‘Tech delayed is tech denied’ -IAF Chief

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India Allocates Record Rs 6.81 Lakh Cr For Defence In FY25-26​

According to the official figures, the largest share of the budget—45.76 per cent or Rs 3.11 lakh crore—has been allocated for revenue expenditure to meet the operational requirements of the armed forces

According to the official figures released by the Ministry of Defence, the largest share of the budget—45.76 per cent or Rs 3.11 lakh crore—has been allocated for revenue expenditure to meet the operational requirements of the armed forces. Capital outlay, which funds the acquisition of new equipment, weapons, and infrastructure development, stands at Rs 1.8 lakh crore, constituting 26.43 per cent of the total allocation.

Defence pensions account for Rs 1.6 lakh crore (23.60 per cent), ensuring financial security for retired military personnel. Meanwhile, Rs 28,682.97 crore (4.21 per cent) has been earmarked for civil organisations operating under the Ministry of Defence.

DRDO Budget Increased By 12.41 Per Cent
The government has also increased the budget allocation for the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) for the financial year 2025-26, underscoring a renewed emphasis on indigenous military research and innovation.

According to official figures, DRDO has been allocated Rs 26,816.82 crore for FY 2025-26, marking a 12.41 per cent increase from the Rs 23,855.61 crore allotted in the previous financial year. This increase highlights India's commitment to strengthening its defence technology base and promoting self-reliance under the Atmanirbhar Bharat initiative.

A major portion of this budget—Rs 14,923.82 crore—has been earmarked for capital expenditure, which will support cutting-edge research and development projects, procurement of advanced defence technologies, and the modernisation of DRDO facilities.

The enhanced allocation is expected to boost ongoing and future defence projects, including missile systems, fighter aircraft, AI-driven warfare capabilities, and next-generation military platforms. This move aligns with India's broader strategy to reduce dependence on foreign defence imports and enhance indigenous capabilities in critical defence technologies.

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At a time when radical actions need to be taken, thanks to mudiji we arent even able to take iterative actions.
This budget is laughable. Mudi will bury us in the ground by the time people of this country or Election comission wakes up.
 
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Sarkari R&D organizations like ISRO, DRDO has to fight to get projects from defense establishments because our fauji generals/admirals/marshals have their relatives running foreign OEM channel/dealer companies.
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Where does this trope come from? I hear it from time to time but when I ask for more details to substantiate then I get nothing.

I notice kids of Pak generals in Ivy league colleges or plum jobs in good places but i don't hear the same about kids of Indian generals. They also seem to live modestly and don't get the kind of lavish retirement gifts the PA showers on its top officers.

The simple reason these heads of military will at times prefer imports is because they are proven (priceless) and this ties directly with morale on the battlefield. And you're completely right about the risk of failures & consequent losses in R&D which are still higher when it comes to developing military gear. So some degree of imports is necessary if you want to maintain deterrence. Especially when the time taken to actually sign off on these purchases is glacial and only ends up increasing the final asking price.

But see, this is not so sexy a rationale as what you said is it :grumpy:
 
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IAF Chief slams HAL over delayed deliveries of Tejas Aircraft – caught on camera

'India's fifth-generation AMCA will be equipped with sixth-generation technologies'
Although the fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is expected to be inducted in 10 years, it is expected to have sixth-gen tech embedded into it, claims ADA official
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'India's fifth-generation AMCA will be equipped with sixth-generation technologies'

Although the fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is expected to be inducted in 10 years, it is expected to have sixth-gen tech embedded into it, claims ADA official
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Trump says US to increase military sales to India, eventually provide F-35 jets​

The United States will increase military sales to India starting in 2025 and will eventually provide F-35 fighter jets, U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday.
"We'll be increasing military sales to India by many billions of dollars. We're also paving the way to ultimately provide India with the F-35 stealth fighters," Trump told reporters.
Trump did not provide a timeline, but foreign military sales, especially for cutting-edge technology like the stealthy F-35 jet, typically take years to work through.
Addressing a joint news conference after a meeting with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Trump also said the countries had struck an agreement that includes India importing more U.S. oil and gas to shrink the trade deficit between the two countries.

  • US will raise military sales to India by many billions of dollars, Trump says
  • Trump’s F-35 offer still a proposal, Indian official says
  • F-35 purchase process has not started yet, Indian official says
  • Any talks on F-35 sales will be between governments, Lockheed Martin says
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Part of me really wants India to take F-35 but I am almost sure India will start being arm twisting in many regional and geo-politics.

F-35 will give major boost To Air power.
But aage kua peeche khai.
 
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Double Standards? U.S. Treats S-400 Users Türkiye and India Very Differently on F-35 Sales - Defence Security Asia

Few things expose the United States' blatant "Double Standards" more than its decision to offer the cutting-edge, fifth-generation F-35 Lightning II fighter jets to India."
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Just read that China has warned USA on trying to imbalance peace in name of China and so has Pakistan warned of creating major power imbalance by offering F-35 to India.

And now Turkey too.

If India busy F-35 ...these guys will be in difficult spot.
But let's see. I would still like India to say no unless India is getting a great deal.
 
