90K+ Parts + Used 3070 ti for a year or a new 4070 super?

joel.elias.333

joel.elias.333

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Looking to build this in the coming 1-2 months. Other than advice on the parts, I'm struggling to decide on the GPU.

4070 Super is what is ideal for me in my budget right now but since 5000 series are around the corner, I'm wondering if I should just get a 3070 ti or something and then just upgrade 8-9 months later (if and when 4000 series prices drop further)

Questions
  1. What is your budget?
    • 1.3 lakhs to 1.5 lakhs
  2. What is your existing hardware configuration (component name - component brand and model)
    • CPU - Ryzen 5 3600
    • Motherboard - MSI B450M-VDH MAX
    • GPU - GTX 1660 Super
    • RAM - Corsair 2x16GB
    • Monitor - BenQ GW2283
    • PSU - A local one after my old one conked off
    • SSDs- Crucial BX500 240GB, 1tb TOSHIBA 7200 RPM, 1tb sn770
  3. Which hardware will you be keeping (component name - component brand and model)
    • Monitor - BenQ GW2283
    • SSDs- Crucial BX500 240GB, 1tb TOSHIBA 7200 RPM, 1tb sn770
  4. Which hardware component are you looking to buy (component name). If you have already decided on a configuration then please mention the (component brand and model) as well, this will help us in fine tuning your requirement.
    The CPU & RAM size have been fixed as follows.
    • CPU - Ryzen 9 7900
    • RAM - 64GB DDR5 (32GBx2) 6000MHz
      The rest I have come up with whatever I could find. If you feel there is a better/more vfm option, I'm happy to change this.
    • GPU - New 4070 Super/ Used 3070 ti
    • Motherboard - MSI 650M Gaming plus Wifi
    • PSU - MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 80+ Gold
    • Air cooler - Cooler Master Hyper 620S ARGB 120mm Dual Tower CPU Air Cooler
    • Case - DeepCool Matrexx 55 Mesh V4 C ARGB (ATX) Mid Tower Cabinet
  5. Is this going to be your final configuration or you would be adding/upgrading a component in near future. If yes then please mention when and which component
    • GPU - If I get the used 3070 ti, I will upgrade it within a year
    • RAM - Might add in more RAM after a couple of years
    • Monitor - Might upgrade to a 4k monitor as my primary
  6. Where will you buy this hardware? (Online/City/TE Dealer)
    • Kochi
    • Open to online purchase (sellers like Vedant/MD as well as TE marketplace)
    • Open to used hardware as well
  7. What is your intended use for this PC/hardware
    • 4k Video editing
    • 4k motion graphics
    • Software include After Effects, Premiere Pro, Da Vinci Resolve and a tiny bit of blender
    • Bit of coding on the side
    • There will be minimal gaming
  8. Do you have any brand preference or dislike? Please name them and the reason for your preference/dislike.
    • A little hesitant about Asus motherboards as I've heard dicey things about their AM5 socket ones. But happy to be corrected if what I've heard is wrong.
    • Need Nvidia GPU because... CUDA.
    • Looking for AMD CPU as they're more power efficient (or so I've heard).
    • Bias against Zotac & Inno3d as I've heard that they often fail. But happy to be corrected and to consider them if what I've heard is wrong
    • Need a motherboard with Wifi and 4 ram slots with the option to upgrade to at least 128 gb (4*32gb)
  9. If you will be playing games then which type of games will you be playing?
    • N/A
  10. What is your preferred monitor resolution for gaming and normal usage
    1. Normal Usage - 1080p
  11. Are you looking to overclock?
    • Yes/No - No
  12. Which operating system do you intend to use with this configuration?
    • Windows 11 64 bit
    • Linux - Xubuntu
I'm more of a function over form person so I'm willing to sacrifice looks if it means saving money. I'm value conscious and want to keep the build as cost effective as possible, but the intent is not to skimp out on what is necessary.
 
For productivity, a 3060 12GB might suffice for your budget. Rumours point towards Mar/Apr announcement for 5070, likely still with 12GB VRAM. Try to check multiple benchmarks online on how much of an impact 3060 12GB vs 4070S will make for productivity.

CPU - R9 7900 is a good choice

Mobo - Can consider Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX, has 3x M.2 slots.

Other part choices seem fine to me.
 
OMEGA44-XT said:
For productivity, a 3060 12GB might suffice for your budget. Rumours point towards Mar/Apr announcement for 5070, likely still with 12GB VRAM. Try to check multiple benchmarks online on how much of an impact 3060 12GB vs 4070S will make for productivity.

CPU - R9 7900 is a good choice

Mobo - Can consider Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX, has 3x M.2 slots.

Other part choices seem fine to me.
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Thank you. I did some research and by the looks of it, I can get away with a 3060 12gb for quite a while.

I've been editing 4k encoded footage off an hdd and I found out that that could also be a potential reason for sub par performance with work.

I'll probably pair a new SSD to the new machine as well. And the suggested mobo looks like a good one for that. Will add it to my list and research further.

Much appreciated. Thank you
 
Upgrade your monitor first. Then check where the performance lacks, if it does. Then upgrade GPU or platform or both.

With that monitor, you're not going to get most of your 30 or 40 series cards. But that varies a lot based on what games you play. So upgrade the monitor first, and try the ganes you play, then decide
 
napstersquest said:
Upgrade your monitor first. Then check where the performance lacks, if it does. Then upgrade GPU or platform or both.

With that monitor, you're not going to get most of your 30 or 40 series cards. But that varies a lot based on what games you play. So upgrade the monitor first, and try the ganes you play, then decide
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My use case is not gaming. It's editing and motion graphics. I don't think the monitor has any role in that with respect to how powerful I need my system to be.
 
