Even our IAF Chief is frustrated with our own industry.
How will other countries give us orders when we are so behind in our own requirements.
This Chalta hai attitude is no longer India or Indians can afford anymore.
‘Tech delayed is tech denied’ -IAF Chief
- Thread starter solo_wing
- Start date
Even our IAF Chief is frustrated with our own industry.
How will other countries give us orders when we are so behind in our own requirements.
This Chalta hai attitude is no longer India or Indians can afford anymore.
GE could have been penalized . India was going to take measure to fine them but then I heard govt. backed off. Maybe due to pressure from USA.
This is why we are so badly stuck between Russians and Americans. Both have some issues or the other to deal with.
This puts our ambitions almost decades behind. Had this been delivered in time . India could have focused on 5th Generation more and probably delivered that in time too. One delay makes all projects fall behind.
So many decades of delays and neglect in RnD is going to take a miracle to catch up.
Last I heard while watching Chanakya Dialogues on YT, that GE would be fined for delays plus some more additional charges.
The problem with our ambitions lies with them solely dependent on others for materials. Why can't we make our own engines? There's a ton of rocket companies now with space sector opened up to private players. We could have the same defence sector opened to private players to make our own engines. Govt should have thought 20-30 years ahead while making ambitious plans. But everything is done by HAL, DRDO and 1-2 govt companies, so everything is delayed. Then we blame everyone except ourselves.
We don't need Tejas. Just sprinkle some goumutra at China.
All this is possible when people running have vision for next 20-30 years for their country.
We have 5 years of planning and execution.
Our political parties don't want others to take credit for their work and beside as mentioned...there is a very strong reason for them to continue procuring weapons from abroad as they can manage huge cuts out of it.
However, as much as I bash this current govt. I must also admit that it taking some right measures to develop India's own defence industry.
Only issues is their way of working is same mentality...slow and not taking decisions at right time.
They may have a better vision but their way of working is same as previous govt.
I was reading that Japan has copied their fighter jet from F-16 .
Chinese have been doing same with Soviets.
So why is India so hellbound to completely do it's own thing. Just copy it for now and then on the side keep building a more advanced fighter.
Tejas is fourth generation ...why invest so much time and energy on 4th generation. When you known it will at most see a decade of Defence life within our borders because both Pakistan and China already moving to more advanced jets...infact even Bangladesh might be procuring some advanced jets from a China.
At most Tejas will only be used to export to smaller and less powerful nations sooner than later .
No one will buy it if it's not even produced.
You managed to answer your own question with this
plus we give some sort of high importance on not copying IP or anything from others and want to reinvent everything from scratch. We love to sit on a high horse of being smart but look stupid.
We should have copied everything like China copied everything but our companies only love to license everything if they get their hands on stuff. We would have learnt a lot more just by reverse engineering stuff.
Party Monger
Juggernaut
China has reverse engineered most of US and Russia fighters including latest gen)(or maybe that's propaganda), but here we are, we can't even create an engine or reverse engineer it for the last 40yrs. That's crazy incompetence. They definitely need private sector in this but then there's only one private player in India who gets everything and i don't think ad@ni uncle knows or has the sophistication to learn & impliment complex technologies and manufacturing. So atleast till 2029 don't expect anything to change.
Defence technology is some serious engineering and requires years of RnD and lot of money into fail projects before you get it right.
The number of fail projects from USA defence industry alone is enough to give an idea.
But they are also smart enough to make proper use of that RnD . Lot of civilian technology came from their defence technology.
As they have built that ecosystem that one failure can support others success.
As For Chinese they have become so good in reverse engineering that they feel that is a better approach then doing everything from scratch as it saves them time and money and plus keeps them ahead too from rival nations.
India defence industry remains without proper vision and approach.
BJP has different idea .Congress will come with different idea.
One step forward ...one step backward.
blr_p
Oracle
This question applies to China too. How is it with their copying, espionage, adequate resources, astute planning has China STILL not succeeded in making a jet engine that can compete with western jet engines or even Russian for that matter.
Short answer? Jet engines are very difficult to master.
See, making your own engines isn't enough until they can compete to some extent with that of the adversary.
I've said this before. Chinese jet engines need to be overhauled after 2000 hours of service. Western can last four times longer. On that basis alone the Chinese would need 4x the number of jets to just match the west. Four jets exceeding the cost of one equivalent western jet by a sizable margin. What good is it. Youcan show them for parades.
Incidentally that imbalance applies with us as well if we keep using imported jets. In addition the geography favours India massively over China when it comes to airforce.
That is provided we maintain our squadrons to the required strength.
Rockets are much easier in comparison to jet engines
Nobody will share jet engine tech with us unless we manage to buy it somehow.
Ah well look up the marut in the 60s where we had a former German jet designer working for us. Had that momentum been continued we'd have been in a better place but Alas.
Incidentally Israel also had an Tejas equivalent jet of their own. Americans saw to it that project went away.
There is a lot not being revealed here as to why there is this delay. For a number of reasons. It's never mentioned.
When I first heard about it ...I thought it could be a hoax story and went on to read about it .
Right after Independence to have our own Fighter jet almost ready ....what a great start it would have been.
This is the reason why people get more frustrated with the Govt.
Their silence is not helping their case .
It is a brilliant to have that skill. You not only save money and years of research. You also manage to sell and make money out of it.