Graphic Cards 5970 or 5850CF?

A 5850 can play Crysis at 1024x768 V High Dx 10 0x AA and a 5870 can do the same at 1280x1024 or 1440x900 I guess.

For 1680x1050 you will need at least a Geforce 480 and for HD rez you will need 5770 CF or 5970 or higher.

From what I read, Crysis 2 won't have higher system requirements than Crysis. But you can't be sure as of now.

If you want to play Crysis 2 at good settings then I recommend you to buy a 5870 or at least 5850 today and upgrade to a 6870 about 10-12 months down the line.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
^^ Actually Crysis performance is important because, more than a game, its a benchmark that pushes every component in the system to their limits. If a card can crysis with ease, its fair to assume that it can run everything else with ease till the time some developer manages to make a game more stressing than Crysis.
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More than Crysis, I think Metro 2033 can do a fairly better job at taxing any system. Makes up for a better benchmark IMO.
 
@rite, don't just post for the sake of posting. :no: Even my 4770 ( almost equivalent to 5750 ) can play Crysis very high @1280x1024 at ease.
 
@Lord Nemesis 4 slots? That's impossible for me. If that's the then I'd better go for a single card as I also use a sound card and going to add a WiFi card too. So, it finally comes down to 5970 or 5870.

Either buy a 5870 and maybe buy a 6xxx card later on or go for a 5970 now. To those who are suggesting GTX480, I'd rather use my 4890 than buy a toaster worth 30k.

@Happy Singh I don't think Phenom II 955 is that much of a bottleneck. It should do fine with 5970 or 5870 for that matter.
 
Desecrator said:
More than Crysis, I think Metro 2033 can do a fairly better job at taxing any system. Makes up for a better benchmark IMO.
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Yes I wanted to mention Metro 2033 as well. Its also a great benchmark to humiliate hardware. :p

abtom said:
@Lord Nemesis 4 slots? That's impossible for me. If that's the then I'd better go for a single card as I also use a sound card and going to add a WiFi card too. So, it finally comes down to 5970 or 5870.
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All mid to high cards these days have dual (some even triple) slot cooling solutions . So installing two cards means you will loose 4 slots. This is one of the most important advantages the 5970 has over conventional Crossfire. I have single slot 4850's and I still find it a bit cramped when I had to install my X Fi Champion sound card.
 
Can you please do me a favor by posting a benchmarks of Crysis with your setup at those settings with each and every setting at V High with Dx 10 and with absolutely no tweaking, 16x AF?

Please show that you get at least 50 FPS avg in the benchmark with the minimum around 30-35.

That is the roughly the minimum score I require in the benchmark to play the game the way its meant to be.

And at 1024x768 MAX no AA Dx 10 I get around 50-60 FPS avg and perhaps 30-40 as minimum.

At 1440x900 the avg comes down to barely 40 which is not too smooth, at least not for me. I require a minimum of around 40+ to 45-50 or so as average.

And even the fastest AMD CPUs will bottleneck even a 5850 for pure performance, no matter how much you overclock. A Core i7 is highly recommended, be it at stock.
 
If I had the money, I'd get the fastest solution available :p! You're looking at either the 5970 or 5870. Especially since you need your other slots. How's your board layout, btw? A wifi USB dongle can replace a card, so you'll be needing only one slot for your audio card. Depending on your layout, a CF might come back into the picture :p. Personally I think 2 dual slot cards are going to cramp up any space very fast so you better have a nice and spacious cabby with lots of airflow.

Edit: @post below, I think you can easily go for a 4850CF. You'd still have 2 PCIe+1 PCI slots for use. If it's gonna be one big purchase, get the 5970 or 4850 CF. Personally, I'd get a 5870 and get another if it's not enough in the near future (a year ?). As of now, it is enough for all games available. A single next gen game/ card might change the equation totally for the present gen scenario though nVidia has broken the tradition a bit...
 
