After Venezuela, Trump Offers Hints About What Could Be Next
President Trumpâs comments about Greenland, Colombia and Cuba offered a glimpse of how emboldened he feels after the quick capture of NicolĂĄs Maduro.
So applies to every arab country that needed western oil companies to develop a natural resource?
Stop posting this leftie garbage. I grew up in an oil producing country. Nobody sold their soul. Nothing was stolen. There are agreements which if not adhered not come with penalties. Guess what no arabs had no problems
And I donât mean what Trump did. Though its conceivable Bush could have done the same without Iraq or Afghanistan wars
Why donât you blame Chavez for ripping off American companies that invested billions. FAFO!
Its not just the oil companies. Every foreign company with assets was nationalised. What shall we call this. Looting? Theft? What is the correct term.
They went the courts route. Concluded in 2006.
If this was done to Indian companies Iâm sure there would be different tune being played
Thatâs what many has been trying to make a point - That America is a bully and acts as Worldâs Police and Judge.
they have made it very difficult for nationâs to take their own decisions in their own interest.
But you seem to denying to accept this as act of bully and instead calling it act of saving the world.
India has been asking for Dawood since decades now, Hafiz Saeed since decades now, Vijay Mallya , Nirav Modi , lalti modi too.
If India goes and do something like this , Will this same USA support us? you very well know they wont and then even bring international law and sovereignty of Pakistan or Bangladesh.
The Chinese are reacting it very strongly.
Lets see where this goes from here.
Because Russia is in no position to talk much against it.
India always has copy paste reply for everything " Deeply concerned and we support peaceful resolution"
If this is not condemn heavily today.
International law = USA Law.
So if countries want to snatch Greenland, does that mean long term they actually want global warming for their own self interest ? Maybe that also explains the denials and reversals. Man is great.
If large scale mining in greenland happens it will certainly accelerate the melting of ice sheets in the north pole and will result in sea level rise quite fast.
According to official data by 2050 sea level rise will 1 foot everywhere and this mining will further accelerate it. By 2100 it will be 2.3 feet.
While non alignment might offer more room to manouever in some cases. You are seeing the limitations of this strategy depends on the geopolitical situation and who is in the white house. Doesnât mean we discard it.
But you canât have your cake and eat it. Or expect to win all the time and thatâs ok. Progress requires compromise. Iâve no doubt the government knows this. If you notice their reaction has been non confrontational.
Caught between domestic interests and Trump. Same problem everywhere.
Iâm not denying it. I accept it as a necessary evil. I gave you the example of oil supply.
How much do we pay for American navy protection of oil supply? Zero
Iraq war was important because the most likely interruption to oil supply would be from Saddam. We saw what he did in Gulf war 1. I have family that lived through it. They told me some women would put black on their face and mess up their hair to look ugly because they were afraid Iraqi soldiers might rape them.
In other words taking out Saddam ensured reliable oil supply into the future. For Asia. For India.
How many Indian soldiers fought and died in Iraq? Zero
Iâm not saying we have to pay. Itâs a benefit to all that comes from Americans playing world police. They took up this role in the 50s. Free trade for all. The start of globalisation. No blocs. Free to trade with anyone you want. This created an era of unparalleled prosperity that humanity has ever seen. Not possible to bring almost two billion Indians and Chinese out of poverty otherwise.
Hence we grew up in an US ordered world and our standard of living depends on the Americans continuing this role.
All those mocking this explanation cannot offer any counters. They can only disagree for ideological reasons.
Germany, Korea, Japan, China only grew because they were assisted by the Americans.
India got no support. We got sanctioned. Still we grew. This is why Iâve said Indian growth is unstoppable. But it does not come for free. You cannot alienate the Americans as we used to in the past and continue to grow.
Right now China is in a mess. Russia is at war. The Middle east is a mess. The Americans are sorting out their neighbourhood.
We are sitting quietly and growing. This has to continue without interruptions. China quietly grew from â95 toâ 15. Kept its mouth shut. India needs the same quiet period to grow.
lets also not forget the price we have paid to live under US bullying.
Our Space Technology was pushed backed twice by Americans ( both in early 1960s) and in late 1980s ( Cryogenic engine)
Our Nuclear Test were delayed by many decades thanks to American sanctions and even some say Killing of our nuclear scientist Homi Bhabha( if some reports are believed even ones from Ex-CIA officials.
