Question is do they want to get into a game of chicken with Putin
Putinâs Russia is alone fighting many countries already. Putin must be under tremendous pressure already but that guy isa strong leader.
Looking at Operation Sindoor ..it can easily be understood how difficult it must be for Russia to alone take on so many countries with highly advanced weapons.
Atleast for us India we were luckily with mostly dealing with China and Turkey weaponsâŚPakistan ka toh khud ka sirf desi katha hai( they have only desi guns and some stolen nuke technology)
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Trump doesnât have the brains and Putin wonât give an inch. He has the oil
Not a question of incentive but ideology. The separatist movement in Donbas has been ongoing since Ukraine was formed and didnât suddenly require Russian invasion.
It is more about the fact that Russia sees much of the erstwhile Soviet territory as Russian and does not officially even recognise Ukraine.
The worst thing Ukraine did was give up the nuclear weapons, against a shaky western-led agreement, which is exactly what is happening again. Russia simply revokes agreements when it wants to.
Understatement of the thread 
According to this ideology what is next after the Donbas?
Getting the pink part was the original plan. That was added by the Soviets. Incidentally the most industrialised part of the country and the area that rejected joining the EU because it would mean losing a lot of that industry as condition to joining the EU. This is when the civil war begins around 2014.
Not quite there yet. The objective would be to add as much but at some point Putin will realise it isnât worth it and he has enough.
A buffer of sorts between Russia & the west. To me this is no different to why N.Korea exists and it was PRC making the buffer.
Why I donât understand you is the other areas added arenât ethnic Russian are they?
They didnât have the money to manage over two thousand nukes. There was no deal available where they could keep some.
There would be no war if Minsk2 was follwed but the west entered that in bad faith
That doesnât matter. This was the official article from Putin before the invasion.
yes and yes, but would they send a body double for such meetings⌠depends
USAâs b2 bomber along with few other fighter jets in the sky of alaska trying to show some dominance/power,
putin: i want captured parts of ukraine
trump: no deal
putin: lets meet in russia next time (said in english by putin, that was unexpected)
trump: (didnt give any certain answer but sure did hesitated)
~russia is in full mood of expansion.
also, remember when trump said if this meeting fails INDIA be ready for more tariffs.
yeah. about that, trump backed out.
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That article is Jun 2021. The invasion was Feb 2022 and he has spoken why he had to do it
What about your article? Where does Putin make the case for annexing ALL of Ukraine?
He talks about a common heritage because the present atmosphere has been engineered into being anti Russian
the determination of nationality, particularly in mixed families, is the right of every individual, free to make his or her own choice.
But the fact is that the situation in Ukraine today is completely different because it involves a forced change of identity. And the most despicable thing is that the Russians in Ukraine are being forced not only to deny their roots, generations of their ancestors but also to believe that Russia is their enemy.
So he accepts Ukraineâs sovereignty but that canât come when they go after ethnic Russians in the Donbas. He watched this circus for eight years since 2014 and then acted to defend these people in the Donbas.
I am becoming more and more convinced of this: Kiev simply does not need Donbas. Why? Because, firstly, the inhabitants of these regions will never accept the order that they have tried and are trying to impose by force, blockade and threats. And secondly, the outcome of both Minskâ1 and Minskâ2 which give a real chance to peacefully restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine by coming to an agreement directly with the DPR and LPR with Russia, Germany and France as mediators, contradicts the entire logic of the anti-Russia project. And it can only be sustained by the constant cultivation of the image of an internal and external enemy. And I would add â under the protection and control of the Western powers.
Here he is making the case to annex the Donbas by saying Ukraine doesnât need it and the people wonât accept the present Ukrainian government.
Itâs already done as the Russian parliament has already accepted the accession via a public plebiscite of the Donbas to Russia as happened in the Crimea
In the anti-Russia project, there is no place either for a sovereign Ukraine or for the political forces that are trying to defend its real independence. Those who talk about reconciliation in Ukrainian society, about dialogue, about finding a way out of the current impasse are labelled as âpro-Russianâ agents.
So long as Ukraine remains hostile to Russia it cannot expect to be left alone. That isnât a call to annex Ukraine but a statement of the present problem.
Russia is open to dialogue with Ukraine and ready to discuss the most complex issues. But it is important for us to understand that our partner is defending its national interests but not serving someone elseâs, and is not a tool in someone elseâs hands to fight against us.
