Continuing the discussion from Charlie Kirk death thoughts?:
I understand he was a pragmatic intellectual but I don’t understand how that translates into having any redeeming qualities.
All evidence points to his views being that of an incredibly narrow-minded individual.
Is it like how Hitler is revered by some Indians even though he was a literal enemy of humanity?
Godwin’s law! Let’s see if this goes anywhere.
This is my most favourite quote of 2025.
No filter is the best filter.
Looking forward to this conversation. Will add my contribution soon. Thanks for starting the thread.
Generally, even though I don’t agree with him on most things, I have been a conservative for as long as I have known, and a preacher of pro freedom of speech for like a decade. And that is mainly, why I followed his career trajectory and the work he did, is to see someone attempt to remove the hypocrisy and double standards that exist, on people speaking out in the open in the real world, and also the community guidelines that exist online, that recently have been biased to allow extremist liberal opinions to exist on the internet with no issues whatsoever, while even a slightly higher than moderate conservative opinion posted online will get the post removed or will get you banned, due to aforementioned community guidelines skewing towards in favour of liberals. The core idea being that a sort of realistic utopian world view of tomorrow, where people of different idealogies can co-exist, should generally involve the variable that you won’t be able to budge the opposite side into agreeing with you, and both opinions will have to co-exist, even though both parties might think that the other one’s opinion is ignorant and a bunch of other terms.
Winston Churchill , Joseph Stalin were no better probably even worst than Hitler.
If not heard of Bengal Famine brought by Winston Churchill. Please do read.
Japan Emperor and Generals have bloods in their hands of many Chinese and korean people also .
Anyways will leave that part of discussion as dont wish to derail the thread but jus that People forget the other leaders of those time were equally evil if not more than Hitler.
Except WinstonC, none of those are celebrated as good leaders.
Theirs is a fine line between freedom of speech and hate speech,guy was hateful and was actively campaigning and helping fascists to create their racist utopia
He supported and believed in violence and had a violent end.
This is a man who said children being gunned down is a small sacrifice for gun rights
The British are really good at that.
They were too smart to let history come back and haunt them.
Whether it is by dividing countries or by various other ways so that they are busy fighting among themselves and forget who the real enemy ever was .
( Israel-Palestine, India-Pakistan)
British have never even once apologize for Jallianwala Bagh , Bengal Famine and the list is long.
They designed commonwealth in such a way that it made all colonies still connect with British past very proudly.
( Stockholm syndrome )
They continued throwing bones (small aids after all the loot)
China keeps going after Japan reminding them of their crimes.
Poland keeps reminding Germany of their crimes.
And their voices are only getting stronger against them. In just last 2 days China and Japan are in serious diplomatic fight and China very strongly raised Japan’s past crimes.
But look at all those British colonies not a word. All forgotten.
Something about the British , I must say they deserved to rule . They had excellent brains to build an empire and rule over millions with just few thousands .
(My last post on this) Will not reply further .
pragmatic intellectual? more like a fucking retard, and his death is the biggest piece of irony I have ever seen lol
Part 2 ? Fireworks galore ?
Thread title sounds like a move sequel title where the plot of the movie is…he comes back from the dead or something and see’s his wife cozying up to another man and fireworks ensue 
how indians accultured themselved into caring this much about what goes on in USA is interesting, especially someone like kirk who wasn’t really a fan of Indians.
an hour on twitter is going to tell you a lot about where Indians stand, there’s no point in any Indian getting emotionally involved in usa politics, you’re hated by both wings, especially the right.
so just enjoy the memes while his wife goes wwe on stage as she accepts the “you hubby ded” award.
CK and his death is not about his hate of Indians or racism, for average person it should be about free speech and individual rights.
As for Indians not liked, memes, shaming, etc. you have to respond to those problematic people, not at a widow. That is underclass behavior.
Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences. If his “free speech” includes rhetoric that causes tangible harm to others, it’s only fair that he himself gets a taste of the harm he causes.
Well, he didn’t shoot anyone to death.
Free speech should be free from consequence, to benefit society as a whole, not some freak random whackos only.
Reminder that the person who gets someone to shoot is the primary culprit over the one who actually shoots. People like Charlie Kirk are among the primary instigators of mass shootings in the US. It just so happens it backfired on him once.
He advocated USA’s constitutional right, not to mass shoot anyone. You are not bringing in any good faith arguments.
Just like everyone use knives in kitchen and have right to do so, does not mean you have right to knife down people.
Nope! Free speech means that the government or state cannot stop you from saying something. But if your speech affects other people, then why should the government stop those people from taking action against you? The action itself might be punishable, but you cannot impede the right of people to take that action.
Also, and this might simply be a factor of my age, but is Andrew Tate, Charlie Kirk, and other such “interesting” personalities really that popular in India? Like popular as “thought leaders”. And how did this come to be? People are really getting into passionate discussions on this and the previous thread!
