ATI X1xxx Series News

[Switch]

One thing you all can be sure of… There will be none available in India … On a serious note that is one move which i really want from ATI…

[Blade_Runner]

@Switch

One thing you all can be sure of… There will be none available in India … On a serious note that is one move which i really want from ATI…

One word for ya: Sapphire…
Neways Asus, gigabyte and powercolor as well club will be bringing in the latest lineup.

[Chaos]

@rahul

was about to post that chaos … u r fast … anyways i think ATi is again screwing things up … i willll be happy with 24pipes rather than 512MB of ram …

The 7800GTX also has 16 real pipes that can do raster ops. It has 24 shader pipes. So finally if its raster op limited (very few things are), then it’ll behave like a 16pipe card. There is this interesting thread at beyond3d discussing graphics pipes. check it out if u wanna more.

[Blade_Runner]

Uggh ! Vrzone is reporting some different specs !

Radeon X1800 (R520) Series

â–ª X1800 XT Crossfire Edition : 24 pipelines, 10vs, 650MHz core, 1400MHz memory, Composition Engine

â–ª X1800 XT : 24 pipelines, 10vs, 650MHz core, 1400MHz memory

â–ª X1800 Pro : 16 pipelines, 550MHz core, 1250MHz memory

â–ª X1800 XL : 16 pipelines, 500MHz core, 1000MHz memory

â–ª X1800 LE : 12 pipelines, 450MHz core, 900MHz memory

Too much confusion over the specs

[Rahul]

see some bench marks HERE

but one person wrote on overclockers forum

Just spoken to ATI and they claim these benchmarks aint real as the only samples out there at the moment are X1800 XL’s, they have not released any X1800 XT’s to the press yet.

So take these benchmarks with a pinch of salt…

[Aditya]

Hmm, maybe so. I think ATi is just bluffing. The XT will match up to the 7800 GTX for sure. So thats really an XT not an XL.

[Shripad]

The engg samples released by ATI are very select few and ATI knows where they are

This is POS what hardware analysis has. They did exact similar thing with GF6 series and ATI X8XX series. These are their so called calculated FPS nos.

It takes 7800GTX as standard. Then they apply mathamatical formula on speculated specifications of the R520s and thats how they come up with these numbers

And they are not. they dont have the card on which they have performed the benchmarkes and got the results. its just mathamatical calculation by them. really lame representation.

They were off by 30-40% when they did similar thing with GF6 and X8XX series.

P.S. ATI has released the X1800XT grade chips quiet a while ago to the select few testers that are under strict NDA. None is ever released to press. They avoid that delibrately.

ATI did not like what they were posting so they cut them off from and they do this for revange or negative publicity. Thats all about it. No screenies, no pics, noone will believe them.

[Shripad]

Update:

This is what ATI replied to the press.

I got this answer back from ATI:

“Fiction. I don’t believe these numbers were ever run on a 520”.

EDIT:

2nd reply from ATI regarding this.

Second response from ATI just came in:

“This is a complete hoax - done with an OC’d X850, we think. Call our partners yourself and ask if they have R520XTs in house. The numbers aren’t even close.”

[Blade_Runner]

Radeon X1300, RV515 available in droves

ATI IS preparing to have some massive quantities of its entry level sub $100 cards at launch. It’s a Shader Model 3.0 for decent money and it’s a four pipeline part.

When we say massive availability, we are talking about hundreds of thousands of cards available at launch. Those cards are already with customers, OEMs and SIs so things are starting to look good for ATI.

ATI is preparing to start selling these cards. ATI is fine in this low end segment as it’s selling its AGP parts such as 9250 and 9550 like crazy. Sales of X300 and X300SE are good as well but Nvidia had a stronger position in the 6600 and faster market.

Now ATI has X800GT and X800GTO to fight Nvidia and this segment and will have more than ten R5xx based cards to fight its green competition.

And as we predicted many moons ago, ATI will start preaching that it always knew that Shader Model 3.0 was good but the world was not right for it, and that timing is perfect now. How convenient! µ

Source

[Aditya]

@Blade_Runner

Radeon X1300, RV515 available in droves

Source

Haha, nice article..

[Chaos]

The hardware analysis article is pure FUD. They don’t have any cards. Its a typical cry baby attitude for being left out of the NDA bound reviewers.

[stormblast]

the x1800xt having 16 pipelines compared to 20 for 7800gt & 24 for 7800gtx i surely feel this will make some diff. in the games coming in near future.
also with q4 & enemy territory releasing soon which are both on the doom3 engine might have an advantage for nvidia.

anyways only time will say how good x1800xt is compared to the gtx.