In your place this is what I would build:
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I'm thinking of your build as a workstation so some considerations:
Cpu: More core count will help you. Spending more on your cpu makes sense to me.
Mobo: x670e because you should have connectivity like pcie biforcation. I picked an option that has debug LEDs. That's important. Post code is better but it gets crazy expensive fast. This unit has 2 m.2 slots that connect directly to the CPU and not via the chipset. Think it has 1 or 2 more that go via chipset.
However it's x16 slots are only x16, x1 and x4
If you spend 4k more, you can get a tomahawk x670e with x16 x4 and x2
The x4 here means you can add an m. 2 riser card and put two more m.2 or 10g networking.
Has 4 m. 2 slots but only 1 goes directly to cpu.

Graphics card: get a lot of vram. A 3060 12gig card is better than a 3070 8gig card for your workload since gaming isn't a primary concern. Second hand makes sense here.

PSU: msi picked one will probably be very good. Look up reviews. I picked a super-flower because they're an OEM for many server psus and they make good stuff.

Cabinet: something with a lot of airflow and resonably priced.

RAM: dont trust that you can upgrade from 2 sticks of RAM to 4 on the am5 platform. You have to drop speeds by a lot to the point that it hurts performance. I picked a kit of 2x48g because that's the largest capacity I found with a cursory glance. 2x64gb would be better.
You can save 12k by going down to 2x32gb. Just get the cheapest stuff with 6000mhz or higher.

SSD: this is your system bottleneck right now. HDDs are horrid to use as scratch disks. Even your two 240g ssds have no dram cache and are pretty slow.
I got you a 2tb gen 4 drive. Add one more and put it in raid 0 and use that as scratch disks.
Even your current system will get a performance boost in video editing by going to a single 2tb SSD. (Make sure it's selecting the ssds as scratch disks)
Note: if you are putting two SSDs in raid 0. Don't use it as storage for your files. Just as workhorses. If one drive dies, you lose all data. Maybe use your additional disks as where you save the data. Consider using your current system as a nas and save all your files there if you make money off your computer. Data redundancy is like a seatbelt. When you need it, you're really glad you got it.

Lastly added the cheapest twin tower cpu cooler. Did not pick an AIO because its a workstation. You can spend more and get a better cpu cooler but this is the minimum to get the job done.
 
karanwk said:
In your place this is what I would build:
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I'm thinking of your build as a workstation so some considerations:
Cpu: More core count will help you. Spending more on your cpu makes sense to me.
Mobo: x670e because you should have connectivity like pcie biforcation. I picked an option that has debug LEDs. That's important. Post code is better but it gets crazy expensive fast. This unit has 2 m.2 slots that connect directly to the CPU and not via the chipset. Think it has 1 or 2 more that go via chipset.
However it's x16 slots are only x16, x1 and x4
If you spend 4k more, you can get a tomahawk x670e with x16 x4 and x2
The x4 here means you can add an m. 2 riser card and put two more m.2 or 10g networking.
Has 4 m. 2 slots but only 1 goes directly to cpu.

Graphics card: get a lot of vram. A 3060 12gig card is better than a 3070 8gig card for your workload since gaming isn't a primary concern. Second hand makes sense here.

PSU: msi picked one will probably be very good. Look up reviews. I picked a super-flower because they're an OEM for many server psus and they make good stuff.

Cabinet: something with a lot of airflow and resonably priced.

RAM: dont trust that you can upgrade from 2 sticks of RAM to 4 on the am5 platform. You have to drop speeds by a lot to the point that it hurts performance. I picked a kit of 2x48g because that's the largest capacity I found with a cursory glance. 2x64gb would be better.
You can save 12k by going down to 2x32gb. Just get the cheapest stuff with 6000mhz or higher.

SSD: this is your system bottleneck right now. HDDs are horrid to use as scratch disks. Even your two 240g ssds have no dram cache and are pretty slow.
I got you a 2tb gen 4 drive. Add one more and put it in raid 0 and use that as scratch disks.
Even your current system will get a performance boost in video editing by going to a single 2tb SSD. (Make sure it's selecting the ssds as scratch disks)
Note: if you are putting two SSDs in raid 0. Don't use it as storage for your files. Just as workhorses. If one drive dies, you lose all data. Maybe use your additional disks as where you save the data. Consider using your current system as a nas and save all your files there if you make money off your computer. Data redundancy is like a seatbelt. When you need it, you're really glad you got it.

Lastly added the cheapest twin tower cpu cooler. Did not pick an AIO because its a workstation. You can spend more and get a better cpu cooler but this is the minimum to get the job done.
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Hi!
Thank you so much for the detailed answer. Couldn't reply earlier as I got bogged down with work. I dug in a bit deeper & I realized your motherboard recommendation might be overkill for me. (super value conscious!) So will go with the previous gigabyte gaming ax v2 suggestion.

But the bit about the RAM and SSD were super useful. Getting 2x 48gb sticks from the US by dec first week. 5200 speed but saved about 12k when compared with the cheapest 2*48 gb sticks available here. From what I researched the speed difference wont matter as much for the softwares I use. Will probably spend the money saved on nvme SSDs, a portable ssd & creating a workflow for data management. Thinking of a 2tb scratch disk as you suggested. Will upgrade to a raid 0 setup if I feel the need for it.

But will probably setup HDDs in RAID 1 for storing completed projects and large data. Along with another long term storage for regular client footage.
Ordered a deepcool ak620 and a montech 903 airflow max case as well.

All in all, I think I've mostly finalized the build. Thank you all for the helpful suggestions. Will post once I have all the parts and have it setup. :)
 
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