And yet the misconceptions you have about carbohydrates, sucralose and diabetes are astronomical. The books you are "recommending" are getting a bad name by this.
They are laughing at you.
In one para : what's wrong with our modern diet.
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Oh there you are. I missed that pitch fork gang of TE. I can already hear "burn the witch".
Can't have proper discussion when people living on left side of dunning Kruger curve barge in.
I am interested in hearing what has changed for them, are you suggesting that the already traditional veg thali eating people have somehow increased their carbs further?
Or is it that they have increased their overall calorific intake (eating more and eating more frequently).
Does this book have references mentioned? Did you take effort to check few of the "facts". I am saying this because a huge section of popular writers mention references but either those are circular references (A refers to B, B refers to C, C refers to D, D refers to B) or dead ends (A refer to B, B refer to C, C did not refer to any experiment/study but just wrote an opinion) or false narrative (A refers to B however paraphrases something completely different from what B mentions).
Some of the people guilty of above technique:
Dr Anthony Chaffee
Prof Bart Kay
Nina Teicholz
Gary Taubes
Never knew we had genetic scientists and engineers back then in the neolithic ages.
And what exactly is the problem with fertilizers?
In that case is obesity = allergy to calories? OR obesity = allergy to sugar?What do you mean by what? I did mention carbohydrates, didn't I?Diabetes is an allergy to carbohydrates. It's developed by eating carbohydrates excessively.
Say, I'm allergic to peanuts and consuming them gives me hives. If I stop eating peanuts, I don't get hives anymore. I know! mind-blowing, right?
If what you say is true then even 1 gram of carbohydrate should cause allergic reaction and inflammation.
And since many proteins are known allergens (our immune cell mistake many proteins as Virus or bacterial products), the only diet that is left is to eat is dollops of butter?
I asked that for 20-30 kg of protein in my body, how much deteriorates daily. What does it deteriorate into? How is it excreted? Does the body recycle this deteriorated protein?
After doing all that balance, what is the net deficiency of protein that must be made up from external sources (like food). Is there any study done to ascertain these figures?
I don't have a pet so can't carry out the argument. But your suggestion appears to be that desi pets are fed with under-proteined food and the branded pet food fills up the protein requirements, thus getting them good hair/fur/coat.
Gora Stray animals source their food from dumpsters and thus can get high-protein diet (left over from gora foods)?
Agreed, there is no ceiling to veggies intake, the more the better.
The purpose of big incisors is only one: sink into flesh and cause damage. Don't read too much into herbivore vs carnivore based on only this.
Do you think fighting within same species (males fighting for mating, control of resources/territory) is not a cause great enough for evolution?
I am not sure what Allopathy stands for, but the modern medicine & surgery is based on the scientific method
Do you have any objections to this approach?
There is a constant evolution of knowledge about any subject, however at any point of time, whatever the scientific method lead to was accurate for the data that was available at that moment of time.
I am presuming that the below represents the 40% of the BS in "allopathy":
Care to cite randomized controlled trials establishing this bold part?
I am interested in going through them critically.
A person who has had surgery is because he's had a blockage (plaque built up) of >70% in one or more of the arteries supplying blood to heart pumping muscle. Large blockage = large chance of the clot forming around plaque, and breaking loose and jamming the blood vessels leading to tissue necrosis (stoppage of a part of heart). Now someone who has 70% blockage in one or two arteries, does have some arteries with 50% blockage, some with 20% and so on (which haven't been operated/bypassed yet). Doc's friendly advise exists only to save you from clots originating from these partially blocked arteries.
Your line of reasoning is that a person with broken knee should still continue jumping, running, climbing stairs, squatting because well ... exercise strengthens knees.
Nowhere does modern medicine/nutrition/science asks people to overdo Vitamin C to improve immunity (can you show me any doctor's recommendation on this?). On the other hand it is non-scientific disciplines that encourage Amla, Lemon, Orange, Guava consumption (or their concoctions) to improve resistance to cold/flu.
Lack of Vitamins does make people susceptible to illness, but you can't overfill this tank to a superior immunity more than what your genetics offer.
Which medical science/scientist said the part in bold?
And is it a harmful thing? Why?
Are you sure of the above? Sucralose is a synthetically generated compound that is 100 or 1000 times sweeter than sucrose. This means sucrose (made from cane juice) by itself is also sweet. Any evidence that sucralose is present in nature?