& what funky wrote was exactly right. the thing ati did before the release of x8xx series with those mathematical calculations & saying that x800xt is so much better etc really backfired on them when the card released. before the x800xt releases, in the benchmarks it showed nearly 40 - 50% better performance than a 6800 ultra which wasnt true.
& aces this is the reason y i thought ati x800 series would be great but it wasnt.

anyways i hope nvidia remains better since i am getting my 7800gt next month otherwise ill have to think bout the x18xx series.

[Blade_Runner]

@stormblast

& what funky wrote was exactly right. the thing ati did before the release of x8xx series with those mathematical calculations & saying that x800xt is so much better etc really backfired on them when the card released. before the x800xt releases, in the benchmarks it showed nearly 40 - 50% better performance than a 6800 ultra which wasnt true.

& aces this is the reason y i thought ati x800 series would be great but it wasnt.

Hehe and you posted exactly the opposite of what funky posted. Funky posted abt the Site being FUD. The site had screwed x800 series numbers b4 launch as well. Apparently Mr Sander Sassen doesnt have a good relationship with ATi and people are calling BS on that article. Those are just a bunch of calculated numbers. No pics no nothing.

[bottle]

@Chaos

The hardware analysis article is pure FUD. They don’t have any cards. Its a typical cry baby attitude for being left out of the NDA bound reviewers.

are you talking about the crossfire article ? saw something where they said that the max resolution is 1600x1200 @ 60hz

edit:nvm you were talking about the benches. the article i saw was this

from rage 3d

http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?cat=75#newsid33828812

Earlier today I was given information regarding ATI’s upcoming Crossfire technology that, at first, I passed off as so ridiculous it couldn’t possibly be true. However, after having the information verified from several very reputable sources I’ve decided it would be a disservice to keep this information private.

As many are aware by now, ATI’s Crossfire technology uses an external link to connect the Master and Slave cards together (it’s sort of like a 3-headed dongle with DVI connectors at the ends). What’s not generally known is that the backbone for this setup is a Silicon Image SiL 1161 chip which is installed on the X8-series Master cards. The SiL 1161 is there to receive output passed over the external link from the Slave card in the Crossfire setup and pass it on to the Master card.

Sounds decent on paper and everything, but if you check out the specs for the 1161 on this page you will see that it is limited to single-link TMDS @ 165MHz. This means that the max 3D resolution for any X8-series Crossfire setup is 1600x1200 @ 60Hz. That means no high-res Crossfire gaming beyond 1600x1200, no 1600x1200 at a flicker free refresh rate, and no widescreen 1920x1200.

How can a technology so clearly aimed at enthusiast gamers have a limitation like this? High-resolution flicker free gaming is one of the primary benefits a multi-graphics setup like Crossfire should offer entusiasts but, somehow, ATI managed to mess that up completely.

[Chaos]

^^I meant the R520 review article. I read that too abt crossfire. Don’t know if its true… I doubt if ATI wold be so dumb

[Rahul]

Here’s an explanation from the article author detailing what exactly went on to get those benchmark results and his personal feelings towards ATI:

LINKY

[Chaos]

From driverheaven front page:

DIT: I feel its also important to mention ATI have stated Sander sent the following email after he wasnt invited to editors day, it might be an insight into his state of mind.

From: Sander Sassen - Hardware Analysis

[mailto sassen@hardwareanalysis.com]

Sent: 08 September 2005 09:39

To: Andrzej Bania

Subject: Re: Editors Day

So you’re telling me I’m not invited is that it? I feel an ATI column

coming

up, lets see if we can drop the stock price shall we?

Sander Sassen

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/

[Aditya]

So you’re telling me I’m not invited is that it? I feel an ATI column

coming

up, lets see if we can drop the stock price shall we?

Ahahahahaha!!!

[Shripad]

Link to what chaos posted.

http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=85118

[Aditya]

have had some experience with a R520 and I have to say I find the results somewhat suspect. I am not going to get into an “Nvidia V ATI” debacle, the current Nvidia 7800 hardware is first class and has received a heavenly hardware gold award on Driverheaven, the issue at hand are the methods it appears some sites are getting their “results” of unreleased hardware. The results at Hardwareanalysis are scores ive achieved with an overclocked X850XT PE and not a R520 graphics card. I can’t help feel with the context of the editorial is it merely a “stab” at ATI for being kept out of the loop.

That sounds like 7800 GTx > r520 xl or xt whatever .