if the driver updates are blocked, windows will push this bloatware in the normal update.

nRiTeCh said:
Not to say but for that one needs to have at at least some basic knowledge on os installation.
What people believe is in simply formatting and the blindly clicking on next next next...and bang you are back to square one!

Did clean reinstall by deleting partitions but it has nothing to do with it because it is the windows update that keeps on pushing it based on the hardware. The same is mentioned in that reddit thread.
Guys any help about this point
In the preinstalled windows, he could select the display language as english us or english India. But this variant, the iso downloaded from MS's website the international version, is saying that the windows license supports only one display language

https://imgur.com/a/s8tC2K4

Windows status shows activated. Is this a deal breaker like differences in features etc.? Would windows 11 usa version give an option to use different display language here?

I was just generally asking that other oem laptops which come with their softwares, they would also get preinstalled in case a fresh install is done. Pardon me I don't remember the laptop model, will ask him and will share with you.

altair21 · Jun 8, 2024

becool773 said:
Did clean reinstall by deleting partitions as you said but it has nothing to do with it because it is the windows update that keeps on pushing it based on the hardware. The same is mentioned in that reddit thread.

This works the same way as o&o10. But bhai check this thread once
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hewlett_Packard/comments/lpxcwv/_/gog9z9i
One will update their pc or laptop sometime or the other, even if the driver updates are blocked, windows will push this bloatware in the normal update.

Did clean reinstall by deleting partitions but it has nothing to do with it because it is the windows update that keeps on pushing it based on the hardware. The same is mentioned in that reddit thread.
Guys any help about this point
In the preinstalled windows, he could select the display language as english us or english India. But this variant, the iso downloaded from MS's website the international version, is saying that the windows license supports only one display language

https://imgur.com/a/s8tC2K4

Windows status shows activated. Is this a deal breaker like differences in features etc.? Would windows 11 usa version give an option to use different display language here?

I was just generally asking that other oem laptops which come with their softwares, they would also get preinstalled in case a fresh install is done. Pardon me I don't remember the laptop model, will ask him and will share with you.

try getting the enterprise version from massgrave and use that for installation, it should prevent crap like this from happening, also how are you installing windows? via their tool?

becool773 said:
No no bhai, leaving the hp services point as it is because there is no way out of it. I was asking about this

In the preinstalled windows, he could select the display language as english us or english India. But this variant, the iso downloaded from MS's website the international version, is saying that the windows license supports only one display language

windows has different licenses for multi-language vs single language versions, just grab the iso from massgrave and activate it with their scripts, also there's an option in windows update/BIOS (not sure where) that enables you to stop driver updates etc from OEM being installed by default, try enabling that option,

Rezep · Jun 8, 2024

altair21 said:
windows has different licenses for multi-language vs single language versions, just grab the iso from massgrave and activate it with their scripts, also there's an option in windows update/BIOS (not sure where) that enables you to stop driver updates etc from OEM being installed by default, try enabling that option,

Great advice, if that doesn't work then I don't know at this point.

Also found this

How To Stop Windows Updates from Downloading and Installing | Dell US

Maybe this article from dell might help. Scroll down to the part where it says Windows 11 - Stopping Automatic Driver and BIOS Updates. But it seems GPedit is not accessible unless it's windows pro. There's a workaround for it somewhere on the web though.

Although I am running an enterprise os (windows 10) that does still get updates which incase the option you suggested doesn't work, would put OP back to square one. Hopefully this works

altair21 · Jun 8, 2024

Rezep said:
Great advice, if that doesn't work then I don't know at this point.

Also found this

How To Stop Windows Updates from Downloading and Installing | Dell US

if @becool773 doesnt mind, the best way would be a registry tweak, done and dusted but I dont recommend that to normal users because if anything happens you are stuck with a dead windows, heck I have started over multiple times because I ****ed up my registry and it was too much of a PITA to debug and fix it.

Rezep said:
Although I am running an enterprise os (windows 10) that does still get updates which incase the option you suggested doesn't work, would put OP back to square one. Hopefully this works

Huh, that shouldnt happen, do you mean that you cant disable updates or that you are getting OEM updates?

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