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Water, chemical industries challenge Biden’s rule to restrict ‘forever chemicals’ in drinking water
A Taste for Raw Meat May Have Helped Shape Human Evolution:
Stone tools might have let our ancestors more easily chew and digest meat, which in turn may have changed our teeth and jaws
www.smithsonianmag.com
Meat eating accelerated face evolution
Meat eating accelerated face evolution
Eating raw meat and making stone tools may be behind the smaller teeth and faces of humans compared with their ancient relatives.
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A Taste for Raw Meat May Have Helped Shape Human Evolution:
Stone tools might have let our ancestors more easily chew and digest meat, which in turn may have changed our teeth and jaws
A Taste for Raw Meat May Have Helped Shape Human Evolution
Stone tools might have let our ancestors more easily chew and digest meat, which in turn may have changed our teeth and jaws
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From Paracetamol to Amoxycillin, samples of 58 commonly-used drugs fail quality test; CDSCO issues alert
Scientists Say They'll Cut Back on Bottled Water After Learning 1 Liter Contains a Quarter of a Million Pieces of Plastic
A recent study analyzed three brands of bottled water and found a liter contained an average of 240,000 pieces of plastic
people.com
A recent study analyzed three brands of bottled water and found a liter contained an average of 240,000 pieces of plastic
Scientists Say They'll Cut Back on Bottled Water After Learning 1 Liter Contains a Quarter of a Million Pieces of Plastic
A recent study analyzed bottled water bought at a major retailer and found one liter contained an average of 240,000 microscopic pieces of plastic.
Drinking from plastic bottles can raise type 2 diabetes risk, study warns
Findings are first to provide evidence that chemical’s administration increases type 2 diabetes risk, researchers say
www.independent.co.uk
"the chemical BPA used to make food and drink packages, including plastic water bottles, can reduce sensitivity to the hormone insulin which regulates the body’s sugar metabolism."
Findings are first to provide evidence that chemical’s administration increases type 2 diabetes risk, researchers say
Drinking from plastic bottles can raise diabetes risk, scientists say
Findings are first to provide evidence that chemical’s administration increases type 2 diabetes risk, researchers say
www.independent.co.uk
IwantTosellPc
Disciple
Some great advices:
1) For water: Use glass or steel bottles, not plastic.
2) For food: Try to eat what you make at home, even if it is junk food.
3) For shopping: Avoid anything that is packaged.
4) For cooking: Use cast iron instead of pans that leak fpa plastic (overwhelming majority do) and avoid oils, and use olive oil, coconut oil, ghee, butter, etc instead.
1) For water: Use glass or steel bottles, not plastic.
2) For food: Try to eat what you make at home, even if it is junk food.
3) For shopping: Avoid anything that is packaged.
4) For cooking: Use cast iron instead of pans that leak fpa plastic (overwhelming majority do) and avoid oils, and use olive oil, coconut oil, ghee, butter, etc instead.
TinTinSnowy
Adept
All three are bad for health.
IwantTosellPc
Disciple
How is ghee and butter bad?
(Infact, in a study, they said if you were stranded in an island, and you had to choose only 2 food for survival, potato and butter combination was the best.)
What would you substitute them with? How will you cook?
TinTinSnowy
Adept
High in saturated fats.
Requirements for survival and for general good health differs a lot.
There are other oils with less saturated fats to cook your food in. Something like Sunflower oil for example.
Now, there are dis-interesting discussions about seed oils being cause of lot of health issues.
And coconut being a health food.
Everything in moderation I think.
All oils/fats except essential fatty acids https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid are disputable whether they are conducive or not for health.
I don't understand where we get the idea that we need to eat butter & ghee, when our body itself can (and does) produce saturated fatty acids (the ones that gets stored around our organ and under our skin).
Typically, 250 g of rice becomes 750 g of cooked rice. You may not be able to finish that much in an entire day, let alone one sitting!
And how many calories was that? A measly 1000 kcal.
Sugar and carbs in isolation are not the issue.
The issue is hyper palatability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperpalatable_food), the following combos are identified to be deadly:
I don't understand where we get the idea that we need to eat butter & ghee, when our body itself can (and does) produce saturated fatty acids (the ones that gets stored around our organ and under our skin).
Let me dispute that by asking: have you ever plain eaten boiled rice the entire day? How much can a person consume in a typical day?
Typically, 250 g of rice becomes 750 g of cooked rice. You may not be able to finish that much in an entire day, let alone one sitting!
And how many calories was that? A measly 1000 kcal.
Sugar and carbs in isolation are not the issue.
