Rubio must be laughing inside. The old idiot doesn’t even know what ‘our’ means.
An example of modern day slavery is immigrant workers in the middle east. Or your nearest Rameshwaram Cafe.
An example of modern day plundering is Iraq. The US will drain the world dry of oil to preserve their way of life — with no regards to what happens to Iraq or the Iraqis.
It’s literally what the British did to India but now both sides are wearing suits instead of just one side.
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Iraq saw 0.079% growth in GDP in the last two years for an economy that is 90% oil exports. Make it make sense.
That’ll be Venezuela’s future now.
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I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Trump has definitely played a role in the NSS
That is an assertion without any basis
No plundering went on during the Iraq war.
They do quite well with fracking domestically which is a godsend. It’s like they went offline.
Have you seen the rank the US holds as a producer of late
Iraqis are going to have to learn how to budget.
I’m sure the rest of us are going to welcome lower oil prices thanks to sanctions being lifted in Venezuela and hopefully Iran. And once settled with Russia even further.
No, not at all a valid comparison
WHO has been protecting the flow of oil out of there for the last half century? The US FCUKING NAVY
Hmmm…Matlab Upar agar Bhagwan hai toh neeche USA Fcuking Navy hai.
ab samajha kaun bacha reha hai hum log ko … ( Now I know Who is the real protectors on Earth)
That means If God is Protecting us from above… USA Fcuking Navy is protecting us on Earth.
Sahi hai bhai. galti hogaya ( My bad sorry)
I am sure he has. His family and friends will prob even receive a cut. But my original point still stands.
From a prominent catholic ideologue E M Jones
“After escaping impeachment, lawfare, and assassination, Trump has shown that he is the man appointed by providence to preside over the demise of the American Empire.”
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I wanted to make a larger point
I see comments by people here saying Trump is clueless and that he has no plan
Anyone who thinks he hasn’t got a plan or an idea of how to go from a to b on to z is an idiot (!)
Obviously he’s not going to show his cards. For watchers to note what he has done, what he says and then a picture starts to emerge
China is Angry …only country I feel that can stand up to USA on this particular incident atleast diplomatically.
I’m expecting China to make some serious move on Taiwan soon.
That I agree.
The question is, who will it benefit in the long run? Catholics or WASPs? Both are making their moves and my assertion is that catholics are playing the game better.
America is sandwiched between two catholic dominated countries, Mexico and Canada, and they are losing their states one by one. California, which gave USA two of its most iconic presidents in recent times (Nixon and Reagan) hasn’t had a WASP governor in this century. The mexican immigrants have overwhelmed the political system.
So while this attack on VZ might seem like a move by Trump’s WASP and jewish friends to grab more wealth, it might just be a more sinister move by Rubio to make America dependent on catholics for its energy needs.
See above. That is modern day plundering. Bleeding a nation dry while stagnating its growth.
There are no real answers as to what happened to that or any other seizure by US forces. That is actual plundering, but not relevant to what I was saying.
It’s been two decades, it’s never going to happen. Oil will be always priced lower than what the Iraqis need it to be at for them to be prosperous. They have no control.
Pretty sure their GDP growth is above zero.
The fact is that the US has poisoned hands when it comes to foreign intervention. Wherever they go, they bring with them a curse upon the people.
There’s absolutely no historical example of the US doing anything good for a foreign populace so it’s going to take a metric ton of hopium for anyone to expect something good for the Venezuelans out of this.
I’d love to be proven wrong. I really do.
Maybe Trump’s ineptitude will work out in a way the US doesn’t expect. Maybe they’ll fumble and international pressure would restore Venezuela’s sovereignty and the only thing different is that Maduro’s replacement would be less like Maduro.
We’ll need to see a fumble like Four Season’s Landscaping.
It’s happened before, it might happen again.
I like your optimism even though I question the bubble you’re in. Maybe something good will happen.
Forty Venezuelans have already died on day 1.
Let’s hope.
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Why isn’t this the fault of the Iraqi government. As in the entity that makes policy passes laws.
Sounds like a robbery that the US apprehended which means the gold went back to the provisional government
How is that not a problem for every oil producing country and what are they doing to deal with it
I asked for the rank the US holds as producer since you were going on about US consuming all the oil
Vague terms like ‘poisoned hands’ and ‘curse’ are meaning less.
I supported this intervention and it was a success. Pointless to argue about it after the fact. You would be better served understanding why it was necessary. Because there are two others that have the same motivations as will future interventions.
Assisted economies after war like Germany, Japan and South Korea. How did those three end up
Why don’t you track progress on some interval instead of being a fortune teller.
It would take years though to see progress. Twenty five years of mismanagement does not get fixed easily
And there was no Trump ineptitude here on the contrary. He led an incredibly successful operation and deserves full credit for pulling the trigger.
US record of success in the Americas over the last half century is chequered. This operation could have gone wrong in countless ways. Politicians don’t like risk so it’s remarkable he greenlighted this op. Speaks volumes of his appetite for risk. A very hard guy to deal with.
I’m a realist comes from realism and don’t live in a bubble. I understand these topics better than anyone on this board having spent over a decade on a def board with ex NATO personnel discussing these things
Being an ex New Yorker I don’t have an anti-US agenda.
I don’t know how Venezuela will turn out. I expected the nobel prize winner to take over but alas
Now what…
US killed atleast 200,000 - 500,000 or more civilian Iraqis you sadist !
You don’t even know the imperatives of the war do you
So quoting numbers like you have means squat
I support both atomic bombs in WW2 too
I understand how military thinks about this. You don’t.
from venezuelans “all across the world”
Exactly, but not from venezuela. Do you really want to go band for band over this because for every exiled parasite class venezuelan I can show you 100 working class venezuelans angry over Maduro’s kidnapping.
Although again, if videos of people cheering for or protesting against is to become the basis of all your arguments you’re not mature enough to be in this conversation.
Atleast I am not a sadist and condemns all form of political violence, unlike people like you who supports some political violence while condemning which you oppose.
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Thats very much possible. But given the circumstances they are under maduro, its quite possible that they’d be happier.
Sounds like what maduro used to do. So they’re used to it by this point.
I’m pretty sure venezuela is also in this world.
I’m sure you can show me hundreds of flat earthers, scientology believers, etc, as well. Doesn’t mean that I or the rest of the world should validate them.
Sure buddy 
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Some day karma will bite them. Trump basically did a 180 on virtually most campaign promises. Elon also did a 180, knowingly reposting fake AI generated videos of Venezuelans celebrating along with US media. The fact is even the opposition party to Nicolas Maduro is on the streets protesting. Just like in Russia where even Putins staunchest opposition in Russian Duma is unified when it comes to Ukraine being a Nato country as a redline.
You have to be a sell out who sold is sole to satan to allow other countries to steal your resources.
The democrats are also neck deep in regime change wars, unlike Trump they are discrete.
It would be fun watching US taking greenland and Nato disintegrating in real time.
Since the biggest joke on planet is internatinal law, might as well show middle finger to US patents/IP and develop fast like china.