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But let's see. I would still like India to say no unless India is getting a great deal.
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What makes you think we won't say no?

Doesn't matter who is running the country. Answer will be the same.

Did you know the Paks cannot use the F16's they have for offense missions? Only defense which means no crossing the LoC or any other of their borders. Which was proven the day after we struck Balakote.

Now if the Americans attach the same no offense clause for F35s then its a non starter. If we get something like the Israelis have then its different.

But remember one thing. If the Americans allow offense operations then we become their pointy spear. They would expect us to run offense operations against China regardless of whether China is threatening our interests. This means you get sucked into a regional conflict if American interests are threatened. And without being in any military alliance with the US.

Now can you see why we will refuse this F35 deal.
 
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so has Pakistan warned of creating major power imbalance by offering F-35 to India.
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Pakistan have enough money to work with all heavy weapons, but the country is economically in doldrums, citizens are infamous for their antics with life quality down the drain. International community have to consider this while giving money to them.
All the while they are using USA's F16, in cohort with China they are developing new fighter planes, one which crashed last week or so.
The irony in power imbalance talk by that country is beyond imagination. Only blame USA for this state of affairs.
 
We need few squadrons of F35 to keep good relations with US aand control PAK , and good amount of squadrons for border in the east to not break of ties with russia and they still have diplomatic influence in china. Russia is ready for TOT & make in india for su-57 . For AMCA we have open offers from safran & rolls royce new entrant for engines .If we are thinking of 6 gen .Than partnership with Europe/France .As they got a realization that America is not their evergreen friend.
 
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.If we are thinking of 6 gen .Than partnership with Europe/France .As they got a realization that America is not their evergreen friend.
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AMCA initially depends on engines from fighter jet manufacturing countries.
Unless we develop our own engines and powertrains, we will always be dependent on other powers.
This make thinking of Pak getting newly advance fighters from China.

USA is not giving F35 (which itself comes in different power capabilities) to even some of their own close allies, so this might be mere cajoling, actual delivery may never happen even if we bend backwards breaking. Once it happens, it will be a white elephant serving as fattening system for their weapon industry putting our own self reliance in jeopardy.
 
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AMCA initially depends on engines from fighter jet manufacturing countries.
Unless we develop our own engines and powertrains, we will always be dependent on other powers.

USA is not giving F35 to even some of their own close allies, so this might be mere cajoling, actual delivery may never happen even if we bend backwards breaking. Once it happens, it will be a white elephant serving as fattening system for their weapon industry.
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thats what i am saying for AMCA we need safran or rolls royce as both of them are ready for TOT ,the major problem with our kaveri jet engine is lack of benchmark thrust .

if you have TOT of SU-57 engines & either of RR or Safran than that's more than enough to build gen two engine indigeniously. Even initial ISRo rockets were russian designs. Radars stealth etc we would be able to indigenously develop it.
 
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thats what i am saying for AMCA we need safran or rolls royce as both of them are ready for TOT ,the major problem with our kaveri jet engine is lack of benchmark thrust .
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Fully agree with your view.
The thing is, advance fighter jet manufacturing countries are providers for those engines. Their primary interest will be to delay or stop Indians manufacturing own engines. Since if they sell engines, it will be impeding sale of their own fighter jets to India.
So considering the tough geo-political situation, this is a tight rope walking situation for India. Let us see how this plays out.
 
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Fully agree with your view.
The thing is, advance fighter jet manufacturing countries are providers for those engines. Their primary interest will be to delay or stop Indians manufacturing own engines. Since if they sell engines, it will be impeding sale of their own fighter jets to India.
So considering the tough geo-political situation, this is a tight rope walking situation for India. Let us see how this plays out.
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thats why i say get f-35 and get su-57 with tot .once check books are open uk and france will be forced to deliver and their policies will be independent of US
 
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thats why i say get f-35 and get su-57 with tot .once check books are open uk and france will be forced to deliver and their policies will be independent of US
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Good idea, but considering how tightly USA control F35, getting those fighter jets may also mean we compromise country's security and finance (maintenance is frigging expensive, will have to depend solely on their technicians and their whims) out to them. There is no guarantee on whether they will deliver it in right time with correct built and accessories.
Buying Su-57 at this outset is also a disadvantage unless they transfer entire know how to us. Tight spot indeed.
 
TEUser2K1 said:
Good idea, but considering how tightly USA control F35, getting those fighter jets may also mean we compromise country's security and finance (maintenance is frigging expensive, will have to depend solely on their technicians and their whims) out to them. There is no guarantee on whether they will deliver it in right time with correct built and accessories.
Buying Su-57 at this outset is also a disadvantage unless they transfer entire know how to us. Tight spot indeed.
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India wont go for under construction .India will go for ready possession .something that we did for rafale
 
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priyeshbhawsar15 said:
but anyone has any idea why india can't manufacture it themselves?
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As with chip manufacturing, etc. this requires high end research in all levels, further high end designing requires dark art level expertise.
See how many engineers are recruited in fields other than in IT (that too only in low end service jobs), their quality, expertise and further training provided during the job.
Our engineering, R&D levels needs to escalate several fold.
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