The issue is hyper palatability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperpalatable_food), the following combos are identified to be deadly:
- >25 per cent of calories from fat plus more than 0.30 per cent sodium by weight (bacon, cheese, and salami; deep fried indian snacks).
- >20 per cent of calories from fat and more than 20 per cent of calories from simple sugars (cake, ice cream, chocolate; most indian sweets).
- >40 per cent of calories from carbohydrates and more than 0.20 percent sodium by weight (pretzels, popcorn, and crackers; all indian "healthy/non fried" snacks).
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‘Unfit for human consumption’: Cancer causing chemicals found in Pani Puris at Karnataka
It is revealed that 22% of Pani Puri samples collected by the officials failed the safety standards in Karnataka.
Chemicals like brilliant blue, sunset yellow and tartrazine were found in Pani Puri samples which can potentially cause various health issues.
Earlier, the Karnataka government banned the food colouring agent Rhodamine-B, which is widely used in dishes such as gobi manchurian and cotton candy.
It is revealed that 22% of Pani Puri samples collected by the officials failed the safety standards in Karnataka.
Chemicals like brilliant blue, sunset yellow and tartrazine were found in Pani Puri samples which can potentially cause various health issues.
Earlier, the Karnataka government banned the food colouring agent Rhodamine-B, which is widely used in dishes such as gobi manchurian and cotton candy.
The bitter sweet truth of the matter is that Bangalore is at least testing, for the last year or so. My search for test results in other places didn't find much.
animishticomb
Disciple
To all the "just move more" to get lean proponents if you are open to broaden your horizon
This is also the same fundamental flaw with calorie in calorie out approach that assumes your body generates or consumes calories linearly... Body constantly regulates energy consumption and expenditure and can vary it vastly depending on conditions (starving vs plenty, sedentary vs exercise etc)
AND then there is the biggest issue of sustainable leanness with cico...everyone thinks they can outdo the cico equation till they can't... If you have done it by severely restricting calories successfully you have just not measured it long enough (1-2-5-10-15 years ...cico is unsustainable)... So making lifestyle sustainable changes is the only way to "diet" successfully
Exercise is crucial for a healthy lifestyle just not for weight loss
This is also the same fundamental flaw with calorie in calorie out approach that assumes your body generates or consumes calories linearly... Body constantly regulates energy consumption and expenditure and can vary it vastly depending on conditions (starving vs plenty, sedentary vs exercise etc)
AND then there is the biggest issue of sustainable leanness with cico...everyone thinks they can outdo the cico equation till they can't... If you have done it by severely restricting calories successfully you have just not measured it long enough (1-2-5-10-15 years ...cico is unsustainable)... So making lifestyle sustainable changes is the only way to "diet" successfully
Exercise is crucial for a healthy lifestyle just not for weight loss
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Not denying your actual point but nope, we are not talking about doing 3 sets of 10 reps of heavy squats as exercise that will lead to calorie expenditure (of course it does, but ain't a needle mover perhaps about 100-200 kcal effort).
What we are designed for is prolonged period of low intensity efforts - standing, walking, slow jogging, working with hands and legs throughout the day interspersed with short periods of high intensity - lifting/moving something heavy, running, fighting. The first part (low intensity) consumes calories via aerobic respiration, the second one (high intensity) consumes calories via anerobic glycolysis. The first part can be sustained for hours thus contributes to a high calorific expenditure, the second part can be sustained for seconds or minutes - but is important for muscle & liver functioning properly (with respect to muscle uptake of glucose, insulin sensitivity, liver's regulation of blood glucose)
We don't do the first part due to chairs, elevators, escalators, private vehicles, TV, mobile phones, computers, ... we don't do the second part because it takes a huge mental effort. And we want to blame someone else for our laziness and lack of initiative.
This is in no way absolves the junk food, fast digesting carbs, calorific dense fat, hyper palatable foods for ruining the calorie in part of the equation. Yes, the whole corporatized food industry is out there to make you addicted to food and make you overshoot your natural satiety signals. (Think about it, how else would they grow double digit CAGR?).
Absolutely necessary to get this part under control, otherwise you will need to train somewhat like Michael Phelp (https://olympics.com/en/news/michae...what-the-american-swimmer-ate-while-training-)
animishticomb
Disciple
Another documentary on Netflix highlighting how the calorie in calorie out approach is too simplistic... And useless to lose weight...
It's like telling someone... You don't want to fall? Then don't go down towards earth stand straight
It's like telling someone... You don't want to fall? Then don't go down towards earth stand straight