Same thing
I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.
Donât be anti Russia and Ukraine can have its sovereignty.
The whole article alluding to the Ancient Rus and Old Russian language is the typical justification used by any invading force, much like what China uses to justify territory.
You donât need to read between the lines to understand what his ambition his. It is not a coincidence that he prefers to be seen as the modern day Peter the Great, as the great unifier of Russia.
It is quite simple that if Russia keeps occupying Ukraine village by village, they are not going to call it off after Donbas oblast is occupied. In fact, the initial idea was to capture Kiev in a blitzkrieg, to have complete control over Ukraine, though Russia goofed up very badly in the initial days of the war.
At the end of the day, this war has been profitable for the US and Russia. None of them care about Ukraine anyway.
No country fight a war over something they donât care about. US care very much about Ukraineâs location next to Russia (at least till Trump 2nd term who seem to care more about Ukraineâs mineral wealth) & Russia care very much about it for the same reason.
On Monday Zelensky and EU leaders are going to meet Trump.
Chinaâs argument is irredentist. What Putin is doing by evoking historical ties is countering the anti Russian sentiment that has been artifucally inflamed by interested parties. If you understand that then it becomes clear. Thatâs all I read into it.
Now this term âinvading forceâ bears further examination. Just how big was it? What was it good for?
Hitler invaded Poland with 1.5m troops. THAT is an occupying size force and Poland is smaller.
Figures Iâve seen put the Russians at 200k more or less. That number hasnât increased. Itâs barely enough to hold whatever they have taken. So Russia has not to date shown an interest in occupying more.
Does anyone really know what is in Putinâs mind? The same people seem to know whatâs in Trumpâs mind too.
Very easy to debunk this âPeter the greatâ line. It only appears post 2014. Putin had been around fourteen years prior and was never called that. Heh
Putinâs brought Russia back from the brink over the course of twenty years and for that he deserves a lot of credit.
Is that unifying Russia or just fixing it. From the time when the mafia was caling the shots, 40% of Russians under the poverty line because the soviet union collapsed, tens of millions of Russians find themselves living outside Russia and they have a drunk for president. Itâs very lucky he didnât interfere when Putin was proposed as a potential successor.
What Putin has done when he did it wouldnât be feasible ten years hence. What Putin is doing is trying to get fifty years of peace with Ukraine simply because enough of their men of military age will be taken out that they wonât have the manpower to threaten Russia for a generation or two. That is what demilitarise really means and is a Russian objective along with de-radicalisation
Why would they want to rule over a hostile public? Whatâs in it for them. They could have taken out Zelensky at any time. What for. Any replacement wouldnât have credibility.
The whole ploy of going for Kiev was to get them to capitulate with as few shots fired as possible. Then the Israelis & Turks tried to work out a deal which would have ended the war a mere month after the conflict began but Boris Johnson put paid to that.
Why try for peace for eight years with the minsk accords. How does this demonstrate an expansionist intent.
Russia always has a frozen conflict policy across all its borders as a buffer against the west. They were doing the same with the separatist forces in Donetsk and Luhansk, so the question is why the sudden need to expand the region of frozen conflict. There is no guarantee that the ethnic Russian argument will hold up once the entirety of Donbas oblast is captured, and expansionist policy will creep in.
The Russian demand for NATO to pull back their forces and installation to 1997 position is perhaps going to be the biggest point of contention. Russia sees both EU and NATO as a threat so it is also a question of whether both the parties can make huge concessions to their relative positioning.
No one really knows but again logical speculation dictates that Russia might have to give up occupying Donbas completely, Ukraine will have to completely give up EU/NATO ambitions and NATO will have to pull back their military installations behind Eastern Europe, to reach an agreement.
Trump Jokes About Canceling Elections in Wartime
Source: https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/wartime-elections-donald-trump/2025/08/18/id/1222946/
News: âSerial Killer jokes about killing his next targetâ
Media is legitimising every transgression of a dictator with humouring every atrocious remark as a mere joke.
There is no war in USA. But we now know, he will create a war, if need be, to cancel election.
Yes, this is what he intends to do. Create war and cancel the elections so simple right?
'Cancelling Elections' Isnât a Joke, Itâs a Fucking Warning of Things To Come