India could have easily become a nuclear weapon nation by 1960s just along with China.
Our Nuclear Energy was delayed( A major requirement to progress as a developing Nation)
They have pushed us several decades behind and ofcourse our own Politicians incompetency to add to it.
The world we living in today has changed a lot .Because the very order you talking about is no longer there.
and the Americans themselves are threatening this order by repeatedly doing everything against the order they laid foundation for like UN? International laws? CTBT? NPT? Not weaponizing space/
Whose starting to weaponizing space now?
If today this order is not challenged. US will grow bolder and bolder.
A world without USA not being the World police might give UN actual powers it was meant to have.
UN had a purpose right? it was meant to be the World Police and Judge.
today it has become a complete joke. Who is responsible for failure of UN ? it is mostly USA .
Had US respected UN and giving it to function properly and fairly. World would have been at much better place today.
I understand that US leading the world after WW2 bought a long time peace( atleast for most part of the world) and order but again this very order is no longer working for them.
So they have kicked it out since long time and now ready to come out showing its true face.
A war mongering country with immense power and money and ready to tell the world what to do and what not to do.
This very act will now push entire world to justify having Nuclear Weapons.
For first time Japan is planning to start having nuclear weapons.
Yes this is the price you pay to get into the big boys club
No, not decades. Narasimha was going to do it anyway but lost the election
Clinton made the NPT apply in perpetuity in 1995 so a second test was a matter of time after that.
That is a complex set of charges. What is the basis
UN Iâve addressed below
International laws is a very broad subject. Specifics?
NPT is fine
CTBT, US last tested in '92. What is your point?
Space Iâve addressed
Some one else would do it
I donât understand why you object when India played the same regional police role before the US by keeping the peace from the Suez to Singapore for 150 years upto WW2.
So US role is global but only half as long as India
You do not get an ocean named after you for being cute. It is called Indian ocean. For them only gulf of America
I have often told Americans when their country was found it was like unplanned pregnancy and the only reason their country was found was in search of India.
Itâs still there and the reason is there is no ready replacement. If not USN then who?
But Trump wants to change the way things are done and this needs careful study as to where we stand. Iâm optimistic because in a might is right world we are big enough
Article 7 resolution gives use of force but is not used these days. So police turns into observer and useless one at that.
Judge still works and is through security council
China.
US is reacting to that
See how China is portrayed. Not aggressive but very very capable which of course is dual purpose
Not US. China and other irresponsible partners.
US still pays majority share of UN budget. To the point Trump has wanted to reduce budget and pull out because the UN has become hostile to the US.
Chinaâs paying majority share of WHO is why world had to suffer from covid.
Show me where US has not respected UN and impeded its functions.
Cutting funding is not impeding functions
There are multiple reasons for UN performance and its not all down to the US
Correct so Trump wants to change it. To what.
Instead of post WW2. Think 1815 - 1914. Gunboat diomacy. Might is right. Spheres of influence. While we had wars post WW2 we didnât have any big ones. Same with that 19th-2014 era
Hmm, so we know this 19th century era behaviour already because we were active in that era being the bully of the region. The region is the Indian ocean. China cannot challenge us in this Ocean. That is why it is called 2.5 front. There is no threat to us from the Ocean.
So in such a future world India will not be the loser
With Venezuela, Trump has said any leader that sponsors terrror against the US can be apprehended and brought state side to face justice.
So any party determined responsible for terror against India can now face the same consequences?
We will either go into their country or engage proxies to kidnap them and bring them to us
Very interesting
Give some examples
Iâve advocated many times that either you shape your environment or it shapes you
India must have the means to screw with each and every one of our neighbors in the interests of national security.
If like Trump is doing in the Americas we could also either cajole or coerce our neighbors into alignment with our interests then the neighbourhood becomes more manageable and safer. That equates to more prosperity for all.
During the British era all neighbouring countries were like that. Oriented towards India. We were the mothership. But after independence there were multiple fractures. Forget Pakistan. Our performance with others has also been weak. If you look at timezones you will see what a joke it has become. From Karachi to Bangkok, count how many time zones there are and understand that the purpose is to be not in sync with India.
No, after Iranâs nuclear program has been dealt with the world understands that the NPT is still legit and cheaters will be dealt with
US nukes defend Japan.
Japan can go nuclear within 90 days if needed. There is no need at present.