Naga said:
If I had the money, I'd get the fastest solution available :p! You're looking at either the 5970 or 5870. Especially since you need your other slots. How's your board layout, btw? A wifi USB dongle can replace a card, so you'll be needing only one slot for your audio card. Depending on your layout, a CF might come back into the picture :p. Personally I think 2 dual slot cards are going to cramp up any space very fast so you better have a nice and spacious cabby with lots of airflow.
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This is his board :

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And he has already got a spacious cabby with good airflow (CM HAF 922), so that will not be an issue.
 
sabby said:
@rite, don't just post for the sake of posting. :no: Even my 4770 ( almost equivalent to 5750 ) can play Crysis very high @1280x1024 at ease.
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Yup. And for crysis,. even 30~35 fps is enough for a smooth gameplay, unlike some other games which needs 40+ for a smooth feel.

5850/5870 is enough for full HD. Now say> who want to play crysis at 16X AF and 12X AA ?

for a 22~24" screen with full hd , even 4X AF and 4X AA is enough. If you have lots of cash lying around, then you can get GTX 480 SLI or somethin and play on at 32X AF and 16X AA.
 
@ rite u are wrong mate. Even HD 4870 can play(35fps+) everything @ max settings on 1680 X 1050(8XAA). 16X Af is only for benching, I haven't noticed lot of difference between 8X and 16XAf.

5850+5850 is a good solution for playing @ 1920X 1080
 
Lord Nemesis, summed it up pretty well on the previous page.

2xHD5870 is the fastest set up available, and then you get HD5970 and then 2xHD5850. Of course the first option here is also the most expensive, so value lies with 2nd, and 3rd. I would go with HD5970.

1. Single PCI.Ex16 occuption. (PhysX card or another HD5970 in the future)

2. With a good cooling solution can be OC'ed to get great performance.

3. Internal Xfire, with less driver issues.

4. 2 less power connectors.

5. Less Hardware clutter in the cabinet (better cooling).

6. Handpicked chips.

My bet is clearly Hd5970.
 
asingh said:
Lord Nemesis, summed it up pretty well on the previous page.

2xHD5870 is the fastest set up available, and then you get HD5970 and then 2xHD5850. Of course the first option here is also the most expensive, so value lies with 2nd, and 3rd. I would go with HD5970.

1. Single PCI.Ex16 occuption. (PhysX card or another HD5970 in the future)
2. With a good cooling solution can be OC'ed to get great performance.
3. Internal Xfire, with less driver issues.
4. 2 less power connectors.
5. Less Hardware clutter in the cabinet (better cooling).
6. Handpicked chips.

My bet is clearly Hd5970.
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I agree..
Either way you look at it you are going to get some killer performance.
I have 2x 5870's and a 5970 that just arrived as well and i can say this much both are insane and border on overkill but i like overkill :p
I personally like the 5970 a little more because of the fact that 1 card runs a little cooler than 2 together in CF unless you have a gap in between them and i have less wiring to deal with.
All three combos are awesome.. take your pick. :)
Kind regards :)
 
^ Toolius what are the temps on your 5970 @ stock ?

Tell me the temps *if possible* when it is OC'd to 5870 speed.

I have a similar situation. But edging towards the 5850 CF due to their better OC ability and better cooling.
 
Hello :)

umm my 5970 at stock with fan set to 45% idles at 36-40 dec C with 24 Deg C ambient.

Gets up to 72-75 @ load and that's with the fan at 60 %.

Good airflow really keeps these cards cool. :)

Haven't overclocked it much as yet. But will report back with temps @ 850/1200 soon :)

kind regards
 
Judging by your ambient temps, you must be using an AC. Could you turn off the AC and then take them temps at 5870 speeds. :please:

Judging by the reviews, the 5850 CF setup will OC better and should have lower temps. After seeing Anand's review of the 5970, the temps are scaring me.

My main requirements are the damn temps since i will be OC'ing a lot and mostly without AC (the power situation is pathetic here, will run my rig on a 2KVA UPS :) ).

I ask too much, i know. :blushing:
 
You guys really need to know the fact that Minimum FPS on GTX480 is insanely high and closer to avearage FPS which makes it the best card. 5970 has worse scailing when compared to Nvidia multi GPU's so Minimum FPS is very bad on 5970. Best is to get 5870 or if really like to spend on money on power get 480.
 
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